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Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard (MB) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List

Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a MB has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's MBs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any MB link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an MB link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved MBs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their MB equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:36:43 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#301: Dec 26th 2022 at 7:07:47 PM

I'll leave that to an expert lol

Also I don't recall us discussing it but I filled out Magnificent Bastard Marvel Video Games, someone double check me, the only stuff I left out were crossovers with other franchises as we'd discussed making a section on the main pages for such things.

Edited by 43110 on Dec 27th 2022 at 9:00:50 AM

DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It's Him
#302: Dec 27th 2022 at 2:34:33 PM

So I just saw Puss in Boots: The Last Wish (fuckin loved it btw). PM if anyone wants to discuss potentials.

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#303: Dec 27th 2022 at 3:56:07 PM

Just would like some feedback on a possible quote? Be good to get some opinions before taking it to the other threads. It's of Red Death.

"Oh, you're up. Goody. We can start your history lesson. Long before there were loud-mouthed buff guys in Spandex, there was the Gentleman Villain. His favorite sinister act was this — tying someone to a train track. It's simple, inexpensive, personal, and deadly. But it gives you a little hope. Maybe you'll escape. Lesson's not over, sonny! (sighs) Now, the Gentleman Villain had these old-school time bombs — three sticks of dynamite wired to an alarm clock. And what was so poetic about that is that they ticked! You could hear them. Tick, tick, tick. Nowadays, they're just digital. No sound, no peril. Oh? Oh, ho, ho! Do you hear that? There's the ticking. The train is coming. Is it on this track? Tick, tick, tick. Maybe it's on the other track. Tick, tick, tick! Not bad for an old man, huh? I'm gonna get going and let you try to escape. And if you do, tell the Peril Partnership that the Guild isn't scared of punks. If you don't? Eh, well... sorry.

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#304: Dec 27th 2022 at 4:52:43 PM

Hmmm I'd say we should probably stick with alphabetical for the DC Animation page.

[up] I love it!

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#305: Dec 27th 2022 at 5:04:40 PM

Great quote and I'm cool with alphabetizing if that's what you and others would like Rav!

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#306: Dec 27th 2022 at 5:30:36 PM

That's a great quote!

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#307: Dec 27th 2022 at 7:50:31 PM

Also did we discuss the Marvel game page and I forgot or did someone just make one since there's a Monster one?

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#308: Dec 27th 2022 at 8:05:54 PM

I don't recall a full discussion happening...once the approval threads open myself and others have several to bring up that would warrant such a page if we wanted, but I don't think we actually addressed if we wanted to make one yet.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#309: Dec 27th 2022 at 8:40:08 PM

If that's the case Imma just table the sandbox for now.

DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It's Him
#310: Dec 27th 2022 at 10:15:22 PM

Alright, so I got a candidate from back in my early days I wanna rewrite a bit:

  • 5H4D0W-TP, aka "Shadowtrap", is the Manifestation of Claptrap's Vault Hunter.EXE program who seeks to take vengeance on everyone who's wronged Claptrap. Taking advantage of Jack not taking him seriously, he tricks the Vault Hunters into releasing him from his prison before making off with The H-Source, at one point disguising as Claptrap himself to trick them into giving him Claptrap's Hope and Self-Esteem, stealing them as well and running further into his Subconscious before taking on the Vault Hunters himself, tricking them once again into giving him the H-Source after seemingly being defeated and engaging in one last brutal fight. Even after being defeated, he sacrifices himself to save Claptrap from dying, thus ensuring "Handsome" Jack's downfall. Raising multiple good points about the Vault Hunters, Shadowtrap proves to be one of the series most cunning villains.

Basically, the entire middle bit of the entry has no periods and is an overtly long sentence, not to mention a few details I forgot to mention in the entry (like how he actively helped them get the H-Source in the first place). Also the last bit is now a bit awkward in hindsight now that we have a whole page of candidates from the same franchise (it was written when he and Zarpedon were the only two MB's from the series. So how about:

  • 5H4D0W-TP, aka "Shadowtrap", is the Manifestation of Claptrap's Vault Hunter.EXE program who seeks to take vengeance on everyone who's wronged Claptrap. Taking advantage of The Vault Hunters not taking him seriously, he helps them retrieve the H-Source before convincing them to release him from his prison, making off with the stolen H-Source into Claptrap's subconscious, at one point disguising as Claptrap himself to trick them into giving him Claptrap's Hope and Self-Esteem, using them to escape further into his Subconscious. Seemingly beaten by the Vault Hunters when cornered, he tricks them once again into giving him the H-Source by disguising as Jack and engages them in one last brutal fight. Even after being defeated, he sacrifices himself to save Claptrap from dying, thus ensuring "Handsome" Jack's downfall.

