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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#16176: Jul 27th 2024 at 10:30:43 AM

Wait does he never subvert it anyway?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#16177: Jul 27th 2024 at 10:44:35 AM

He doesn't appear a lot and his scheme only targets adults from memory.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#16178: Jul 27th 2024 at 10:50:53 AM

If theirs no indication he's lying. Cut

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#16179: Jul 27th 2024 at 10:55:17 AM

My issue is he's horrible with his prostitution scheme but even as he's dealing with the heroine pointing a gun at his head he makes a claim that's revealed to be true and backed up by the fact that when Mary's found at the brothel he left her with she's just doing chores. If he made her into a prostitute I'd be comfortable with keeping him but it feels like a genuine standard.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
#16182: Jul 27th 2024 at 11:02:52 AM

If there is zero indication that’s a lie then we have to go with its genuine so cut John

jlvs200s from The Netherlands (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I miss my wife, Tails
#16183: Jul 27th 2024 at 11:03:53 AM

Cut John

"The time has come for every last Shoppe... No! The time has come for the DREAM KINGDOM to bow down to me! Gotcha ! Hee-hee!" | He/Him
YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#16184: Jul 27th 2024 at 11:11:35 AM

So question on Ansem and Xemnas

Is it confirmed they were trying to usurp Xehanort?

Also do you have a source for the manga?

Also I very much doubt Xehanort will be CM in this but hey it would be shocking

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Jul 27th 2024 at 11:13:27 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#16186: Jul 27th 2024 at 12:16:47 PM

Looks like we’re gonna have to send the YMMV page to the Cut List since it’s the only entry there.

Edited by MasterN on Jul 27th 2024 at 12:17:42 PM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#16187: Jul 27th 2024 at 1:04:58 PM

[up][up] Ansem says in the game he'd hoped to cheat his fate rather than stay a pawn for Master Xehanort, which finding the location of Subject X would presumably help him do, but he was sabotaged by Vexen/Even and realized it ultimately didn't matter. With Xemnas it was only implied in the scene where he mentions Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia and Larxene's secret pasts tied to the Keyblade, but there was no follow-up on that in the game itself.

Source is the most recent chapter. Riku strikes down Ansem, Mickey strikes down Xemnas, and Sora strikes down Young Xehanort, with only that last one getting any last words in. https://www.ganganonline.com/title/5

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#16189: Jul 27th 2024 at 2:01:10 PM

[up][up] well given his last speech is plot important I guess that’s stats in

Guess they do keep

Going to be funny when I do my secret KH candidate

Not joking

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Jul 27th 2024 at 2:03:11 AM

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#16190: Jul 27th 2024 at 3:14:29 PM

Apparently there has been a bunch of unaproved edits to Transformers writeups.

Just thought to let all know.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Jul 27th 2024 at 3:14:45 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#16191: Jul 27th 2024 at 3:15:21 PM

Oh I saw. I'm fine with those on my entries. Though Blurry Dwago please next time bring it here if you want to add stuff.

Edited by miraculous on Jul 27th 2024 at 3:15:48 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#16192: Jul 27th 2024 at 3:36:55 PM

Got it. I removed most of edits to my writeups, alought I kept potholes and keept some minor changes:

Now they look like this (minus potholes that is):

