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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

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  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#2151: Jan 1st 2023 at 3:06:21 PM

That does indeed sound like a deal breaker and that works ACW.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#2152: Jan 1st 2023 at 3:09:27 PM

Yeah cut Hel unless somebody brings REAL good counterargument.

TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#2154: Jan 1st 2023 at 3:24:56 PM

Okay wait a second. On doing a second reading of the TT story, Hel herself isn’t named in the sacrifice, just that Eir’s mother did it. Apparently a big reveal in this TT series was that Hel wasn’t actually Eir’s biological mother, so it may have been her real mother who sacrificed herself. It’s really unclear, since I’m mainly looking at the wiki (I fell off FEH years ago), so we may need a second opinion.

TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Bye
#2155: Jan 1st 2023 at 3:28:53 PM

Changing my vote on Hel on neutral until second opinion is provided

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#2156: Jan 1st 2023 at 3:32:19 PM

Okay, I'm switching to abstain until we get someone else with experience on Heroes weighs in

Edited by Agentofchaos on Jan 1st 2023 at 6:33:38 AM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#2157: Jan 1st 2023 at 3:35:09 PM

It was her real mother who sacrificed herself, just an FYI. Agreed on cutting the Infidel btw

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#2159: Jan 1st 2023 at 3:37:00 PM

So Hel didn't sacrifice herself? It was someone else who did all that?

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ForgoLight The Ultimate Lifeform Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
The Ultimate Lifeform
#2160: Jan 1st 2023 at 3:37:48 PM

I may be a bit late on this but if Hel and the real mother were two different people and the real mother made the sacrifice then Hel is a keep in my opinion.

"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#2161: Jan 1st 2023 at 3:39:23 PM

Damn, so it was her real mother? My bad, guys.

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#2162: Jan 1st 2023 at 3:39:56 PM

Yeah if Hel didn't do all that she stays.

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TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#2164: Jan 1st 2023 at 3:43:08 PM

Fire Emblem loves the "abusive adoptive parent" thing

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#2165: Jan 1st 2023 at 4:06:08 PM

Its okay, honest mistake.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#2166: Jan 1st 2023 at 4:23:06 PM

Keep Hel

So I might have another Golden Ager to cut, from Pat Patriot: America's Joan of Arc:

So Fritz is a prick, and has the highest attempted body count in the comic, but I'm honestly not sure if he meets the genre heinous standard. Why, you ask? His rapsheet is only attempts. His attempt to murder the Boy Scouts is specifically him ordering the movie set he's plotting to destroy blown up anyways after being notified of their presence, and while he comes very close to killing Mills, he simply shoots him. I know attempts count just as much as successes, but when he's only bad enough because of one failed order? I'm not sure it's enough.

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Jan 1st 2023 at 4:35:12 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#2167: Jan 1st 2023 at 4:35:40 PM

Eh, I think he's fine. Attempts are close enough for me.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#2169: Jan 1st 2023 at 4:46:05 PM

I say keep Fritz, even if his only standout crime fails it's still the thought that counts

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EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#2171: Jan 1st 2023 at 5:28:08 PM

Keep Hel and Fritz

IPP Wick Check created.
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#2172: Jan 1st 2023 at 8:34:47 PM

Cool, keep Hel and Fritz and good fair discussion on both!

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#2173: Jan 1st 2023 at 10:37:06 PM

NGL, I have no issue keeping Haubner. "Murder a bunch of children because I'm too fucking lazy to change the parameters of my original plan" crosses the line back then as much as it does now, even considering the guy is a Golden Age Nazi.

Edited by Scraggle on Jan 1st 2023 at 11:50:41 AM

TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#2175: Jan 2nd 2023 at 12:56:40 AM

Keep Fritz. Trying to kill a bunch of kids is enough for him to stand out

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