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Old Complete Monster cleanup thread

Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

NicMasterTrope (Troper in training)
#14376: Jun 2nd 2024 at 6:23:35 PM

Cut AFO after Chapter 423 showed that he genuinely cares for Yoichi even if it is extremely twisted and toxic

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#14377: Jun 2nd 2024 at 6:29:50 PM

Fortis rewrite works!

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#14378: Jun 2nd 2024 at 7:06:35 PM

I thought the Literature.House Of Hell characters are on the cutting block? (for different reasons)

TheWrongOne41 The Clown is in town (*he*/she/they) from Somewhere, Mexico Since: May, 2022 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
The Clown is in town (*he*/she/they)
#14379: Jun 2nd 2024 at 8:54:36 PM

Cut AFO, honestly not being CM does compliment his character for the better.

Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice. (also i'm fluid now)
fanman "To watch it all burn." from Earth-Prime/Earth-1218 Since: Feb, 2022 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
"To watch it all burn."
#14381: Jun 2nd 2024 at 10:16:32 PM

Now that Aku is going up, will the High Priestess be in the same situation as the Raven Keeper with Odin? I haven't seen Season 5 fully and in a while, but is her devotion to Aku genuine?

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#14382: Jun 2nd 2024 at 10:18:09 PM

That was fanaticism and I think Ravok made his points for her staying.

IPP Wick Check created.
fanman "To watch it all burn." from Earth-Prime/Earth-1218 Since: Feb, 2022 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
"To watch it all burn."
#14383: Jun 2nd 2024 at 10:27:45 PM

[up]Oh, whoops. I missed that in Aku's EP.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#14384: Jun 2nd 2024 at 10:53:07 PM

Leaning keep on Sciron. I think there's enough space for two characters to have similar crimes.

Orangutans Since: May, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#14385: Jun 3rd 2024 at 12:06:50 AM

@The Wrong One 41 Yeah he's meant to deconstruct as many supervillain tropes as possible, and if he already ended up deconstructing Magnificent Bastard he'd eventually end up deconstructing Complete Monster.

Edited by Orangutans on Jun 3rd 2024 at 3:07:20 PM

PlatinumOni Since: May, 2021
#14386: Jun 3rd 2024 at 2:08:53 AM

Another Rewrite for a candidate I Proposed for Tai Chi Chasers

OLD

  • Emperor Diga is a demented tyrant motivated by power and control. In his past, he took control of the Dragonoid Empire by manipulating the prince of the Tigeroid Empire, Luva, into joining him and forcing him to be a puppet for his empire's war crimes. To continue his tyranny across the realm, Diga sends his generals to retrieve the Tai Chi Cars across the Human World, and plots to destroy the tree that stabilizes the world to plunge it into chaos and remake it in his own image. Confronting the titular Tai Chi Chasers in his altar, Diga turns himself into a draconic demon and attempts to destroy everything.

NEW

  • Emperor Diga is the psychopathic tyrant with an ambition to recreate the world as himself as a supreme god. As a dragonoid general, he would conjure his magic to turn the imprison Luva into a Nihilistic Warlord before overthrowing the The Dragonoid Empire and wiping out the tigeroid royalty in the process. Diga sends his generals to retrieve the Tai Chi Cards that the Tigeroid Royalty scattered at the human world as last resort, and mercilessly murders his generals who fail their missions. He would attempt to destroy the tree that stabilises the world to plunge it into chaos and destruction and eliminate the Tai Chi Chasers in the process, his cataclysmic ambitions turning even his most loyal supporters to turn his back on him. After attempting to Kill Rai in the middle of his confrontation with Luva at the Altar, he states that human heart is the obstacle to creating a new world and used shadow magic to Attack the kid heroes which would cause all of them to black out and transforms into a draconic demon to desroy the world and recreate it in his own image.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14387: Jun 3rd 2024 at 5:08:59 AM

Rewrites to Drafts please.

I'll cut the House of Hell writeup later today.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#14388: Jun 3rd 2024 at 8:17:17 AM

I take this is an invalid addition?

