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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#17951: Sep 26th 2024 at 11:22:36 AM

Keep Screwball.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
jlvs200s from The Netherlands (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I miss my wife, Tails
#17952: Sep 26th 2024 at 11:23:31 AM

Keep Screwball

"The time has come for every last Shoppe... No! The time has come for the DREAM KINGDOM to bow down to me! Gotcha ! Hee-hee!" | He/Him
Arawn999 Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#17953: Sep 26th 2024 at 12:51:20 PM

[up][up][up] The baby is a demigoddess prophesied to bring about the fall of the royal family whose kingdom the barbarians are at war with... which could be read in a couple of ways. While she was alive, the barbarian priestess interpreted it as her future daughter tearing down the royal family so that the barbarians and evil god can conquer and enslave everyone (assuming she didn't get to do so herself, which she had every intention of doing). Given the sapphic inclinations of the series, the metatextual implication is that in a hypothetical third book the demigoddess will be raised by the shamaness to be ignorant of her heritage, fall in love with the princess of the kingdom, discover and reject her heritage as the evil god's daughter, help defeat her father once and for all, and unite the divided lands by marrying the princess.

Edited by Arawn999 on Sep 26th 2024 at 2:38:49 AM

Bozzy Since: Feb, 2023
#17954: Sep 26th 2024 at 12:57:36 PM

[up] Wait, so the series isn't done and we could get more on the priestess since her daughter will be the new main character? This is starting to concern me. What is the work called?

Arawn999 Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#17955: Sep 26th 2024 at 1:08:50 PM

The series is called The Legends of Ithyria, specifically the second book. The priestess is dead, so barring ghosts or flashbacks I would say her story is definitively concluded. Also, the prophecy sets up a Sequel Hook focusing on the demigoddess and the princess getting together but I should have been clearer that no third book has been announced as of this writing despite it having been almost ten years since the last book was published.

Edited by Arawn999 on Sep 26th 2024 at 2:42:12 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#17956: Sep 26th 2024 at 2:37:52 PM

What happened with the page image of Assassin's Creed? I remember it was changed to the image of the villain from the comic, but it's back to the old one now.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#17957: Sep 26th 2024 at 3:26:43 PM

Sigh...that's why when images are changed someone needs to do it in the Sandbox...

I've changed it back and it will be swapped.

Edited by ACW on Sep 26th 2024 at 6:57:20 AM

moctezuma2000 Since: Sep, 2018
#17958: Sep 26th 2024 at 4:39:51 PM

  • Animal Man: President Eagleton, from issues #27-32 of the 1988 series, is the leader of the United States in Earth-Twenty-Seven, the Alternate Universe Buddy Baker is marooned in. A chameleonic sociopath who outright brags at how good at faking honesty he is, Eagleton enlists Buddy to help apprehend the Angel siblings, three child telepaths who are interfering with his re-election campaign. Once the Angels are tracked down, Eagleton breaks his promise not to harm them and reveals he intends to dissect them alive to learn how to implant their abilities in US soldiers. Though Buddy kills Eagleton, he is too late to save the children, only being able to help them die in peace.

Is this heinous enough with the resources of a president? Is it heinous enough for DC standards? Plasmus in this continuity melted a dozen children to death, and the consequences of his psychic soldiers plan are not delved into much.

Arawn999 Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#17960: Sep 26th 2024 at 11:46:20 PM

I... THINK... I'm fine with Richie staying.

LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime Raz (Season 2) Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
SeaMonkey851 Autistic Gamer from Topeka, Kansas (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Autistic Gamer
#17962: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:40:20 AM

Hey, I want to discuss something I noticed about Infinite from Sonic Forces.

I was reading YMMV.Shadow The Hedgehog and under the Character Perception Evolution entry for approved CM Black Doom, it reads that Infinite is a self-parody and intentionally-over the top. Is this true?

My mother nicknamed me, hence the username.
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#17963: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:43:33 AM

[up] The game still portray him and his actions pretty seriously. I don't think it's an issue.

LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime Raz (Season 2) Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
#17964: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:44:47 AM

Infinite's definitely a Self-Parody but given his actual actions are treated dead-seriously, he keeps.

[down] True. His whole squad just got wiped out and he's complaining about being weak? Infinite really needs to get his priorities straight.

