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Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard (MB) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List

Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a MB has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's MBs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any MB link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an MB link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved MBs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their MB equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:36:43 AM

jlvs200s from The Netherlands (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I miss my wife, Tails
#3551: May 18th 2024 at 3:11:27 AM

Cut Mr. Stick

I have already talked about this, but it went mostly ignored:

On MagnificentBastard.Super Sentai, shouldn't Kaguragi/Haichi-Ohger go above Rcules in the Ohsama Sentai King-Ohger tree given that the former is a member of the main hero team?

"The time has come for every last Shoppe... No! The time has come for the DREAM KINGDOM to bow down to me! Gotcha ! Hee-hee!" | He/Him
BriarBranwen Still. Not. Bitten. from Earth, or so I'm told. (Apprentice)
Still. Not. Bitten.
#3552: May 18th 2024 at 7:21:31 AM

Cut Stick.

LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime Raz (Season 2) Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
#3553: May 18th 2024 at 7:22:17 AM

[up] I don't see why not.

Cut Mr. Stick, shame too because I love Pizza Tower.

I don't want the world, I just want your half.
TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#3555: May 18th 2024 at 1:03:51 PM

I'm fine with that change to the Super Sentai page.

Reposting my suggestion from last page.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#3556: May 18th 2024 at 10:57:53 PM

Wasn't Hook from Hook cut a while back? He's still on the MB pages, the YMMV, and the Sandbox.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#3557: May 18th 2024 at 11:00:57 PM

[up]Yeah I remember him being cut.

I also remember Luke from the film versions of Percy Jackson being cut but I could be wrong as he is still on the main and YMMV page as this trope.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#3558: May 18th 2024 at 11:03:44 PM

I found the page where those two were discussed and both Hook and film!Luke were cut.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#3559: May 19th 2024 at 11:47:47 AM

Well feel free to cut him on both the YMMV page and the sandbox (just add the latter to the drafts page).

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
AmateurStorytime Just a starting content creator from Home Since: Mar, 2024
Just a starting content creator
#3560: May 19th 2024 at 3:15:09 PM

I went ahead and added the Phil Bell rewrite to the drafts since nobody objected.

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Tropes78 Since: Jun, 2023
#3561: May 20th 2024 at 3:15:48 PM

Quick question: in Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure, why is Giorno Giovanna an MB, but not Joseph Joestar, even though both are known to be cunning anti-heroes and Joseph Joestar is constantly seen as much better than Giorno by the fans?

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#3562: May 20th 2024 at 4:11:18 PM

I'd question if Giorno Giovanna is even an MB if he plays more of a passive support role to Bruno in the story, and the majority of his entry talks about the final confrontation, with a vague "figuring out the latter's plan" which pretty much describes all fights in the franchise.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#3563: May 20th 2024 at 8:23:00 PM

I've only watched up to part 3 but I doubt Joseph is bad enough to count.

I want to touch up a write up to fix a minor factual error.

Old

  • "Authority": Merritt Rook is a former audio engineer whose wife died in childbirth thanks to an error from the doctor. Rook, gaining a hatred of authority figures, manipulated and harassed the doctor into suicide before making calls posing as an authority figure to make others commit crimes for no reason but a voice on the phone told them to. Representing himself at trial to get his views out, Rook manages to get acquitted and keeps his movement going before Detective Benson goes to arrest him. Turning the tables, Rook sets a trap for Stabler where he forces him to torture Benson at risk of a bomb exploding only to reveal Benson was never in danger and her screams were prerecorded. Rook proceeds to flee, with the assumption being he drowns in the river, but the strong possibility remaining he manages to escape justice entirely after proving the points he wishes.

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AmateurStorytime Just a starting content creator from Home Since: Mar, 2024
Just a starting content creator
#3564: May 20th 2024 at 10:53:07 PM

[up]Looks good.

EDIT: Ignore this. I typed up a rewrite but I need to check something.

Edited by AmateurStorytime on May 20th 2024 at 11:08:39 AM

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Malginel Since: Aug, 2023
#3565: May 21st 2024 at 7:32:40 PM

Fullmetal Alchemist: Scar and Fullmetal Alchemist: Roy Mustang are now redirects. Roy Mustang's page is also potholed on the YMMV pages for the Broken Angel and the film trilogy, when its not on the entries in the FMA page. Fullmetal Alchemist: Edward Elric is also potholed in the header.

Fullmetal Alchemist: Homunculi Affiliates was also split off, and can probably go somewhere in Kimblee's entry.

holofan55 Since: Jul, 2022 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#3566: May 22nd 2024 at 7:24:24 AM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16706345050A65984200&page=143#comment-3561

It's not really based on fan opinion, but on bastardry (it's in the name). Joseph is simply not bad enough to qualify, he's very rude but is a reliable hero.

The greatest MB EP of all time.
TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#3567: May 22nd 2024 at 12:14:59 PM

Meritt rewrite looks good, and yeah, Joesph is great but he's not a bastard in the least. Giorno, meanwhile, is.

Okay, since everyone who chimed in on the issue was fine with keeping the Kirby page, here are some potential replacement quotes for the main VG page, all taken from the quotes page:

     Quotes 

"The power of Infel Phira is incredible. It brought us an overwhelming victory over the Divine Army. We have surpassed the Power of the Goddess."

"Your powerful GDI forces have been emasculated, and you yourself are a killer of children! Now of course it's not true, but, the world only believes what the media tells them to believe... and I tell the media what to believe, it's really quite simple."

