Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Cut Aizen and Yhwach. In the cast of the former, I recall proposing that he be cut based on the Light Novel CFYOW.
Hey guys It's me. Well my suspension has finally been lifted for there's a lot I want to say.
- First off of course I'm back, baby!
- Secondly I just want to say that I was aware that there were plenty of errors found in my EPs and write-up for which resulted in many of my candidates to get cut as a result of them being unvouched and I just want to say thanks for you guys for vouching them on whether they should be cut or keep. Special mention to Robert and especially Ghal-Sur for taking their time and going out of their way to go over the list of my unvouched candidates, It really means a lot to me.
- Now thirdly, I guess that there you guys have mixed feelings about me return which is perfectly understandable, but rest a sure I will do my best to contribute to both cleanup threads and the proposal thread (I would definitely love to help out with the mess I left behind)
In fact, as a token of good gesture there is one candidate of mine that I want to bring up to be cut. That candidate is Riven of a Thousand Voices from Destiny 2 who served as the Arc Villain for the “Forsaken” DLC:
Make no mistake I am happy that she was vouched for when my candidates were brought in question regarding their accuracies, but the latest season "Season Of The Wish" which aired around to after my candidates were vouched for has given Riven some militating factors that can’t be ignored.
Namely, it is revealed that Riven had a mate she truly loved called Taranis and was heartbroken when she was forced to be separated from Taranis during the Great Hunt of their kind (it turns out that this season gives much more detail about Riven’s personal feelings about The Great Hunt than Forsaken ever did) to the point she allowed Oryx to take her and doom the Dream City that Riven was imprisoned while also being sadden that Taranis performed a Heroic Sacrifice to protect the eggs that he and Riven bread together, where Riven’s spirit agrees to help Mara and The Vanguard retrieve the eggs that Taranis spread throughout the Sol System with his sacrifice and entrusts Mara to take care of them, while also revealing her respect for Mara. Here’s the cutscenes from that season
which gives more details regarding Riven’s militating factors. Overall, with these new development I am vouching Riven to be cut. Do you guys agree or not?
Edited by G-Editor on Jul 15th 2024 at 5:28:46 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffCut Riven. Everyone occasionally makes mistakes, I’ve made several myself on these threads, but try to be more careful in the future, G.
Speaking of mistakes, I actually made one in my last CM proposal, the version of Shiki the Golden Lion from This Bites! I said that Shiki and Byrnndi world drop an enlarged battleship on Marineford. Upon rereading that chapter, I realized I was wrong about that. They didn’t drop one massively enlarged battleship on Marineford. They dropped six.
So Shiki’s entry should be changed from this:
- One Piece fanfic This Bites!: Shiki "the Golden Lion", once having tried to conquer the world before being stopped by Gol D. Roger, announces his return by dropping ten fully-crewed battleships on Marine headquarters, killing everyone aboard. Afterwards, he strands the Straw Hat Pirates on his base island of Merveille, where the entire animal population has been mutated to become hyper-aggressive and more efficient at killing by Shiki's underling, Dr. Indigo. Shiki intends to use the mutant animals to destroy the East Blue and everyone in it as revenge for Roger stopping him long ago, using Cross's snail transceiver to force the world to watch the East Blue die, and plans to use Merveille's local village as a testing ground for the beasts. He only relents from trying to kill the Straw Hats when Nami and Perona agree to join his crew, whereupon he tears open the bunker meant to protect the villagers from the beasts, mocking Nami for not having thought to include sparing the villagers in their deal. When Nami and Perona betray him, Shiki, no longer wanting them on his crew, poisons them both. After being defeated by Luffy and Bartolomeo, Shiki is locked in Impel Down, only to be freed by Blackbeard. Joining Blackbeard's crew, Shiki and Byrnndi World drop a massively enlarged battleship on Marineford during the Summit War, and Shiki tries to kill Whitebeard.
To this:
- One Piece fanfic This Bites!: Shiki "the Golden Lion", once having tried to conquer the world before being stopped by Gol D. Roger, announces his return by dropping ten fully-crewed battleships on Marine headquarters, killing everyone aboard. Afterwards, he strands the Straw Hat Pirates on his base island of Merveille, where the entire animal population has been mutated to become hyper-aggressive and more efficient at killing by Shiki's underling, Dr. Indigo. Shiki intends to use the mutant animals to destroy the East Blue and everyone in it as revenge for Roger stopping him long ago, using Cross's snail transceiver to force the world to watch the East Blue die, and plans to use Merveille's local village as a testing ground for the beasts. He only relents from trying to kill the Straw Hats when Nami and Perona agree to join his crew, whereupon he tears open the bunker meant to protect the villagers from the beasts, mocking Nami for not having thought to include sparing the villagers in their deal. When Nami and Perona betray him, Shiki, no longer wanting them on his crew, poisons them both. After being defeated by Luffy and Bartolomeo, Shiki is locked in Impel Down, only to be freed by Blackbeard. Joining Blackbeard's crew, Shiki and Byrnndi World drop six massively enlarged battleships on Marineford during the Summit War, and Shiki tries to kill Whitebeard.
Edited by Critica7 on Jul 15th 2024 at 1:58:40 PM
Check out my current fanfiction project.So a while back, I ha proposed a rewrite for WFC!Megatron's entry
, this got about 3 upvotes but this ended up being buried by the major discussions that had occurred after so would appreciate some more thoughts on it.
YMMV.Animator Vs Animation AVM Shorts Episode 19 Lucky Blocks and YMMV.Animator Vs Animation AVM Shorts Episode 33 Lucky Block Staff are exact duplicates. Similarly to what I've asked here
, since the example contains information from a later episode, should the example be removed from a prior one?
I dunno, that's why I'm asking. I'd assume since the second episode is more recent, and shows the character more malevolent than the first one, the episode would superceed it in example placement.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupIt used to be convention to do the opposite... putting people on the YMMV for the instalment in which they first appeared and I never understood the logic. I concur with your conclusion Amon, just kinda pondering out loud if the site happened to offer guidance. I suppose it doesn't really matter unless someone takes issue with the suggestion though.
Cut Riven. Nobody's perfect, G, and welcome back.
"Thing is, I believe that a single good movie will change your entire life." — Makima | aka Fox | he/she/they

So, for selector infected WIXOSS.
I used the name "Ruko" for the heroine of the show for the EP and its on the entry. The thing is, the oficial english material (especially the most resent ones) have set on writing it as "Ruuko".
Its a minor mistake, it can be corrected?
Edited by KazuyaProta on Jul 15th 2024 at 5:41:10 AM
Watch me destroying my country