Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
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IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
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- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
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- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
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- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
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Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Hey uh, my cut proposal
is getting a little buried.
Off the heels of my Inhumanoids cut I want to touch up an entry:
Old:
- D'Compose, Metlar's terrifying second-in-command, is a hulking, undead monstrosity who pulled an entire city underground to turn it into his personal domain, killing everyone who lived there and reducing the city's knights into his undead slaves, cursed to wander the ruins of the town forevermore. Able to painfully transform anyone he touches into his undead slaves, D'Compose demonstrates his powers on the noble scientist Sandra Shore and tries to use her to kill her own friends, eagerly decomposing anyone he can whilst aiding Metlar in his conquest. D'Compose's vilest actions come when he has Blackthorne Shore amass countless disaffected teenagers into a cult in his name, reducing them all to his decomposed slaves and having them attack the nearby city, proclaiming his intention to shroud the world in darkness and turn all that lives into the undead.
So, uh, on a rewatch, I have no idea whatsoever where I got the idea D'Compose destroyed the ancient city mentioned in his entry. He's still an easy keeper, but I'm gonna rewrite.
New:
- D'Compose, Metlar's terrifying second-in-command, is a hulking, undead monstrosity who lives in the ruins of a medieval city, where the town's knights serve him in undeath as slaves. Able to painfully transform anyone he touches into his undead slaves, D'Compose demonstrates his powers on the noble scientist Sandra Shore and tries to use her to kill her own friends, and in another instance decomposes a barracks building full of soldiers to aid Metlar in his conquest. D'Compose's vilest actions come not in Metlar's service but on his own initiative; having the wicked Blackthorne Shore amass countless disaffected teenagers into a cult in his name, D'Compose turns them all into his decomposed slaves and unleashes them on the nearby city, proclaiming his intention to shroud the world in darkness and turn all that lives into the undead.
Edited by Starkrafty on Jun 16th 2024 at 12:45:32 PM
Rewrite works.
- Issue #81's "The Mandarin's Robe": Colonel Sen Lin Yang is a cruel officer in the Chinese Communist Army, who uses his position to feed his ego and sadism. Introduced ordering that 46 prisoners they captured be used as troops for his bloody invasion of a town, Yang terrorizes the town's people and has them thrown into labor camps for crimes as small as knowing how to read and write, possessing valuable items, or having relatives in America. When an old man is found in possession of an American pen he got from his son, Yang orders his whole family and all his friends to be sentenced to forced labor. Yang is also a terrible boss, having his soldiers imprisoned or tortured for things as small as trying to stop him from destroying valuable pieces of China's artistic heritage. Yang ultimately proves himself to not truly be loyal to the Communist ideal when he happily embraces a vision of being declared the ruler of China, even proudly wearing a Mandarin robe in a style he ordered burned.
- Issue #119's "Three Eyes Look Earthward!": The cruel Pharaoh Tuponek is actually a member of the shapeshifting Kreleptyn race, aliens who live only for conquest. Tuponek was in charge of an invasion of the planet Sabra, only to abandon his party when they were found out. Stranded on Earth, Kreleptyn killed and replaced the kind-hearted real Tuponek, starting his rule by oredring the execution of all the political prisoners the real Tuponek pardoned. Tuponek triples taxes and has everybody who is unable to pay them thrown into slavery while sending his army to war with neighboring countries, planning to conquer the whole world. Tuponek was overthrown and imprisoned after he executed a painter who discovered his race's signature Third Eye. Freed after thousands of years in prison, Tuponek plans to infiltrate a peace conference between America and the Soviet Union and cause a World War, before trying to escape Earth so he could strike again.
*Phobos is the treacherous Greek god of fear who joins Hecate to avoid becoming irrelevant in the modern world. He pushes for the American army to attack Themyscira and kill countless Amazons while he is under the guise of a human general. When he learns Hecate is battling for control of Wonder Woman’s mind, Phobos organises another destructive attack on Amazon Island and has Steve Trevor and Etta Candy killed in order to cause Diana enough despair for Hecate to take control. To empower Hecate so she can raze the world and rebuild it in her image, Phobos summons his entire pantheon to be killed by her. When Hecate is defeated, Phobos continues to use his human identity to spread fear, inflaming a growing hatred for the female gender created from the war with the Amazons, while declaring war against superheroes. - Superman: Doomsday gives the following duo Adaptational Villainy:
- Lex Luthor is introduced having created cures for ailments such as bird flu, muscular dystrophy, and AIDS, then deliberately watering those cures down so patients will have to pay for a lifetime plan. Luthor's careless poking and prodding at Doomsday's seal ends up releasing the beast, who goes on to kill dozens of people—much to Luthor's apathy, his only concern being to clean up anything that could incriminate him as the one behind Doomsday's rampage. Luthor is psychopathically obsessed with Superman to degrees usually unheard of in other continuities, breeding a clone of Superman, keeping him in line with vicious and invasive physical torture, and keeping a bomb in the clone's head in case Luthor ever decides to kill him. Absolutely bereft of his comic counterpart's usual redeeming qualities, Luthor even icily murders his devoted assistant Mercy Graves when she outlives her usefulness, and plans to Take Over the World with an entire army of genetically bred Supermen who will be obedient to him alone.
