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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

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  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#14351: Jun 2nd 2024 at 11:24:30 AM

Also, what does this mean for the two fanfic AFOs?

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Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#14352: Jun 2nd 2024 at 11:25:25 AM

I believe they're completely distinct from canon AFO, like I think they went up before canon AFO did

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Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#14353: Jun 2nd 2024 at 11:27:10 AM

Cut AFO

We can combine the Krangs if that'd be smoother, they do share most of their crimes, tbh. One is the most characterized and "final boss" but his only truly unique-to-himself action is attacking helicopters. Everything else from the mass mutations of humans & the Foot Clan, to summoning the Technodrome, to mutating and using Raph as a puppet is all participated in by the others, so I'd be fine if we did want to just make it one write-up, but I'm not married to it either way.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14354: Jun 2nd 2024 at 12:10:45 PM

The fanfic AFO incarnations should be fine.

I'm fine either way on the Krangs.

PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#14355: Jun 2nd 2024 at 12:16:38 PM

I think merging would be a good idea!

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#14356: Jun 2nd 2024 at 12:32:04 PM

Cut for AFO

I personally prefer Krang one having his own entry. It feels a bit more right to me as he has the most focus to him then the others.

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JG98 Since: Feb, 2014
#14357: Jun 2nd 2024 at 3:46:26 PM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#14358: Jun 2nd 2024 at 3:50:27 PM

[up] Do you actually have an reason to keep him other than just "I don't like the story beat"?

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AmateurStorytime Just a starting content creator from Home Since: Mar, 2024
Just a starting content creator
#14359: Jun 2nd 2024 at 3:51:37 PM

[up][up]The way Deku verbally breaks All For One down makes it very clear that the whole "incomprehensible Demon Lord with no morals" image has always been a facade to hide his loneliness, and there actually are signs of this spread throughout the narrative from the beginning. Horikoshi did not just "pull it out of his ass".

[up]Yeah, that's called spite-voting, and is heavily discouraged, because it isn't taking the work seriously.

EDIT: [nja]

Edited by AmateurStorytime on Jun 2nd 2024 at 3:53:07 AM

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PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#14360: Jun 2nd 2024 at 3:52:59 PM

It’s not a good faith argument. I think hollering and continuing the discussion would be the appropriate response.

Edited by PassingThrough on Jun 2nd 2024 at 6:53:11 AM

Starkrafty Since: Sep, 2017
#14361: Jun 2nd 2024 at 3:54:13 PM

Cut All for One.

And no, we're not qualifying spite votes. Provide a legitimate argument or abstain from the discussion.

Edited by Starkrafty on Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:54:48 AM

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#14362: Jun 2nd 2024 at 3:55:53 PM

Cut AFO

As for the Krangs, personally I'd rather Krang One having his own writeup since he's the definitive leader of the trio (Final Boss and that) but it's ultimately not something to get worked up over if people would rather a joint trio writeup.

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#14363: Jun 2nd 2024 at 3:58:14 PM

To me it just seems strange since writeups go over crimes and they’re all largely working towards the same, just with slightly different roles. I get that he’s the leader but it seems arbitrary to me to give him his own and his siblings a joint one.

JG98 Since: Feb, 2014
#14364: Jun 2nd 2024 at 3:59:15 PM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
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WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#14366: Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:00:15 PM

Also apologies for the double post but a query about this guy from this trio writeup.

  • Sinis, Sciron, and Procrustes are three depraved bandits and killers, with particularly cruel methods of murder, who Theseus encountered on his journey to Athens. Sinis lured in travelers with promises of hospitality only to turn on them and tie them to trees to be painfully ripped apart. Sciron was an elderly man who tricked travelers into washing his feet, only to kick them off a cliff to be eaten alive by a giant turtle lurking far below. Procrustes was a blacksmith and innkeeper who offered promises of rest at his inn, yet would violently stretch those too small to fit in his bed(s) and hack off the limbs of those that were too tall. These three men were all considered particularly vile for violating the concept of xenia, perhaps the greatest taboo in the ancient Greek world.