Edited by LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime on Sep 27th 2024 at 2:52:35 PM

I don't want the world, I just want your half.
TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#17965: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:46:46 AM

I find Infinite somewhat difficult to take seriously given, you know, I'M NOT WEAAAAAK and all that, but the story plays his actions and the effect they have had on the Avatar straight. He's fine.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
SeaMonkey851 Autistic Gamer from Topeka, Kansas (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Autistic Gamer
#17966: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:50:36 AM

Okay then.

And since I mentioned Black Doom, I read this on Heartwarming.Shadow The Hedgehog:

  • Quite a lot of the post-game messages in Expert Mode are this. When you replay the game after completing it, you would hear your ally or an important NPC communicate with you; the replaying of the game is stated to be one massive training simulation.
    Cream: Good day, Shadow! Thank you so, so much for rescuing me the other day!note  Cheese and I will be cheering you on during your training! Good luck!
    Maria: Shadow, I believe in you!
    • One important one is how the G.U.N. Commander will actually inform Shadow that he has become a grandfather. The fact he is telling him this shows the development the man has gone through in his relationship with the ultimate lifeform.
      G.U.N. Commander: Shadow, do you read me? First, I want to... apologize for the other day. Actually, I just became a grandfather last week, and I was thinking of maybe having you over. I know training is tough, but try and do your best!
    • And special attention goes to the dialogue in Last Way (the final stage of Expert Mode), in which everyone, even Black Doom cheers Shadow on.
      Eggman: This is the final stage!
      Sonic: Great job making it this far, Shadow!
      Tails: Give it your best shot and make your way to the last Goal Ring!
      Knuckles: You can do it!
      Rouge: Good luck, Shadow!
      Amy: Good luck, Shadow!
      Vector: Give it all you got!
      Charmy: Fight!
      Espio: You're gonna do fine!
      Cream: Good luck!
      Cheese: Chaaoo!
      Omega: Good luck.
      Black Doom: Now, go! Head for the Goal Ring!
      President: We're all counting on you, Shadow.
      Secretary: Best of luck!
      Commander: Good luck!
      Gerald: Good luck.
      Maria: Shadow, I believe in you...

Yes. Black Doom is cheering Shadow on. You read that right. Is he keeping?

Edited by SeaMonkey851 on Sep 27th 2024 at 1:50:58 PM

My mother nicknamed me, hence the username.
Bozzy Since: Feb, 2023
#17967: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:51:16 AM

[up] That doesn't seem canon though

LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime Raz (Season 2) Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
Dude-of-Wealth-And-Taste (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Become a part of me!
#17969: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:54:47 AM

Yeah the additional content on "Extra Mode" is not really canon to the actual game. Keep Black Doom.

Edited by Dude-of-Wealth-And-Taste on Sep 27th 2024 at 11:00:24 PM

Till all are one.
Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
#17970: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:56:04 AM

Is any of the dialogue canon to the game? If not then keep Black Doom

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#17971: Sep 27th 2024 at 12:03:49 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] this is not canon especially when it's just a fourth wall break that clashes with Black Doom's portrayal in a extra mode

We are not cutting him for this

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Sep 27th 2024 at 12:06:19 PM

Evanpotter09 Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
SeaMonkey851 Autistic Gamer from Topeka, Kansas (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Autistic Gamer
#17973: Sep 27th 2024 at 12:09:06 PM

The decision has been made. We're keeping him.

For a moment there, I was worried we would have to cut him. Phew!

My mother nicknamed me, hence the username.
YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#17974: Sep 27th 2024 at 12:12:03 PM

the dialogue doesn't even sound mitigating to be honest even if we assumed it was canon

He is just telling Shadow to go to the Goal Ring

I don't see how that would DQ him especially when that still leads to him trying to brainwash Shadow into being his slave

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Sep 27th 2024 at 12:14:42 PM

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#17975: Sep 27th 2024 at 1:06:32 PM

Yeah keep Black Doom, that bit is obviously not canon, and even if it were, it would be pragmatic anyways considering he's attempting to use him to begin with and is more than willing to kill him when he outlives his usefulness or when he defies him.

[up][nja]

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Sep 27th 2024 at 1:06:58 AM


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