- Toyman is a criminal with an unhealthy obsession with children who views the entire world as his plaything. Taking advantage of Superman's death, Toyman uses a giant robot spider to rob banks, then uses the robot to take a school bus full of children hostage, threatening to drop the bus off a building if the cops don't let him keep the money. Lois Lane manages to save most of the kids, but a robot toy on the bus prevents her and one of the children from leaving. Seeing that most of the children he kidnapped have escaped, Toyman attacks Lois and the child. Toyman's robot throws the bus off the building with Lois and the child on board before being captured. Toyman quickly escapes from the police and attacks a day care center, where he kills a 4-year-old.
- Superman Film Series:
- Superman II extended editions Specifically: General Zod is a malevolent Kryptonian who was banished to the Phantom Zone alongside Ursa and Non for murder, mayhem, and attempted overthrowing of the world's leadership. Freed from the Phantom Zone in the present and empowered by the Earth's sun, Zod massacres a team of astronauts before arriving on Earth and beginning to wreak havoc. Zod brutalizes several citizens; kills multiple army soldiers who try to stop his rampage; and orders Non to kill a child who tries to flee. After killing his way into the White House and threatening to wipe out multiple cities if the world doesn't cow to him, Zod targets Superman specifically because he is the son of Jor-El, the one who imprisoned Zod. Planning to kill the entire Daily Planet, use Lois as a hostage, then betray and kill Lex Luthor when he outlives his usefulness, Zod coldly opens fire on the streets of Metropolis and endangers hundreds of citizens solely to torment Superman. Zod ultimately demands Superman kneel before him lest millions of humans die.
- Superman Returns & Superman Returns Prequel issue #3: Lex Luthor is a cruel businessman whose silly sense of humor highlights his sociopathic nature. Having gone to jail for attempting to launch nukes at the California fault line and kill millions as part of an elaborate real estate scam, Luthor seeks revenge on Superman for wasting five years of his life in prison. Upon his release, Luthor cons an old woman out of her inheritance and brags about it to her mourning family. Luthor regularly mistreats his lover Kitty Kowalski, including risking her life as bait for Superman knowing she and several others might die. Viewing himself as a modern day Prometheus, Luthor acquires Superman's Kryptonian Crystals so that he can use them to create his own continent, uncaring that its growth will result in the destruction of a majority of North America and the death of billions. The creation of Luthor’s new continent almost leads to the complete destruction of Metropolis and the near deaths of Lois Lane and her son Jason; meanwhile, Luthor comes close to murdering Superman with a Kryptonite shard.
- Cook-Cook is an Ax-Crazy Fiend who is also considered a cannibal. The Fiends are a brutal group of psychos who torture people for fun, but Cook-Cook is so bad that he is barely tolerated even by the other Fiends. He alternates between burning people alive and raping them, as he did with Corporal Betsy and Pretty Sarah, the latter of whom he disfigured by burning. One day he bought teenage slaves, two girls, a woman and a boy. Cook burned the boy alive and forced the girls and woman to watch, disgusting Dermot, one of the slave traders who sold him the slaves.
- Ivanhoe fanfic When everything goes wrong (Modern Ivanhoe) (link
): Lucas is a politician whose veneer of respectability hides an utterly depraved and remorseless character. He arranges for kidnappings of girls whom he rapes and kills—sometimes after a mocking hunt. After one of his victims, Rebecca, manages to escape, Lucas not only orders a hit on her but also seals up the bunker where the rest of the girls, at least two of whom are still alive, are kept, dooming them to a slow death to ensure there are no witnesses of his crimes. Despite acting fatherly with his henchman Brian, Lucas tries to kill both him and his friend Albert once they want to leave the life of crime and turn against him.
- THE SECRET FORMULA: Mr. Krabs is the beloved owner of the Krusty Krab who's a far cry from his original counterpart. Having turned the public against his long-time business rival, Plankton, Mr. Krabs kidnapped SpongeBob, killed his pet snail Gary for his slime and began harvesting SpongeBob's flesh for ingredients, leaving SpongeBob in torturous pain. When Plankton gives SpongeBob a Mercy Kill, Mr. Krabs taunts his rival before leaving him to rot away inside the room while he goes off to continue to make money.
- The 300 Spartans: Ephialtes, one of the worst traitors in the history of Greece, was ultimately responsible for making the Persian Empire win the Battle Of Thermopylae and allowing their bloody invasion to continue. Discovering the existence of an old goat track that the Persians could use to ambush the Greek vanguard protecting Thermopylae, Ephialtes immediately gets the idea to betray his countrymen for the reward that King Xerxes could offer him, uncaring for the many Greeks that will be killed in the process. Gladly leading the Persians to the passage, his greed results in the massacre of the 300 Spartans and their 700 Thespian allies.