Edited by Amonimus on Jun 3rd 2024 at 6:17:30 PM

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
#14389: Jun 3rd 2024 at 8:22:05 AM

[tdown] AFO

Why are we cutting the house of hell examples again?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#14390: Jun 3rd 2024 at 8:41:51 AM

[up][up]That's not needed. The entry already mentions he's the most evil of that group.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14391: Jun 3rd 2024 at 10:18:37 AM

[up][up]Kelnor cries over his Master's death; said Master is too generic.

jlvs200s from The Netherlands (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I miss my wife, Tails
#14392: Jun 3rd 2024 at 10:22:51 AM

[up][up][up], [up] Also Kelnor's Master has Moral Agency Issues.

Edited by jlvs200s on Jun 3rd 2024 at 7:23:03 PM

"The time has come for every last Shoppe... No! The time has come for the DREAM KINGDOM to bow down to me! Gotcha ! Hee-hee!" | He/Him
Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Malginel Since: Aug, 2023
#14394: Jun 3rd 2024 at 12:54:46 PM

Cut AFO

Kinda hilarious that he spent his whole life actively trying to embody this trope, but fails, while it's Muscular and a bee that end up making it.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#14395: Jun 3rd 2024 at 2:29:22 PM

Outdone by his own minions in both evil and magnificence.

So, what are we going to do about the What If? Palpantine candidates? I saw that discussion was gonna be moved here but no one has said anything about it.

[down] No, I remember there being discussion about whether some of the What If? videos failed the “substantial plot” criteria because they were more so outlines for plots than actual plots.

Edited by MasterN on Jun 3rd 2024 at 3:18:36 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#14396: Jun 3rd 2024 at 2:42:29 PM

I mean people should take their time with it instead of rushing . [up] I know; I was part of that. If you have one already to discuss, by all means go ahead.

Edited by AustinDR on Jun 3rd 2024 at 4:11:21 AM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#14397: Jun 3rd 2024 at 4:27:13 PM

All I know is that we've gone through this similar song and dance like 3 times now and I'm frankly just confused at this point. "These vids can't have candidates cuz it's just plot outlines, oh but actually Fanscription can, oh and anything that has enough plot, oh but now we need to make sure it's not just someone detailing a fanon theory even if they give it plot", like... I'd really prefer we get this nailed down this time because this isn't the first time this exact kind of topic has happened and I thought we had settled on these kinds of vids/plots being fine, but whatever we decide I'd like to make it crystal clear.

Edited by Ravok on Jun 3rd 2024 at 4:27:46 AM

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
LoreDeluxe Since: May, 2013
#14398: Jun 3rd 2024 at 4:31:34 PM

I fine with the Palpatine proposals in general, but I want them spread out a bit. I say just do one a week or so that everyone doesn't get fatigued. The same thing happened with both a ton of Carnages and multiple fairy tale candidates at a time.

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#14399: Jun 3rd 2024 at 4:37:28 PM

So, I feel like as long as something fits within the site's standards of "tropeable", it's fair game. So like, Fanscription has pages on this site for their videos, Masakox's stuff has pages etc.

Starkrafty keeps bringing up that ET treatment, which I think is fair, because it's not tropeable. It's a piece of trivia. Also, unlike what I've mentioned above it was never intended for a public audience.

That being said, I've not seen any of these Palpatine videos. So I dunno where they fall.

[up] That as well. I didn't vote on most Carnages for the same reason I avoided most Palps: It was just too much.

[down] Who's MM again? I must have missed them, sorry. And yes, I agree, I thought this was resolved. Just wanted to share my reasoning in case I didn't before.

Edited by PolarPhantom on Jun 3rd 2024 at 4:43:41 AM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#14400: Jun 3rd 2024 at 4:39:45 PM

Ultimately, I thought we already solved that: What If vids would need to have a narrative rather than being a script treatment where the narrator just talks throughout about things that are happening. That was one reason that MM was removed because there was nothing to it other than the narrator just saying how he'd hypothetically make a sequel. It would need to have voice work, or illustrations to further give it a finished feeling, and there were some that were written like a fanfic where it is treated more like an audiobook with vividly describing the thoughts of the characters alongside scenes.

Unrelated, but just feel that there also needs to be some serious spacing with these candidates kind of why I was burned out with the aforementioned Carnage proposals.

[up] There was a version of Michael Myers listed but the only problem was that the video was nothing but the narrator explaining his vision of how a potential sequel would play out. There is nothing to it; no representations or anything that would be tropeable.

Edited by AustinDR on Jun 3rd 2024 at 4:49:04 AM


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