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Old Complete Monster cleanup thread

Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#16526: Aug 12th 2024 at 7:17:32 PM

[tup] for the Col. Sun and Bobby Ferguson rewrites. Keep Tzekel-Kan.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#16527: Aug 12th 2024 at 11:53:31 PM

I like the Case Closed rewrites though the second one should say "former police officer."

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#16528: Aug 13th 2024 at 3:38:30 AM

[tup] Sun and Ferguson rewrites.

Something that I noticed about Shadow Raiders header:

  • The Beast Generals, the malevolent servitors of the world-devouring Beast Planet who help their master The Beast scourge entire solar systems and destroy all worlds within them, each qualify in their own right:

It’s pretty good don’t get me wrong, but while two of Beast Generals (Lamprey and Blokk) do keep, third one (Voyd) dosen’t, despite header kinda making it sound like all Beast Generals keep.

Maybe this would work better to make that clear:

  • Out of the Beast Generals, the malevolent servitors of the world-devouring Beast Planet who help their master The Beast scourge entire solar systems and destroy all worlds within them, two of them qualify in their own different, but egually evil, ways:

Thoughts?

Edited by EmperorGeode on Aug 13th 2024 at 3:41:33 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#16529: Aug 13th 2024 at 4:42:58 AM

Maybe "Of the three Beast Generals..."?

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#16530: Aug 13th 2024 at 8:30:24 AM

So

  • Of the three Beast Generals, the malevolent servitors of the world-devouring Beast Planet who help their master The Beast scourge entire solar systems and destroy all worlds within them, two of them qualify in their own different, but egually evil, ways:

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#16532: Aug 13th 2024 at 12:49:33 PM

Coming here to express my concerns about Jake's inclusion, one of the antagonists in The Walking Dead: Season One. We may be seeing another TWD character getting removed soon, but let's focus on Jake...

  • Jake is the hot-tempered and barbaric leader of the Save-Lots Bandits, raiding and massacring any settlements for supplies, including Ben's former school, and murdering the St. John's farm hands. Willing to murder any of his allies for the slightest grievances, Jake organizes the gang-rape and murder of Jolene's young daughter Danielle, driving Jolene to gain a psychotic break. After harassing and attacking the Motor Inn for weeks, Jake strong-arms and threatens Ben into stealing supplies, and when Lee intercepts the next supply exchange, Jake immediately takes over the Motor Lodge and is quick to murder all the inhabitants, Clementine and Duck included.

Now, I always had issues with him keeping. First of all, the game takes place in the same universe as the comics, Jake is a raider in a world where raiders are practically the norm, he's just one of many. His worst crime, the rape of Jolene's daughter Danielle, is not exactly unique. We see a bunch of other rapists and attempted rapists, with the Marauders specifically wanting to rape Rick's son Carl. If we ignore what he did to Danielle, we're left with a pretty generic villain, and to make matters even worse, we know next-to-nothing about Jake's massacre of Ben's schoolmates, he attacked his former camp of survivors but we're never given an exact bodycount. Just to give you guys an idea of how bad the world of TWD is, the person who kills Jake, Lilly, ends up becoming a high-ranking member of the Delta, a paramilitary group of raiders known for their willingness to conscript and brainwash children. Honestly, there are even nastier raiders terrorizing this post-apocalyptic world, Jake just doesn't stand out, I personally say "Cut".

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Aug 13th 2024 at 4:59:12 PM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#16533: Aug 13th 2024 at 12:51:33 PM

Cut Jake. I never thought he counted.

It's Spooky Month!
Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
#16534: Aug 13th 2024 at 12:52:50 PM

Cut Jake

Edited by Echidna on Aug 13th 2024 at 3:52:55 PM

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
TrippEverett Since: Feb, 2023
#16539: Aug 13th 2024 at 1:08:36 PM

Cut Jake.

Edited by TrippEverett on Aug 13th 2024 at 1:10:26 AM

TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#16540: Aug 13th 2024 at 1:09:58 PM

Snip Jake.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#16542: Aug 13th 2024 at 1:12:19 PM

Could I get some more opinions on my suggestion above?

Edited by EmperorGeode on Aug 13th 2024 at 1:12:35 AM

Thermal7 —- from —- Since: Oct, 2018
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#16544: Aug 13th 2024 at 1:15:23 PM

Cut Jake. Fine wih that change Geode.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
ForgoLight The Ultimate Lifeform Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#16548: Aug 13th 2024 at 1:48:17 PM

You mention them wanting to rape Carl, but just how common IS attempted/actual child rape?

Edited by ACW on Aug 13th 2024 at 4:48:30 AM

TheCosmicCollector Since: Feb, 2023 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow

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