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Old Complete Monster cleanup thread

Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#16151: Jul 26th 2024 at 3:11:01 AM

ACW: I mean that still doesn't make sense. Baron Zemo, Norman Osbourn and Bullseye also appear a lot in the Thunderbolts, but they're still on their more associated characters page. My point is that he was a wolverine villain first and foremost (to the point that he the image on the X-Men page, correct me if I am wrong), so it makes more sense to just list m=him there in my opinion.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 26th 2024 at 9:11:28 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#16152: Jul 26th 2024 at 6:34:51 AM

Shrug, I don't have too strong a stake either way.

Starkrafty, I think that was one of yours, so what say you?

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#16153: Jul 26th 2024 at 11:38:32 AM

I would like to make mention of a writeup on Disney after having seen the musical for the first time (fucking phenomenal BTW)

The main issue I have with this writeup is that it doesn't include the entirety of his acts, and basically eschews it in favor of "eh it happened in the first movie, don't need to include it." Considering other writeups for adaptation characters still include what they did in the first place. Here is a possible replacement.

Any thoughts?

Edited by nwotyzal on Jul 26th 2024 at 11:42:00 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#16154: Jul 26th 2024 at 11:39:21 AM

[tup]

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#16157: Jul 26th 2024 at 11:46:19 AM

I should also note that I saw the revised version, which eliminates Scar being haunted by Mufasa's ghost. Just FYI.

Edited by nwotyzal on Jul 26th 2024 at 11:46:39 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#16158: Jul 26th 2024 at 12:04:32 PM

Can the part of Sinisters entry calling the original Nathaniel Essex being a tragic character in Monster.X Men be removed.

It's revealed he orchestrated all the bad stuff that happened to him in a quest for God hood as Enigma.

Edited by miraculous on Jul 26th 2024 at 12:07:37 PM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#16160: Jul 26th 2024 at 12:28:33 PM

Sure to the rewrite. Please add to the Drafts.

As for Sinister...wait, did the original Essex NOT care for his family??

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#16161: Jul 26th 2024 at 12:42:09 PM

That part is complicated. Thanks to this weird twist. Okay so the original Essex created a Bunch of clones including Enigma in a search for god hood. Enigma would after it a ascended to Godhood orchestrate the events of what happened (Essex it's implied learned in the Asylum what would happen)

As for his family (Nr sinister that we know off cut out his empathy and feelings for them along time ago. Some depending on the writer in the 90's aside). The others vary. Orb doesn't seem to care. Dr Stasis does in a weird twisted manner and Mother Righteous is complicated.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#16162: Jul 26th 2024 at 1:01:42 PM

Good with the Scar rewrite.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#16163: Jul 26th 2024 at 1:19:17 PM

[up][up]Ah, comic continuity 😵‍💫

Mir, I'll let you mess with the Sinister entry (wait, so Enigma!Sinister and main!Sinister are different?).

Edited by ACW on Jul 26th 2024 at 5:49:12 AM

coolmaneditor Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: In love with love
#16164: Jul 26th 2024 at 1:31:11 PM

I'd suggest changing "so he won't accept he's not a good king" to "so he won't have to accept he's not a good king" for clarity.

SarenApologist Since: Jun, 2023
#16165: Jul 26th 2024 at 10:00:41 PM

While we're discussing X-Men, I noticed that Cassandra Nova's entry appears twice on the X-Men page.

Here's my home address, social media, and bank account!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#16166: Jul 26th 2024 at 10:58:22 PM

I've taken care of that in the Sandbox.

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#16167: Jul 27th 2024 at 5:00:19 AM

Question, and direct me to the answer if it's anywhere in the rules: do we have a waiting deadline for when potential cuts have to be proposed like we do for when characters are proposed on the other thread, or could that just happen at any time?

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#16168: Jul 27th 2024 at 5:02:09 AM

Givin cuts also fall under disscusion, we wait until two weeks after work is released to suggest cuts just as we do with proposing new keepers.

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#16169: Jul 27th 2024 at 5:06:38 AM

[up] Unless the work itself that provides grounds for cutting has been around for a while, correct?

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#16171: Jul 27th 2024 at 5:15:49 AM

Alright, thanks.

While it's been at least two weeks since the last chapter came out, I can give the update that the Kingdom Hearts manga incarnations of Ansem Seeker of Darkness and Xemnas, fortunately, will NOT be cut. The Kingdom Hearts III manga cut their Alas, Poor Villain dying moments, in addition to also axing the go-nowhere subplots of Ansem searching for Subject X and Xemnas hoping to reawaken the Keyblade-related pasts of four of his members (both in hopes of taking control away from Master Xehanort) and any mitigating qualities along with them. Neither character did much here to warrant further expansion on the entries, but they stayed just as evil to the end.

Still awaiting how the manga's take on Master Xehanort ends up. If he gets hit with any Adaptational Villainy, I'd be surprised.

Edited by ANewMan on Jul 27th 2024 at 7:16:05 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
InfernalKetchup Joe Bert Inc/DCR from Hampstead Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#16174: Jul 27th 2024 at 8:51:57 AM

Also might have a potential CM image for the recently approved Derek Danforth.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_2024_07_27_114328.png

Other account got hacked I think
PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#16175: Jul 27th 2024 at 10:29:00 AM

Question: Silverblade brought up a post involving a redeeming quality which viewing the scene I can see plays out how it's written. This doesn't feel like Bob Goodall apathetically kidnapping LaCrosse's son to force the latter to chase him and happily leaving the boy to be separated from his father forever with no further comment, the villain directly states he has a standard and backs up his claim.

Edit: For clarity the villain in question is John Bishop from Jane Got a Gun.

Edited by PassingThrough on Jul 27th 2024 at 1:29:26 PM


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