- Colors of Evil: Red (2024): Łukasz Kazarski, known as "Kazar", is a businessman and an owner of a club, as well as a brutal gangster and murderer of young women. In the club, women are given rape pills, and later they are taken to Kazar's house where they are regularly raped and abused before Kazar grows tired of them and murders them. Kazar also makes a bracelet out their skin that he wears. When one of his men laughs at KAZAR'S most recent victim Monika by calling her a cunt, the latter has him tortured and has his balls, eye, and mouth all cut out. Even if he wasn't the actual killer of Monika, police couldn't find a more logical culprit.
- The Hate U Give: King is the leader of the King Lords, the criminal gang responsible for the majority of drug distribution, murders, and other criminal activity occurring in the poverty-ridden neighborhood of Garden Heights. King would coerce gang member Maverick into serving three years in prison for his crimes by ordering his goons to shoot Maverick's daughter Starr, killing Starr's friend. He would also force his wife and daughters to prostitute themselves to his clients and gang members, where a scuffle between them results in a shootout at his party; Starr and Khalil would leave said party, leading to the latter getting killed by a cop. Only concerned with how much unwanted attention Khalil's death would bring to his territory, King tries to keep Starr quiet about the incident, by attempting to kill Starr and her family, setting a store on fire with Starr and her friends inside. Using fear to control people and murdering those that he can't, King represents the worst stereotypes of black people.
- Metamorphosis (2022): Dr. Zhao Bohao is a dyed-in-the-wool Mad Scientist with a pathological obsession with dinosaurs. The Doctor creates dinosaurs and then slaps them together with the DNA of other animals to create a host of Mix-and-Match Critters. The Doctor then locks down his laboratory and deliberately unleashes the dinosaurs so he can watch them massacre the workers—his own minions included, as the Doctor watches with glee when one of his terrified minions tries to bolt and ends up face-to-face with a Velociraptor. In the climax, the Doctor forces the survivors to act as bait for the T. rex under the threat of murdering them all himself, demonstrating this by cruelly killing the resident Bespectacled Cutie while she's in the middle of an asthma attack.
- Mukundan Unni Associates (2022): Mukundan Unni is a self-serving lawyer who is described by the film as "not morally grey like most people; just black." Learning of the ways that ambulance chasers can profit off of patients, Unni begins harassing freshly-wounded people to get them to sign fraudulent insurance claims so Unni can profit. He murders his chief rival in this enterprise, and regularly entertains the idea of killing anyone else who stands in his way. After manipulating countless people and their grieving families in their lowest moments, Unni's fraudulent ways seem set to catch up to him, so he decides to kill himself in the grandest way possible by causing a bus crash that will kill dozens of innocents along with him. When this fails and instead a school bus of teenagers are grievously wounded, Unni leaps at the chance to profit off their suffering, and deliberately sabotages their chances at getting proper treatment so he can get their signatures for Insurance Fraud. Even when one of the kids dies, Unni's only concern is ripping off his mourning family. When Unni's longtime partner Robin requests half of the proceeds, Unni negotiates him down to a third, then kills Robin anyway out of sheer spite.
- No One Gets Out Alive: Becker partook in his family ritual of sacrificing women to the Aztec goddess, Ītzpāpālōtl. When he and his brother, Red, killed their father, Becker continued the sacrifices upon discovering that they rejuvenated his health, forcing Red to lure women to their boarding house for Becker to feed Ītzpāpālōtl, already killing many women as evidence with the amount ghosts trapped in their house. Preparing to make heroine Ambar his latest offering to Ītzpāpālōtl, Becker kills two Romanian women still under his captivity and beats Ambar's uncle to death before attempting to strangle Ambar to death.
- The Rideshare Killer (2022): James Flayhaven is a rich cab industrial investor, who is eventually revealed to be a Serial Killer with an MO of strangling his victims. Intending to put all rideshare platforms out of business, James pretends to take an interest in investing in Julia Altimari, the CEO of Rock n Ride and talks Billy into working for them to use him as a Fall Guy for his crimes. Targeting drivers and passengers alike, James would lure victims out through the rideshare app, strangle the driver, and use the vehicle to pick up passengers who he would also kill, raping at least one of them. Taunting Roham Patel in text about how he is going to kill him, James breaks into his home and does just that. After killing Julia's friends, James leaves Billy Bound and Gagged, intending to kill Julia and her father and release Billy with Julia's DNA on him to frame Billy.