  • Shockwave is immoral Mad Scientist who joined Exarchon for the scientific secrets he offered, using them to create a clone army with which Exarchon almost brought Cybertron down during the war. Brought back from exile by Megatron, Shockwave leads the Rise to commit terrorist acts to delegimitise the Autobot government so that Megatron's Ascenticons could gain power. He has Insecticons organise the massacre of the Mayalx colony so he can gain energon to secure the loyalty of the Constructicons, amd by extenction Devastator. Shockwave restarts his experiments on Cybertron, one of them leaving several of his test subjects dead, while having his minion Soundblaster gather materials for his cloning experiments by forming a huge splicing operation. On Megatron's orders, Shockwave has Rise organise the destruction of Tether, causing huge amounts of death and destruction across the planet as it falls and enabling the newly formed Decepticons to begin their takeover. When Exarchon returns, Shockwave is ready to join him once again and start another bloody campaign against Cybertron. Shockwave switches sides back to Megatron after Exarchon is defeated for good, taking part in the battle at Darkmount to wipe out the Autobots.
  • Issues #7-9—"Gauging the Truth" arc: The Plenary Heretech is the leader of the Reversionists and the self-proclaimed prophet of Primus. Originally a senator, Heretech believed Cybertronian society was in decay and decided to lead the Revisionists to leave the planet, supposedly in search of a new beginning. Heretech’s true plan, however, is to use of his ship's engine as plasma cannon, causing a huge environmental disaster on Cybertron and giving its population a choice between joining the Reversionists or dying. When Gauge, Arcee and Greenlight board his ship to escape the damage from the falling Tether, Heretech has the latter two imprisoned and the newly forged Gauge’s mind into believing she is a Reversionist. Ready to proceed with his plan, Heretech has his minions try to take the communications tower to deliver his threat to Cybertron, while planning to have Gauge use her alt mode to unearth an energon vein and accelerate the planet's destruction. When he realises Gauge has turned against him, he tries to kill her. Despite his preaching about being Primus' prophet and wishing to stop Cybertronian decay, it's made clear that Heretech is an egoistical megalomaniac who simply wants to force his entire race to either join his Cult of Personality or die.
  • Issues #10-12—"Storm Horizon" arc: Spinister is the field leader of the splice-thieves, leading others into capturing many Cybertronians and harvesting them for their body parts, leaving victims alive and aware during the process. When Ultra Magnus and his crew encounter his operation during their search for Alpha Trion, Spinister has Magnus lured to his base and introduces himself by killing one of his harvested prisoners. He reveals he captured Magnus's crew and threatens to subject them to the same fate as his other victims unless Magnus obeys him. Spinister manipulates Magnus into finding a ship filled with bots in stasis who were sold to him by Octane, only for them to turn put to be damaged. Spinister plans to claim bots for splicing and deliver Octane to his boss Soundblaster, while planning to kill Magnus and his crew now that he no longer needs them.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Jul 27th 2024 at 3:46:28 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#16193: Jul 27th 2024 at 3:53:03 PM

I'm gonna use what's in the Drafts, FYI.

BTW, I created a placeholder at the Transformers sandbox.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#16194: Jul 27th 2024 at 4:34:33 PM

Can you Ping the guy who made these changes? And tell him he has to come here first

Edited by miraculous on Jul 27th 2024 at 4:34:51 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#16195: Jul 27th 2024 at 8:33:41 PM

I have a quick question in regards to this candidate:

  • Starman (DC Comics):
    • The first Ragdoll, Peter Merkel, was once just a two-bit thief whose gimmick was being triple jointed. Tired of being a joke, he decided to reinvent himself as a mass-murdering cult leader. Gathering together the lost, the homeless, the addicts together to fuel his growing ego, Merkel decided to revenge himself upon the world and directed multiple murders, making the streets of Opal City run red with blood, with Merkel indiscriminately targeting the innocent, intending to target the innocent families of his enemies. Merkel took advantage of his hold over his cult to take sexual advantage of the women, and hideously abused the resulting children. His son, Peter Merkel Jr., was hideously scarred by his attempts to surgically alter his body to be like his father, and he went so far as to have himself castrated since they "got in the way", only to be rejected by his father anyway. His daughter Alex—eventually the supervillain Junior—suffered worse. Having desired a little girl, Merkel subjected her to horrible sexual, mental and physical abuse. Merkel became despised until his death by the rest of the supervillain community for his treachery and depravity and stands as a unique icon of a former Harmless Villain becoming a genuine terror.

I certainly don't intend to question his candidacy (because wow he is fucked), my question is his placement on the page; he's just listed under Starman, when he appears in several other series and his actions related to Secret Six are listed in his entry. Should he be moved to the recurring villains section or does not do enough besides his Starman appearances?

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Revenant30 Since: Sep, 2023
#16198: Jul 28th 2024 at 3:00:07 AM

Has someone read The Book of Bill recently ?

Edited by Revenant30 on Jul 28th 2024 at 3:01:10 AM

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#16200: Jul 28th 2024 at 5:40:35 AM

Are there any cuts this week?


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