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Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard (MB) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List

Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a MB has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's MBs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

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  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any MB link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an MB link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved MBs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their MB equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:36:43 AM

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#726: Jan 29th 2023 at 3:12:54 PM

I abstained on Nelson, so I'm leaning cut on him. I would like to see what ~Tyk 5919 has to say though (he EP'd her).

Keep Camila.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#727: Jan 30th 2023 at 2:22:27 PM

Keep Camila and Jung

Cut Nelson

Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#728: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:27:13 AM

I've rewatched "Once More, With Feeling" a few weeks ago and there might be issues bout Mr Sweet.

He basically abducts a 15 years old girl to forcibly marry him and shrugs off her protests even when she points out "this is not legal!". Sweet only retreats when it turns out Xander was the one who summoned him and Sweet doesn't want him as his queen.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#729: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:29:34 AM

I think we're okay with Sweet. His "have Dawn as his queen" is kind of played for comedy rather than being predatory. Nothing suggests Sweet wants to do anything inappropriate with her. Nor is he shown to engage in bigotry with Xander or anything. Just "Oh, hey, not my speed."

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#730: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:31:46 AM

Oh yeah, Sweet is 100% good. It's not played as predatory - it's just how the talisman works that whoever summons him is supposed to be his queen, he's not hunting after teenage girls. The bit with Xander is also not played in a bigoted way in the extended version - Xander just asks "does this mean I have to be your queen?" and he responds "I think we can waive that clause this time". It's all comedic.

Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#731: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:42:30 AM

Sweet sends his minions to abduct Dawn because he knows that she isn't going to follow him willingly. And he doesn't give a damn when she informs him of her age.

Now, I won't lose sleep if he's deemed to keep but the situation, comedy or not, is a bit too disturbing for me.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#732: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:44:13 AM

I think we'd need a bit more than a generic Bowser kidnapping Princess Peach situation to justify cutting him on those grounds

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#733: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:45:46 AM

He doesn't respond to her age because he's in the middle of a badass song and dance routine about how threatening he is, I really think it's a stretch in this case - especially cause this is not a show that hides away from actual rape threats, even against Dawn (see Razor from the first two episodes of that season)

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jan 31st 2023 at 10:46:11 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#734: Jan 31st 2023 at 11:07:43 AM

Oh hey so Season 3 of Miracle Workers now has its own page Miracle Workers: Oregon Trail so how about I update my entry for Trig to include the link to season 3

  • Miracle Workers: Oregon Trail: Trig is the adopted daughter of Benny the Teen who uses Benny to learn how to be a bandit before betraying Benny and striking out on her own. Becoming the most successful bandit in America, Trig and her crew hunt down Benny to collect the bounty on his head. When captured by Ezekiel's colony, Trig manipulates Todd Aberdeen into freeing her and betraying the colonists before they travel to Oregon. Upon arriving in Oregon, Trig arranges Todd to be governor, where she and her crew would commit crimes unpunished under Todd's incompetent rule. When confronted by Benny, Trig spares Benny when he surrenders and admits he's proud of her, with the two heading out in the sunset to carry on with their outlaw lifestyle.

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
ANonagon9 (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#736: Feb 1st 2023 at 11:06:45 AM

Cut Nelson

Any more discussion on Jung? I'm a little leery on the Yandere point, but haven't heard any counterarguments, which would presumably exist.

BuffaloBrandon17 Since: Nov, 2021
#737: Feb 2nd 2023 at 4:18:38 PM

I looked on the YMMV page of Happy Sugar Life and “Magnificent Bitch” was replaced by “Happy Sugar Life” which directed me back to the main page of the manga

BuffaloBrandon17 Since: Nov, 2021
#740: Feb 2nd 2023 at 4:39:30 PM

Also on Billy Butcher’s MB incarnation in The Boys Presents: Diabolical, the “Evil vs Evil” part confuses me, is the Evil vs Evil scenario supposed to be the Great Wide Wonder vs Ironcast? Because if so, I don’t think it is fits since they aren’t actively trying to off each other, their demises were just manipulated by Butcher. Or is it Butcher against the both of them? If that’s the case then I feel “Kick the Son of a Bitch” or “Pay Evil unto Evil” would fit more.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#741: Feb 2nd 2023 at 5:06:11 PM

I didn't pothole that version of Billy's entry, I'm fine with the swap there, as well as cutting Nelson.

Not familiar with Jung's work so I'll hear out the discussion.

Edited by 43110 on Feb 2nd 2023 at 8:06:59 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#742: Feb 3rd 2023 at 3:32:02 AM

But I already checked that scence personally which is the thing that was brought up? I even linked it here.

Like if people have any further issues we can deal with it than (Like I didnt find any indication of anything else happening before or afterwards just to cover all bases but hey I like k dramas so might watch the whole thing later).

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#743: Feb 3rd 2023 at 7:21:05 AM

Missed that, thanks mir, I think I'm fine with that clarified.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#744: Feb 4th 2023 at 3:32:45 PM

Does anyone want an expansion for Cronus (class of the titans) here too like on CM?

His current is perfectly fine but I can flesh it out more as the shows primary big bad over two seasons withh a cool scheme in nearly every episode

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#749: Feb 5th 2023 at 11:04:32 PM

Uhh…why is Teth-Adam in the B section for film and not in the DC Extended Universe tree?

TheWrongOne41 The Clown is in town (*he*/she/they) from Somewhere, Mexico Since: May, 2022 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
The Clown is in town (*he*/she/they)
#750: Feb 6th 2023 at 6:16:04 AM

[up]Woops, sorry about that.

Edited by TheWrongOne41 on Feb 6th 2023 at 6:18:19 AM

Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice. (also i'm fluid now)

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