- Ultraviolet (2006): Ferdinand Daxus is the ruthless leader of the Arch-Ministry government. The original progenitor of the Hemophages by infecting himself and spreading the virus, Daxus becomes the Vice Cardinal by initiating the Blood Wars, reducing the Hemophages to only dozens after having them sent to camps to be forcefully dissected, sedated, and transfused, leading to the termination of Violet Song's pregnancy. In the present day, Daxus lures five Hemophages to be shot by his men and has three more combat him later only for them to be killed. Unwilling to lose his position due to his original purpose of destroying the Hemophages being fulfilled, Daxus creates and butchers his clones to spread a new plague to humans. When his sixth clone escapes thanks to Violet and seemingly passes away due to his limited lifespan, Daxus attempts to dissect him.
- Chicago Fire's "The Beating Heart", Chicago Med's "Malignant", & Chicago P.D.'s "Now I'm God": Dr. Dean Reybold (only appearing in "Now I'm God") is a cancer doctor with a dark secret. Reybold is a Serial Killer who has been misdiagnosing his healthy patients with cancer to give them chemo treatments, both to increase his profit from them and to take out his misogynistic hatred of women on them. Reybold's treatments are responsible for various horrific effects on his victims, from bones decaying and limbs and teeth falling, out to the destruction of entire families and eventually death. In the past, Reybold misdiagnosed and overdosed Detective Hank Voight's wife Camille on chemo, leading to her wasting away and dying. When four of his patients discover that Reybold is misdiagnosing them, Reybold responds by poisoning them with chemo, leading to three dying and one falling into a coma. A psychopath who believes that he holds the power of life and death in his hands, Reybold is one of the darkest villains that the Chicago P.D. has faced.
- Beowulf: Grendel is a [[HumanoidAbomination depraved beast who stalks the night looking for humans to butcher and devour for his own sick pleasure. Annoyed by the sounds of celebration coming from Heorot, Grendel begins a campaign of slaughter against the mead hall, killing 30 slumbering men on the first night and many more in ensuing attacks. Murdering "young and old" alike, Grendel partakes in nightly raids of death and destruction over the course of 12 years, leaving the land of King Hrothgar in sorrow and terror. When Beowulf and his Geats arrive to stop the beast, Grendel tries to wipe them all out, and kills one of Beowulf's soldiers in the process.
- Hell Followed With Us, by Andrew Joseph White:
- Reverend Mother Veronica Woodside is the abusive mother of the hero Benji, and one of the most wicked members of the Angelic Movement, a cult universally dedicated to genocide. An eerily prim and serene woman, Mother Woodside presides over all of the Angelic Movement's routine atrocities: cultists are brainwashed and pumped up with the Flood from childhood to condition them into mutated killers, sending them out in death squads to torture and kill any "nonbelievers" that survived Judgment Day. Any hint of disobedience is resolved through torture and murder. Others are used as fodder for the Graces, amalgamated monstrosities fused together by the Flood, every mind used in their gestalt bodies in a constant state of agony. A horrendously abusive mother to her transgender son, Woodside tortures Benji, dehumanizes him, unleashes a death squad to massacre all of his friends in the nearby LGBTQ+ center, and tricks him into attending an Arranged Marriage to make him play the part of dutiful wife. All of this in in preparation to turn her own son into "Seraph," an Angelic Abomination who will wipe out all of humanity left across the Earth.
- High Reverend Father Ian Clevenger was the founder and leader of the Angelic Movement, a group of ecofascist Christian fundamentalists who decreed humanity was in need of another Biblical cleansing. Ian Clevenger commissioned the creation of a horrific virus called the Flood that kills its victims through horrific mutation, then unleashed this virus on New York Times Square and subsequently killed off 99% of all humanity. Although he's long dead by the present day, all of Clevenger's fanatical rhetoric lives on in the remaining Angels who intend to wipe out all remaining human life in Clevenger's name.
- The Kingdom of the Seven Lakes: Morganda is a witch intent on annihilating the benevolent residents of Evidentis Castle. She turns its king into a ghostly creature and sends the castle and all the other people living there into oblivion, but with them staying just conscious enough to realize they are stuck in darkness without their bodies and with nobody to help them. However, Morganda can't touch one part of the castle, the Evidentis Stone, due to it being blessed by a hermit, so she lures innocent boy Alyosha with kisses and promises of marriage to steal the Stone for her. Once Alyosha succeeds, Morganda sends him to die in a burning lake to ensure the irreversible destruction of Evidentis Castle after the Stone is gone.
- Dead Set: Patrick Goad, the producer of Big Brother, proves that under the right conditions, humanity can be the worse threat compared to zombies. When a zombie outbreak occurs, Patrick abandons all of his crew, and later throws a disabled person to a zombie, just to save his own hide. After forcing himself into the Big Brother house, Patrick attempts to create an escape plan that involves using the body parts of the dead houseguests, to everyone's disgust. Tied up when he nearly endangers everyone, Patrick convinces Joplin to free him, taking the survivors hostage and killing one himself. Patrick then has Joplin open the gates which would unleash the zombie hordes, just so that he could escape, but fails and gets everyone killed instead.