"Shogun's influence reaches from the streets to government seats. His grip on the sector is tight. And he never lost a fight. Armed with big guns, loyal goons and a heavy sword... allies and foes know that Shogun is lord."
The Shogun's bio, Huntdown

"Yuri. From now on, I'm your enemy. This is the last time we'll ever speak as friends. The world as you know it will end. By my hand. If you really think you can stop me, my old friend, bring everything you have. Unlike Nicolai and Rasputin, I won't depend upon the power of some evil god. I'll do it with my own hands."
Masaji Kato, Shadow Hearts: Covenant

The Terror Mask: It's too late, Rick.
Rick: But... the sacrifice...
The Mask: One sacrifice isn't enough to open the gateway. Not one, not one thousand, but ten thousand sacrifices! And you, Rick, you have been the executioner. I want vengeance for an eternity of agony. I want the Corrupted to know that it was ME who stopped them! To do that... I got to let them out.
Splatterhouse (2010 remake)

"He is a puzzle, wrapped in an enigma, shrouded in riddles, lovingly sprinkled with intrigue, express mailed to Mystery, Alaska, and LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU! but it is too late. You're dead. For he is the Spy - globetrotting rogue, lady killer (metaphorically) and mankiller (for real)."
The Spy's official bio, Team Fortress 2

"YES, I WAS THE ONE THAT RE-ARRANGED THE CORE! I WAS THE ONE THAT HIRED EVERYONE TO KILL YOU! THAT, HOWEVER, WAS A SHORT-SIGHTED PLAN. YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE A HUNDRED TIMES BETTER? KILLING YOU MYSELF!"

"It's impossible to say for certain what he's really like. He masks his personality. And he's very good at it. It isn't like someone playing poker. This is a very smart man who is looking to gain the upper hand in every situation."
Dr. Yolanda Mendez on Aiden Pearce, Watch_Dogs

"Heh heh heh...Haaa ha ha ha haaa! 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111! The world's made up of numbers! I've been reverse-engineering my desired solution all along! And here it is!"
Sho Minamimoto, The World Ends with You

"Even if I go to hell, I will live till the end of this world. And if the world does not come to an end... I will destroy it with my own hands!"
Grahf, Xenogears

"Yes, we will destroy god. That is our purpose... That is our destiny!"
Grahf, Xenogears

Personally, I like the Kane, Masaji and Mettaton quotes, as well as both Grahf quotes. More suggestions are appreciated, of course.

Edited by TurlesTheVegan on May 22nd 2024 at 3:18:04 PM

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
Klavice (Elder Troper)
#3568: May 22nd 2024 at 7:58:19 PM

So I’ve been musing about this candidate of mine, and honestly have settled on “cut” for her. Who are we talking about? The contentious Edelgard of course! Now I’m gonna be honest with you all, her plan is brilliant and she definitely meets the bastard criteria, however given Three Hopes revealing she’s emotionally broken at times and while I wouldn’t normally put stock in a spinoff the game itself has added stock to this showing she’s emotionally broken at times in supports maybe not that frequently but it feels like it’s too mitigating. Not saying an example needs to be stone cold and emotionless, but the Xehanort write up made me second guess her given her middling at best reaction from fans with many either despising her or considering her poor writing, with only a smaller chunk actually liking her. What’s more Edelgard also doesn’t “win” in all but one route, and kinda goes out pathetically in a few routes begging for her life.

Edited by Klavice on May 22nd 2024 at 7:59:21 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#3569: May 22nd 2024 at 11:10:42 PM

We already had a long, long discussion about her and determined that her breakdown is magically induced by a spell she could not possibly have seen coming, and the thread determined that wasn’t mitigating.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Klavice (Elder Troper)
#3570: May 23rd 2024 at 6:51:28 AM

I retract my cut proposal if you all think she stilll makes it.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#3571: May 23rd 2024 at 8:51:51 AM

Isn't being able to see things coming part of being an MB?

Anyway, Arkhamverse!Riddler and Scarecrow may be getting merged back, so if so, I'll chop/replace any potholes and add pages to the swap list.

TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#3572: May 23rd 2024 at 9:34:35 AM

It is, but given that there's no way that Edelgard could've seen what Thales did to her coming (especially given how much of an Ass Pull it is) so she's fine there.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#3573: May 23rd 2024 at 11:08:41 AM

I'll take your word for it.

Anyway...a heads up: There may be a LOT of merging back of character pages for the DCAU, so...Lex among them, but his pothole can just be changed to his comic character page.

Oddly enough, ''The Batman Adventures' entries have NO potholes, so I may do that while I'm at it, I dunno.

AmateurStorytime Just a starting content creator from Home Since: Mar, 2024
Just a starting content creator
#3574: May 23rd 2024 at 7:59:42 PM

Hey, is there a particular reason MagnificentBastard.Western Animation doesn't show up on related search pages?

Check this. You can clearly see MagnificentBastard.Fan Works and MagnificentBastard.Literature A To J, but the Western Animation link is just missing. Same goes for any other works on MagnificentBastard.Western Animation, it just doesn't show up when you click on related.

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SeaMonkey851 Autistic Gamer from Topeka, Kansas (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Autistic Gamer
#3575: May 23rd 2024 at 8:43:28 PM

Hey, I have a question. Is Darth Ferb from Phineas and Ferb: Star Wars really a Magnificent Bastard? He is Brainwashed and Crazy, after all. And Magnificent Bastards are supposed to have agency.

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