Old Magnificent Bastard thread
Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard (MB) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List
Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a MB has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's MBs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
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- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any MB link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an MB link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved MBs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their MB equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:36:43 AM
Okay so tweaked the Parker family entry to focus on Ma Parker:
- "The Greatest Mother of Them All" & "Ma Parker": Ma Parker and her four adult children are an infamous outlaw family who have committed bold heists throughout the country without being caught. When they come to Gotham City, they have accomplices inflate the local prison as guards and inmates. They launch a crime wave designed to attract Batman's attention and cause him to arrest them, while acting like they're on the run and gamely resisting arrest. Upon being dropped off at prison, they have a trustee put a bomb in the Batmobile and take the warden prisoner while setting themselves up in a Luxury Prison Suite. They plan to use the prison as a hideout while committing robberies. When Batman and Robin survive the attempt on their lives, Ma decides to leave him alone so the more people he arrests, the more recruits their gang gets. When they capture Batman and Robin, they make sure to keep an eye on them so they have no chance to escape the trap and take their eventual defeat with remarkable grace, remaining a loving family even in jail.
- "The Greatest Mother of Them All" & "Ma Parker": Ma Parker is criminal mastermind who leads her outlaw family to committing bold heists throughout the country without being caught. Arriving in Gotham City, she has her accomplices infiltrate the local prison as guards and inmates. Launching a crime wave designed to attract Batman's attention, each of them get arrested in turn while he is oblivious that this is part of the plan. Upon being imprisoned, Ma has a trustee put a bomb in the Batmobile and takes the warden prisoner, while setting up a Luxury Prison Suite that Ma plans to use as a hideout to commit further robberies. Ma is content with Batman and Robin surviving, intending to recruit all of the criminals into their gang that Batman drops into the prison. Taking her eventual defeat with remarkable grace, Ma and her children remain a loving family even in jail.
Edited by Snowy66 on Sep 14th 2024 at 10:26:56 AM
I'll just reaffirm that Saltbaker's scheming phase ends with him crying his eyes out and that i really don't think his recovery doesn't help considering he isn't a bastard anymore. Like, it's indeed portrayed as an admirable Heel–Face Turn, but by that point he fails the "bastard" part of MB.
Yeah I'm sticking with the cut for Saltbaker, I really am failing to see a proper reason that Dood's point about him losing his bastardry by the time he becomes truly "magnificent" doesn't hold up. His villainous spree ends with a bad VB and he only "recovers" after a redemption.
Edited by Ravok on Sep 14th 2024 at 7:27:47 AM
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!Wet Flannels Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was testing his new abilities out.
Also, is there an official "Resolved Items" list for Magnificent Bastards? Or is it a bit more informal?
Here's my home address, social media, and bank account!
It's at the bottom of Magnificent Bastard (also linked in the header of the threads.
Keep Kira and Kars. Kars is a manipulator first (something he admits to) but he always seemed less cruel than Santana IMO. His breakdown is probably more subtle than Father Pucci (who's also a keep IMO) and the severity of his fate just shows how dangerous Ultimate Kars was. I also agree with Kira joining PMD Darkrai on Resolved Items (Kira's probably been brought up and kept more times than that Darkrai).
Abstain on Saltbaker.

About the squirrel thing, wasn't it him testing his power as the ultimate life form? He didn't declare all life to be pathetic or whatnot. Kars' planning and personality isn't why I don't think he's cut for the trope, it's his end.
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!