- Episode 710: The human trafficker known only by his nickname "Krzywy" ("Crooked") attempts to recruit Karol Kwiatkowski and his younger brother Mateusz who want to escape from an abusive father. Krzywy promises to take them to Hamburg, Germany for free where supposedly, he would provide jobs for them and a better life. In reality, he plans on selling them into slavery. He has done so to plenty of other people, promising them a better life only to sell them into slavery in working camps. In the end, when Karol and Mateusz come to Krzywy and the headmaster of the school, Stanisław Chlebowski, calls the police, Krzywy runs away and threatens Stanisław with a gun.
- Ultraviolet (2017):
- "#elias": Krzysztof "Elias" Górski is the leader of a Breeding Cult containing girls, much of whom were kidnapped as children by Elias, who he imprisoned in his farm to rape and brainwash for years; one of those girls was Maja Braska, who Elias kept as his Sex Slave for 20 years. When a reporter, Szostak, tried to learn about Maja's whereabouts, Elias killed him when Szostak freed one of Elias's victims.
- "#limbo": "Limbo" is a nurse who looks for people on the internet and manipulates them to commit suicide while she films them doing so, before posting said videos on the Dark Web as entertainment for her viewers. Limbo has them killed in pairs, with one pair drowning themselves, another pair shooting themselves, another pair hanging themselves, and another pair injecting themselves with lethal drugs. She also tries to have one pair burn themselves alive, only for her to attempt to burn them herself when they refuse to do so.
- Forgione Productions fan films:
- Uprising (link
): Nicky Cavella is the vile leader of a Human Trafficking operation in New York City. Having women of various ages captured and sold off to terrible fates, Cavella also has some of them cut open to be used as drug mules, including children. Not satisfied with just having New York as his playground, Cavella intends to take his operation global.
- Nightmare (link
): Polly Vasko is a cheery drug dealer who also deals in child pornography, a practice that disgusts many criminals, even ones who deal with her. Preparing to shoot a film as Frank attacks her headquarters, Polly captures him just as he's about to rescue the kids and cheerily offers to have him take part in the film while he's chained up.
- Uprising (link
- Iwa, also known as Iwate, once the humble wife of a samurai's vassal, becomes something far worse once left to stew in her jealousy and hate for years. She allows a young, expectant couple to stay the night at her home, only to slice the young woman open and eat the fetus out of little more than petty envy at their happiness. Iwa doesn't care that the woman she killed was her own daughter. Instead, the gruesome murder sparks a hunger for human flesh, which Iwa indulges even as she becomes a hideous oni by luring in victims under the guise of a kindly old lady. Decades later, her murders reach the point where the locals warn travellers of the man-eating "Goblin of Adachigahara", unaware she was ever human. A monk seeking shelter falls for Iwa's act, but flees in terror when he finds a grisly back room full of human remains in her house. Some versions of her have sympathetic backstories, go mad from grief, or find redemption in the afterlife, but just as many are portrayed as butchers whose thirst for blood overshadows all else.
- Kachi-kachi-Yama (Crackle-Crackle Mountain), aka The Farmer and the Badger: The bake-danuki routinely travels to spoil the crops of an elderly farmer for his own sick pleasure. Caught in a trap and facing the threat of being made into soup, the bake-danuki feigns helplessness to trick the farmer's wife into setting him free. The moment he is released, he murders her, chops the body into pieces, and cooks her into the soup himself. He then disguises himself as her and serves the hapless farmer his "tanuki soup", only to drop the act and gleefully taunt him with the knowledge that he has just eaten his own wife. Far more evil than most tanuki in Japanese folklore, the bake-danuki stoops to levels that rival some of the worst Yōkai in sheer cruelty.
- Survival of the Fittest
- V1: Cody Jenson is a former minor-league hockey player who suffered a career-ending knee injury, something he blames the much more successful Sidney Crosby for, despite the latter having nothing to do with it. Upon being abducted for the titular Death Game, Cody is introduced beating a fellow victim senseless for no adequately explained reason. Moving on to a string of robbery attempts to supplement his poor weapon draw, Jenson would escalate his villainy upon being bested by the duo of Madeline Shirohara and Amanda Jones, as he would rape the former before tearing her throat out with his teeth, followed by him shooting Jones dead. Discovering his rival Sidney Crosby is also on the island, Jenson goes to hunt him down so he can torture the boy to death for being more successful than him. Cutting a bloody swath through the island, Jenson kills anyone in his way—even bisecting a pregnant girl—while developing a similar rivalry with Adam Dodd, the boyfriend of Amanda Jones. Making it to the final four, Cody finally gets his hands on Crosby, mutilating the boy's hand before shooting him dead. Sadistic and petty to an extreme, Jenson's ultimate plan is to gruesomely kill Adam Dodd and then himself, solely as a means of taking that "honour" away from anyone else in order to satisfy his enormous ego.
