Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
It's not the same author, Kubo wasn't the one to write the novels, but he did consult the authors of them and deemed them canon. The thing with Yhwach is still Pragmatic Villainy but he has other issues outside of that.
Edited by TrippEverett on Jul 13th 2024 at 12:16:29 PM
The novels are meant as direct followups to the manga and had their plots laid out by the manga's author (Though the execution is handled by someone else) who says they're canon, not to mention expanding on many things. And, honestly, the repeated attempts to throw out "Depending On The Writer" on manga tie-ins—which are handled very differently from, say, Tabletop Games or western comic books—doesn't work nearly as well in this case. These are direct sequels with a clear place in the timeline, providing flashbacks to the previous material and expanding on things from it.
Speaking of Yhwach, I'm getting to him, folks—give me a while.
Edited by Riley1sCool on Jul 13th 2024 at 12:29:24 PM
A very slight cut to Enter, though I'd be interested in an EP for Messiah and cut Aizen.
And cut Yhwach I guess and if this cut goes through, we're left with 6 entries which isn't enough for a page anymore.
Edited by jlvs200s on Jul 13th 2024 at 9:33:58 PM
"The time has come for every last Shoppe... No! The time has come for the DREAM KINGDOM to bow down to me! Gotcha ! Hee-hee!" | He/HimOkay, yes, Yhwach also needs to go. Fully looking through it, there is brief expansion on his character that indicates more heavily that he's a Well-Intentioned Extremist, something Kubo has always leaned toward, but characters also flat-out establish that Yhwach aimed to save the Soul King, his ancestor, from what he considered a Fate Worse than Death; while they acknowledge that Yhwach's vision for the world might have come first, they also admit that there's no circumstance under which Yhwach wasn't trying to save the Soul King in his own eyes. It was always messy writing and health issues that led Yhwach to CM status and the novels affirm that his motives weren't purely selfish.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Cut Aizen; he can indeed join Xehanort as villains who started out cool but kinda overstayed their welcome and ended up playing a part in a pretty rushed ending.
So we’re also cutting Yhwach? Yeesh, this really has been the year of purging iconic CMs; I know you made a Frieza comparison to someone who is still fine but I would not be surprised at this point if some new material comes out and we do end up chopping him. Who’s next; Palpatine?
Also, does this mean we have to chop the Bleach page since it now has only six characters left?
Edited by MasterN on Jul 13th 2024 at 12:33:03 PM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.I wish to propose a cut. Fused Zamasu from Super Dragon ball heroes.
Now , the reason i propose him is rather simple : i don't think he quite stands out.
His crimes involve him helping hearts succed in his attemp to kill zeno with the universal seed. Just like cumber and the rest of Heart's crew , he does his bidding and fights the warriors of universe 7 and 11.
Now , in the manga it is made clear that the reason zamasu helps hearts is in order to kill zeno , so that his zero mortal plan can continue. In fact in the anime version , zamasu remains loyal and is betrayed by hearts. While in the manga , he attempts and fails to steal the power of universal seed for hinself.
Now , the reason i think he fails the heinous standard is : 1) He never kills anyone on screen and his crimes for the most part are the same as the others working for hearts.
2) His past attempt of the zero mortal plan is mentioned but that simply doesn't make him stand out due to the existance of the crimson masked saiyan aka another version zamasu. He commited the same zero mortals plan in the past , killed 99 versions of goku , destroyed a planet for fun and was planning to commit the zeeo mortals plan in the main timeline as well by killing all of the psuedo mortals in the psuedo universe , since their lives were tied to the mortals in the main universe.
3) He also fails the heinous standard to other characters like mechikabura and fu who threatened multiple timelines and were shown to destroy a universe respectively.
So , with all of that said , i think this version of fused zamasu is a cut.
Edited by TommySlenderman on Jul 13th 2024 at 12:34:37 PM
I was thinking that the anime version of Yhwach wouldn't count due to Adaptational Sympathy, but it seems the character will be going entirely.
We've been cutting a lot of characters this year that were previously assumed to be certified keepers; Acnologia, Hidan, Johann, Cinder Fall, Bellatrix, Hela, and now Aizen and Yhwach.
Edited by TiMBer1566 on Jul 13th 2024 at 3:49:06 PM

How do we know the novels are canon? Same author?
And we're sure Aizen's not fighting Yhwach out of Pragmatic Villainy?