Thoughts?

Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Dec 28th 2022 at 8:19:22 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#311: Dec 28th 2022 at 4:56:14 AM

Good work pal!

Also per the discussion on CM can I get some clarity if Marvel Video Games should even exist on either page?

Edited by 43110 on Dec 28th 2022 at 7:58:50 AM

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Quasi-official Pretty Cure Entry Pimp
#312: Dec 28th 2022 at 6:29:14 AM

[up] Hey, just wanted to let you know I put Strings' writeup on the Magnificent Bastard Drafts page.

"I would never consider YOU a waste of personnel." — Kawarino
Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#313: Dec 28th 2022 at 6:37:54 AM

Is Neville Sinclair from The Rocketeer still eligible for the approval he got since the general decision that Nazis don't count?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#314: Dec 28th 2022 at 6:40:13 AM

Sinclair's kind of a special case as he's just treated as a foreign supervillain and never espouses Nazi viewpoints short of "the US will fall"

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#315: Dec 28th 2022 at 6:52:31 AM

That was the exact major point of discussion when I posted him and he was later discussed again on the same basis. It being a Disney family film with no reference to the more insidious points of Nazism mean he's a charming mole seeking to help the (generic kids movie) villains try to take over the world by jetpack, I don't think there's a problem to keep him.

Re: Strings, Got it, thanks!

Edited by 43110 on Dec 28th 2022 at 10:06:59 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#316: Dec 28th 2022 at 8:53:12 AM

When I tried Sinclair for CM years ago, he was rejected on the basis of Fridge Horror—his providing the rocket pack would allow the Nazis to lead an insurrection on DC and takeover the country. Even with our current lens, that still gets filter into FH because Sinclair himself is only seeking the rocket pack for his superiors and what their designs are on it isn't shown to be his. In the context of the film, he's simply an undercover agent doing a job and whose charm is actually in no way false despite him playing a part—the part also happens to be of an actor. Haha.

Not meant to be a slight against actors, it's supposed to highlight the layers of his performance. He's playing an actor and an actor plays other people. Haha.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Dec 28th 2022 at 8:57:33 AM

BillyPeepers92 Since: Jun, 2021
#317: Dec 29th 2022 at 1:27:00 AM

Hello everyone. I saw that Paul String's MB writeup was put into the Visual Novel sandbox. Shouldn't it go to the fan works sandbox since Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney Case 5: Turnabout Substitution is a fangame?

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#318: Dec 29th 2022 at 5:19:36 AM

I didn't know, it can be moved then!

OrrorSANESS Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#319: Dec 29th 2022 at 10:18:51 AM

It has been... restarted. I see.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#320: Dec 29th 2022 at 10:21:12 AM

Red Death quote works.

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#321: Dec 29th 2022 at 12:25:08 PM

Finished rereading Worm and I wanted somewhere to put down my thoughts. Long and short of it, there are less characters who count than I expected but more than I remembered there being, if that makes sense. I don't want to go into too much detail now, since all but one of the characters I'm looking at return to be major characters in the sequel. For all I know, they all fail miserably and I just don't remember how it plays out. The one who doesn't return for the sequel and should be an easy approval is a supervillain lawyer—a minor character in the grand scheme of things, but a fun one.

For anyone thinking this would be like the last massive web serial I covered, the main character, Taylor, does not count. She's badass and intelligent enough to make it, but she's also a traumatized, selfish, and self-destructive disaster with more suicidal tendencies than Catherine "killing and then reviving myself with blasphemous necromancy is the solution to every problem" Foundling. I love her, but her story is ultimately a tragedy of a depressed teenager who made really poor life decisions and somehow got away with it until the very end.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Dec 29th 2022 at 6:34:19 AM

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Classy, Refined, Unstable
#322: Dec 29th 2022 at 3:29:06 PM

I've got a CM/MB candidate I'm not too sure on but I'm aware that these type guys went through much tighter scrutiny in the thread, and FWIW I've not seen him mentioned since I've been on the MB threads, am I alright to trigger a discussion?

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#323: Dec 29th 2022 at 3:32:40 PM

Which candidate?

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#324: Dec 29th 2022 at 3:33:51 PM

[up]The "Tremas" Master

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#325: Dec 29th 2022 at 3:44:06 PM

Do you mean the universe stuff in Utopia. As it's literally never mentioned again. The plot pretends it never happened afterwards? It's why I was never super bothered by it. Because you the show itself didn't care?

The majority of his plots afterwards were just goofy, cartoony plots. It's why I'm perfectly fine with the guy. Depending on the Writer really helps here.

Edited by miraculous on Dec 29th 2022 at 3:46:07 AM

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