- V2: Walter Smith is one of over 100 high school students kidnapped for the titular Death Game, and stands out for having a history of murder dating back long before this. A born psychopath, Walter started his killings at the [[EnfantTerrible age of 12, when he butchered one of his caretakers, with his Corrupt Politician father covering it up. This pattern would continue for years, with Walter enacting horrific acts of violence on anyone he could get his hands on, once tearing the eyes out of a gang member before crushing their throat, which brought him and his father into a Gang War. This tenure was ended after Walter tried to rape the older sister of a high-ranking gangster in a drunken fit, with the gang viciously beating him after the fact. Using SOTF as an opportunity to fully let loose, Walter immediately starts attacking his fellow students, trying to kill one with a rock, successfully stabbing another to death after castrating him, and viciously raping his Lust Object Mariavel Varella, later attempting to stab another person to death before Varella kills him.
- Special Episode 0: In a Dark Past: It is the belief of Guildmaster Wigglytuff that bad Pokémon don't exist anywhere, but these two are so wicked as to not even be Pokémon anymore:
- Darkrai is the wicked architect behind the dark and timeless future. Arranging things so that the world will fall into a timeless, ruined state just as he likes it, Darkrai serves as the puppet master behind Primal Dialga by possessing him. When Rampardos becomes too much of a liability to his plans, Darkrai enacts a plan to get rid of him and put another Pokémon in his place. Choosing Duskull as the replacement, Darkrai traps the latter in a dream world where he gaslights and brainwashes him into serving Primal Dialga by using Rampardos as a proxy. Upon discovering Grovyle and company's plan to fix the bad future by going back to the past, Darkrai intervenes by striking them as they travel back in time, separating them and causing Piplup to lose his memory.
- Rampardos is the vicious and cruel initial right-hand to Primal Dialga with aspirations to betray his master and become the strongest Pokémon there is in the dark future. Having wrought havoc upon those he came across in the past, including Espeon's former exploration team, Rampardos first appears before Croconaw and interrogates him about what he was doing before having him killed once he gets the answers he wants. After a failed attempt to kill Dialga, Rampardos retreats to Brine Cave, in the process killing some of his own allies to test his strength. Rampardos then assembles the Sableye forces to perform an assault on Shelter Cave to have a rematch with Espeon. Sending the Sableye to kill all the escaping residents as he fights Espeon, when a Sableye assists in the fight, Rampardos rewards him for his assistance by killing him. After killing Espeon, Rampardos goes to pursue the remaining escapees and brutally kills Cherrim and Gulpin.
- Osmosis Jones revised first draft (link
): We-Khan is a deranged, shapeshifting Hong Kong Virus who shows a low view of human cells and is obsessed with having his "brethren" colonize and overrun the human body. Having killed three humans through an agonizing fever, wiping out trillions of cells in the process, We-Khan disguises himself as Hepatitis as he scopes Frank's body, killing Osmosis Jones' partner Reggie. Coming back to Frank's body, We-Khan slaughtered dozens of living cells, splattering their bodies and sucking their organs out as he tampers with Frank's body heat to try and kill him. Not even his own brethren are safe, as We-Khan slaughters them at a moment's notice if he thinks they're against him. Confronting and trying to kill Osmosis Jones while taunting him over his partner's death, We-Kahn shows himself to be utterly self-centered as he attempts to flee Frank's body to spread himself and continue his killing spree.
- King Aegon IV Targaryen, aka "Aegon the Unworthy", is suspected to have poisoned his own father to ascend to the Iron Throne. His reign marked by spitefulness and hedonism, Aegon abuses his title to satisfy his lust with any woman that he finds mildly interesting, be they married or not. In one notable instance of petty cruelty, Aegon orders Bethany Bracken to be executed upon discovering an affair between her and one of his Kingsguard, but not before having her father killed and forcing her to watch her lover being dismembered. Saving the worst for his own wife, Queen Naerys, Aegon continuously rapes her until she dies in childbirth. Not only a sexual predator but also a warmonger, Aegon constructs mechanical dragons to be used against Dorne—said "dragons" proved to be failures when they exploded and burned hundreds of Aegon's own men. Despising his trueborn son, Daeron II, for opposing his disgusting behavior, Aegon begins favoring his bastard son, Daemon Blackfyre; spreading anti-Daeron propaganda; and, in the end, Aegon legitimizes all of his bastards before dying, all to undermine Daeron's own legitimacy as future king of Westeros. The seeds of conflict planted by Aegon culminate in the Blackfyre Rebellions, civil wars that have plagued the realm for many generations.
