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Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard (MB) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List

Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a MB has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's MBs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any MB link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an MB link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved MBs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their MB equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:36:43 AM

TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#3526: May 15th 2024 at 5:58:53 PM

Cut Schultz.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#3527: May 15th 2024 at 6:00:00 PM

Cut to Schultz, at least we'll always have Hans Landa listed.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime Raz (Season 2) Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#3530: May 15th 2024 at 11:11:08 PM

Going against the grain here and saying keep Schultz, I always read his decision to kill Candie as more driven by his morals than pride.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#3531: May 16th 2024 at 6:29:05 AM

What seals it for me is that he shoots him after Candie insists that he shake his hand. If he had simply done that they would've gotten away, but it just makes things much worse.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
KratsUf (Troper in training)
#3532: May 16th 2024 at 7:46:53 AM

Keep for Schultz

Edited by KratsUf on May 16th 2024 at 2:47:06 PM

LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime Raz (Season 2) Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#3534: May 16th 2024 at 10:27:03 AM

I am personally a cut for him.

Bow to the Prototype
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#3535: May 16th 2024 at 10:40:27 AM

I say cut him, with Word of God confirming it was his pride that screwed him over I think it's an open and shut case

Edited by Agentofchaos on May 16th 2024 at 12:40:40 PM

"We'll meet again" | 🏳️‍⚧️
AmateurStorytime Just a starting content creator from Home Since: Mar, 2024
PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#3537: May 16th 2024 at 5:49:06 PM

Cut in that case and I'm good for the above rewrite, as well as the Shakespeare rewrite suggested below it!

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#3538: May 16th 2024 at 5:55:41 PM

Cut Schultz.

Curious: Does Waltz have any other keepers?

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#3539: May 16th 2024 at 7:14:28 PM

Could go either way on Schultz.

Pride or not, Calvin Candie is extremely insufferable and pretentious despite his charisma, and I'm almost willing to give Schultz a pass for being upset at having to submit to such a petty sadist's whims. Almost.

I assume Django is staying?

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#3540: May 16th 2024 at 7:48:53 PM

Very much so. He's legitimately clever in how he gets out of his bind with the Australian slavers and generally awesome to boot.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#3541: May 17th 2024 at 3:55:06 PM

Just a heads up: Castlevania character pages will be changed. For the main Dracula, you can just use...well, Dracula [lol]

fanman "To watch it all burn." from Earth-Prime/Earth-1218 Since: Feb, 2022 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
"To watch it all burn."
#3542: May 17th 2024 at 6:42:22 PM

How does this entry in the sandbox look for Hannibal? He was a unanimous cut.

Hannibal: Hannibal (too cruel and petty)

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#3543: May 17th 2024 at 6:50:58 PM

I'd also mention often tricking people into engaging in cannibalism.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Starkrafty Since: Sep, 2017
#3544: May 17th 2024 at 7:41:32 PM

Hey, I have an easy cut for us from Pizza Tower:

Magnificent Bastard: Mr. Stick is a con artist dedicated to making as much money as possible off of Pizza Tower. Exploiting Peppino's desperation, he sets up numerous Boss Gates and forces him to pay the fees to proceed through the Tower, encouraging him to rescue the Toppins so they can pay him out of gratitude, while in exchange he helps him and Gustavo navigate the tower during Pizza Time. Conning Peppino out of his last bit of money via a charity guise, Mr. Stick ultimately escapes Pizza Tower alongside everyone else with a large sack of cash in tow, his scheme successful.

Mr. Stick is not magnificent. The bit where he "con(s) Peppino out of his last bit of money via a charity guise" is literally done through the lowest-effort Paper-Thin Disguise possible. He just slaps a fake beard and a patchwork jacket on with no attempt made to hide the fact who he really is. Not to mention Peppino doesn't have to fall for it. Paying Mr. Stick here is optional; it's only if you want the last unlockable that you pay him, and even then it's not played as Peppino falling for a devious trick, it's...Peppino falling for an incredibly obvious Paper-Thin Disguise.

his is played for comedy, of course, but it's not at all conducive for Mr. Stick qualifying for this trope. There's nothing else he does that actually qualifies toward this trope. He paywalls the boss doors. That's it.

Cut him.

DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It's Him
#3545: May 17th 2024 at 7:46:30 PM

Cut Stick.

Edited by DoodSlayer136 on May 17th 2024 at 8:30:30 AM

fanman "To watch it all burn." from Earth-Prime/Earth-1218 Since: Feb, 2022 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
"To watch it all burn."
#3546: May 17th 2024 at 7:59:19 PM

Cut Mr. Stick

TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#3547: May 17th 2024 at 8:38:21 PM

Cut Mr. Stick. Fine with the Phil Bell and the Shakespeare rewrites.

Related to Bell, I'd like to suggest two changes to the GTA MB page; move the ULP Contact to be 3D Universe wide since he's in V and Online and put Bell in a tree with Stubbs and Luis. Thoughts?

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
AmateurStorytime Just a starting content creator from Home Since: Mar, 2024
TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#3549: May 17th 2024 at 9:24:45 PM

My bad, yeah, I meant the HD Universe.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#3550: May 18th 2024 at 1:04:17 AM

Cut Mr. Stick.

Edited by Powermaster201 on May 18th 2024 at 4:04:32 AM


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