Classic Mythology is extremely fucked to say the least so whilst the other 2 can get through on uniqueness (as far as I'm aware, more so for the last guy), feeding people to animals isn't. For reference during Heracles labours, IIRC there's a guy that feeds people to his flesh eating horses.

Also violating Xenia isn't a unique thing for the time? Tantalus cut up his own son to feed to the gods to prove they were stupid (backfired lol)

Edited by WetFlannels on Jun 2nd 2024 at 12:05:48 PM

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BillyPeepers92 Since: Jun, 2021
#14367: Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:02:18 PM

[up][up][up] This trope is not a badge of honor. If you hate the direction of the character getting a redeeming trait, then don't participate if you refuse to vote fairly.

Edited by BillyPeepers92 on Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:02:30 AM

AmateurStorytime Just a starting content creator from Home Since: Mar, 2024
Just a starting content creator
#14368: Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:05:07 PM

[up][up][up][up]If that's really how you feel, all I can do is send a holler. This kind of stuff derails the discussion and is exactly what got the last thread locked down.

Edited by AmateurStorytime on Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:09:15 AM

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TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#14369: Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:07:05 PM

I'm ambivalent on what happens with the Krang writeups.

As for the Greek Mythos trio, yeah, Sciron doesn't seem as impressive compared to the other two.

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14370: Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:13:51 PM

Violating xenia may not be unique to those three, but it's still a taboo in Ancient Greece, isn't it?

I'm fine removing Sciron.

Mrph1 MOD he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#14371: Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:15:07 PM

Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard nominations and reviews rely on tropers considering the work factually and reviewing characters in good faith.

We have to assess the characters based on how they're written, not how we'd like them to be written.

With that in mind, posts that are purely complaining about the work or rejecting factual information may be thumped.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 2nd 2024 at 12:15:35 PM

fanman "To watch it all burn." from Earth-Prime/Earth-1218 Since: Feb, 2022 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
"To watch it all burn."
#14372: Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:46:47 PM

Cut AFO

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14373: Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:59:00 PM

Oh, right, what are we doing with that Fighting Fantasy duo?

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#14374: Jun 2nd 2024 at 6:04:55 PM

If Scrion isn’t the only feeder of beasts, cut.

Friendly reminder that we cut candidates on days that end in "y", people.

[down] Rewrite works.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jun 2nd 2024 at 9:25:21 AM

PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#14375: Jun 2nd 2024 at 6:14:57 PM

Quick rewrite suggestion.

Current

  • In Time: Fortis is the wealthy leader of the Minutemen gang who attacks poor districts to rob people of their time for life and take it for himself, and at one point shoots a person In the Back for buying a gun. When the heroes inspire the citizens to stand up against him, Fortis seeks information on them by draining random citizens of their time until he is given intel. Facing off against hero Will Salas, Fortis tries to engage him in a one-sided duel with his men intent to kill Will should he win and threatens to kill Will and his girlfriend after raping her should Will refuse Fortis.

Suggested:

  • In Time: Fortis is the wealthy leader of the Minutemen gang who attacks poor districts to steal people’s time. Having covered his right arm with tattoos to remind himself of his dozens to hundreds of victims, Fortis shows up at a bar to drain Henry Hamilton of his time. Barely stopped by hero Will Salas, Fortis later shoots a person In the Back for buying a gun. When Will and his girlfriend, Sylvia Weis inspire the citizens to stand up against him, Fortis has many rounded up. questioned, and drained one-by-one until someone reveals their location. Ambushing Will, Fortis has him combat in arm wrestling, threatening to kill him and rape Sylvia before disposing her afterwards if he says no. In truth, Fortis secretly plans to have Will murdered anyways by his minions if he beats him.

Thoughts?

Edited by PassingThrough on Jun 2nd 2024 at 9:15:32 AM


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