- Season 5: Primarch Ruhn is a scheming nobleman within the Breen Imperium who wishes to seize the throne for himself. Ruhn has taken his nephew L'ak and raised him, knowing him to be an heir to the Breen Emperor. Ruhn mistreats his nephew, seeing him as a political tool, rather than family. When L'ak falls in love with a human woman named Moll, Ruhn orders L'ak to kill her and declares a blood bounty on him after he escapes with Moll. Later Ruhn learns that Moll and L'ak are looking for Progenitor technology and Ruhn wants that tech for himself. Michael Burnham is given a vision of the future where Ruhn gets the technology and uses it to destroy the Federation. Learning that the latest clue to the technology is in the Eternal Gallery and Archive, Ruhn threatens to destroy the Archive and everyone in it, if he is not given the map to the technology. Burnham gives him the map, but Ruhn goes back on his word and orders his men to destroy the Archive.
- Knights of the Old Republic Cinematic Universe: Vitiate is an ancient Sith Lord, who seeks to become an all-powerful and immortal god by consuming the Force energy of planets. To do this, he must invade the Republic and the Galaxy. Vitiate engineers the Mandalorian Wars that lead to many deaths, and indirectly resulted in the rise of more dangerous Sith Lords. Vitiate purges the entirety of the Dark Council, even the ones who didn't rebel against him, to send a message to his empire that nobody should mess with him. To restore order on his capital ruling planet, Vitiate cuts off any connection from the outside world, not caring if many of his people might possibly die in the process.
- GrimGrimoire: Calvaros is a Sorcerous Overlord trying for world conquest, using Grimlet's Hell army, his reign ending after many massacres. Sealed in the Tower of Silver Star, Calvaros had his pawn Margarita free him from his prison, killing her after her use, then brutally murdering the residents. Sealed once more after Lillet reverses time, Calvaros would continue his massacre in each loop, ending him either free or killed by Grimlet.
- Half-Life 2: Dr. Wallace Breen, once administrator of Black Mesa, rises to govern humanity after offering his services to the alien Combine. After "saving" Earth, Breen ensures his own power and position is secure. Running a horrifically despotic regime with executions and brutality the norm, Breen intends to cause the end of humankind by halting their reproduction. Trying to stamp out and kill any embers of rebellion by killing or torturing every member of the resistance, Breen attempts to flee the Earth when Gordon Freeman comes for him, planning to allow the Combine to raze Earth while he joins them in a new body.
- Remedy Connected Universe:
- The Dark Presence is the ultimate villain of the Alan Wake series, and the overwhelming evil that plagues Alan's nightmares. A primordial being that has existed for centuries residing in the Dark Place underneath Cauldron Lake, the Dark Presence seeks a way out of its prison so that it can spread darkness across the world. Twisting the minds of its victims and making them its slaves, the Taken, the Dark Presence seeks out artists and forces them to write it a way out, using its reality warping powers to make their writing come to life, while forcing them to participate by holding their loved ones hostage. Making contact with Dr. Emil Hartman to bring it artists and drive them into insanity, the Dark Presence resurrects the poet Thomas Zane's wife Barbara Jagger as its twisted human avatar. Seeking Alan Wake's talents, the Dark Presence holds his wife Alice captive in return for Wake's manuscript, corrupting and enslaving countless Bright Falls townsfolk to retrieve it. Seemingly defeated, the Dark Presence entraps Alan in the Dark Place and creates his new host, a twisted copy of Alan known as Mr. Scratch, to further extend its presence in the real world. As Scratch, the Dark Presence formed the Cult of the Word to terrorize New York City with countless ritual sacrifices, even having a bunch of Lightbearers burned alive in a subway car. Thwarting Alan's attempt to escape the Dark Place by rewriting his latest book, Return, into a horror story that once again endangers Bright Falls, the Dark Presence ultimately seeks the Clicker to try once again to spread his control across the planet.
- Control: The Hiss is a viral, invasive, and malevolent entity that exists as a resonance, and desires to infect all of reality with its essence. Able to hollow out the minds and personalities of those it burrows into, the Hiss orchestrates its escape from Slidescape-36 by possessing Director Trench and driving him insane. Upon infesting the Oldest House, the Hiss turns hundreds of FBC agents into its batteries and thralls, using them to spread itself to more humans and kill any who resist. The Hiss plans to overtake first the Bureau, then the President of the United States, and use his position to spread the Hiss incantation to a global scale. Afterwards, the Hiss hopes to use Altered Items to travel The Multiverse and turn all dimensions into extensions of itself. When Jesse Faden repeatedly interferes in its plans, the Hiss turns multiple people she cares about into its puppets to taunt her, and eventually traps the woman in a cruel illusion that preys on her greatest insecurities. The Hiss goes so far as to corrupt the Nail and endanger reality collapsing in on itself, just to get a leg up on Jesse and the Board.
- Alan Wake & American Nightmare: Mr. Scratch, the Herald of Darkness himself, is an Evil Doppelgänger of Alan Wake born from him interacting with the Dark Place and the negative rumours about him manifesting as a Serial Killer. A servant of the otherworldly beings residing within the Dark Place, Mr. Scratch hopes to unleash them upon the world, for no reason other than wanting to see the chaos and madness of the Dark Place consuming humanity. Along the way, Mr. Scratch videotapes himself brutally murders random victims for his own sadistic pleasure, while having the people of Night Springs be taken by darkness and planning to Kill and Replace the original Alan Wake. Despite being destroyed by Alan, Mr. Scratch returns as an extension of the Dark Presence, his master using him as an avatar in its plans to ruin reality.
- Alan Wake & AWE: Dr. Emil Hartman is an infamous psychiatrist who works with artists, and at first appears to be a passive annoyance. It's soon revealed that he is aware of the Dark Presence and wishes to control its reality warping powers; his clinic is a front to lure in artists and expose them to the Dark Presence as part of his experiments, driving them insane in the process. It also turns out that Hartman was Thomas Zane's assistant, and manipulated Zane into writing his deceased wife back to life, turning her into the Dark Presence's avatar and resulting in countless people being Taken or consumed over the decades. After luring Alan and Alice Wake to Bright Falls, and Alice goes missing, Hartman stages Alice's kidnapping to lure Alan to him. In his clinic, Hartman tries to convince Alan that Alice is dead and everything he experienced is a delusion. In AWE, Hartman arrogantly doubles down on his research after his arrest and brush with death, eventually transforming into a murderous monster himself.
- Baked with Love: The Ewe is a Serial Killer masquerading as a seductive and jubilant lady. Luring in dozens of male and female victims, the Ewe murders them and cooks their bodies into a variety of dishes she memorializes in a scrapbook, her latest victim having his entrails baked into a pie and his blood drunk like wine. A sickening sadist at heart, she keeps mounted trophies and framed photos of her past victims while keeping their corpses for mundane uses, such as cremated ashes as mascara.
- D'Compose, Metlar's terrifying second-in-command, is a hulking, undead monstrosity who lives in the ruins of a medieval city, where the town's knights serve him in undeath as slaves. Able to painfully transform anyone he touches into his undead slaves, D'Compose demonstrates his powers on the noble scientist Sandra Shore and tries to use her to kill her own friends, and in another instance decomposes a barracks building full of soldiers to aid Metlar in his conquest. D'Compose's vilest actions come not in Metlar's service but on his own initiative: Having the wicked Blackthorne Shore amass countless disaffected teenagers into a cult in his name, D'Compose turns them all into his decomposed slaves and unleashes them on the nearby city, proclaiming his intention to shroud the world in darkness and turn all that lives into the undead.
Edited by ACW on Jun 16th 2024 at 4:48:29 AM
Good for the D'Compose rewrite.
Also with the recent revelations on Doctor Who, someone added an entry on the recent episode's YMMV (I've spoilered it for the thread) I've removed it with the reasoning about the 2 week rule and that it needs to be vetted through the threads.
As in remove the post, or just the writeup?
Edited by WetFlannels on Jun 16th 2024 at 11:43:28 AM
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!Can we
Blank that. It hasn't been two weeks yet. And uh yeah if anyone wants to know.
Pm me. As we've got a uh reveal on Doctor Who
the writeup
Edited by miraculous on Jun 16th 2024 at 3:39:23 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Didn't we decide to not include that bit about King representing the worst stereotypes of black people?
"We'll meet again" | 🏳️⚧️Anyone familiar with the below? The entries are very vague on their grander crimes.
- Doctor Who: The Monthly Adventures:
- "Jubilee": Nigel Rochester, President of the English Empire, is one of the more disturbing villains in the Big Finish series, being a Dalek worshipping human in charge of a nightmarishly genocidal and xenophobic empire which attempts to emulate the Daleks in all the worst ways. He remains cheerfully upbeat and affable even when mutilating midgets to fit in his "toy Daleks" or beating his wife for speaking in contractions.
- "Nekromanteia": Wendle Marr begins by sending a fleet of ships and their crew to their deaths, then orders the flagship's commander to die as per his company's protocol. When the guy refuses, he has his assistant prepare to destroy the guy's livelihood and the lives of his family. He later receives funds to help improve the horrid quality of life for the workers on his pet project, but decides to instead pocket the money for himself and kill all the workers once it is finished. He is so evil that even the ship commander—who tries to rape companion Erimem—is more likable than him, with his assistant killing him and making the ship commander CEO of the company instead after his greed nearly causes the destruction of the whole universe.
In regards to the cut/do not cut conversation regarding Volgin and other "Resolved" characters, isn't there an allowance where as long as the "affection" could be interpreted either way, the character can keep? I know I'm not the best person to opine, given my track record of cutting/adding characters is, frankly speaking, quite abysmal, but surely a redeeming quality that's ambiguous enough doesn't have to disqualify someone, right? After all, this is a YMMV trope.
Edited by SarenApologist on Jun 16th 2024 at 8:54:54 AM
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