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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

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Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#14126: May 26th 2024 at 8:39:37 AM

From my understanding Henry's got a weird hangup about sex due to his mother being a prostitute but I don't think that quite gets into mitigating FE territory by itself and while he's screwed up I think it's more to do with his own past than morality and as you mentioned he does kill her himself later. I'm gonna say keep for the first film.

moctezuma2000 Since: Sep, 2018
#14127: May 26th 2024 at 9:12:15 AM

If the sequel is officially published media, it is legally canon to the character's story no matter who wrote it, cut Henry.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#14128: May 26th 2024 at 9:13:59 AM

Cut Buck and Caesar

Keep Henry

LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime Practically my Author Avatar (Season 2) Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#14130: May 26th 2024 at 9:19:57 AM

I'm confused... it's a different team that wrote it. Why is it canon to the first film that doesn't acknowledge it? We don't cut Judge Doom because someone else wrote a comic where he has agency issues.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#14131: May 26th 2024 at 9:33:31 AM

Keep Henry.

[down]Didnt he just distribute it. He didn't write it.

Edited by miraculous on May 26th 2024 at 9:56:01 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14132: May 26th 2024 at 9:47:54 AM

It's odd, because it DOES seem like Parello (who made the second) did have INVOLVEMENT with the first.

PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#14133: May 26th 2024 at 9:54:28 AM

Looking it up I'm seeing that someone was hired to work with distributing the film and then went on to direct the sequel. Personally I think we're stretching too far to weld the films as anything beyond Depending on the Writer and I'm gonna stick with my keep vote.

TiMBer1566 kittykat from Virginia Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
kittykat
#14134: May 26th 2024 at 9:57:00 AM

I'm gonna toss in a keep for Henry.

Rhino8888 from Spain Since: Mar, 2020
#14135: May 26th 2024 at 9:58:07 AM

From what I'm understanding, this is an official and authorized sequel right? Then it having a different team of writers and actors and everything should be irrelevant unless it has been explicitly stated that it is not canon to the original movie.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#14136: May 26th 2024 at 10:52:23 AM

Ngl if no one from the original writers and actors worked on it. Plus the long period of time. I don't really have an issue.

We've always used Depending on the writer for stuff like this. So I don't see why this wouldn't be a valid case if no one involved in the first film was involved in this.

Plus this isn't even the first time we did this for weird film sequels. Rusty nail from joy ride rember?

Edited by miraculous on May 26th 2024 at 10:52:47 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Evanpotter09 Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
TheCosmicCollector Since: Feb, 2023 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14139: May 26th 2024 at 11:23:31 AM

  • Devil May Cry
  • Black Cat Mystery issue #40's "Doomsday!": Kakul is a massive, demonic beast that dwells beneath the earth and longs to feast on humanity. Kakul contacts and enslaves a scientist to prepare his emergence, gleefully anticipating the chaos he will unleash. Eventually emerging from the Earth, the beast goes on an apocalyptic rampage, laying waste to civilization and devouring any human he finds while gloating sadistically. Even then, the remnants of humanity are then condemned to live in Kakul's stomach as he continues his monstrous reign.
  • Where Monsters Lie, written by Kyle Starks: Zel is the seemingly kind, elderly administrator of Wilmhurst, a village designed to serve as a hideout for serial killers in between their sprees. Introduced brutally killing a teenager who escaped from his torturer's house, Zel is revealed to be the brains behind countless massacres throughout the decades, beginning from her time running a motel where she murdered numerous guests in the 60s. When a police raid on the community begins, Zel taunts the lead officer over the deaths of his family in one of the attacks she organised before fleeing amidst the chaos after murdering another officer. Zel orders the community bombed to destroy any evidence, not caring about the lives of the residents and insulting her most loyal henchman for expressing concern. Successfully escaping the destruction, Zel resurfaces at the lead officer's home, ending the comic by pressing him into her servitude after threatening to take his unborn child. The final lines of the story make Zel's intentions to continue harbouring killers and orchestrating the bloodshed of innocents abundantly clear.
  • Lev Gleason Publications:
    • The Claw is a recurring villain across the Lev Gleason universe, a power-hungry monster seeking world domination and widely known as "The World's Worst Villain". Once born in the island nation of Ricca, the Claw has shown to be evil even as a child, and took over his town as a vicious tyrant, casually killing his minions or torturing them with horrific nightmares. Now allying himself with Hitler and the Axis Powers, the Claw sinks ships full of innocents, bombs cities, and gasses civilians en masse as part of his various attempts at conquering the world. In one of his attempts to conquer the United States, the Claw and his forces invade New York, destroying most of the city and orders his minions to kill any survivors. The Claw successfully conquers America with an army of escaped convicts, forcing his enemies to cruel slavery: kidnapped and brainwashed thousands of soldiers and force them to slaughter their allies: built a gigantic war machine he uses to slaughter whole villages and attempts to massacre a military base: and aids Hitler in attempting to decimate all of Britain. The Claw is not limited to large scale atrocities, willing to torture and kill the loved ones of his archenemies, at one point he kick-started a literal Hell on Earth just to kill his foe Daredevil and his friends; tries to torture Daredevil's Love Interest out of spite; and once forced The Ghost to watch as he tortures one of his allies to death. The Claw decides to take matter through his own hands once the Axis starts losing, attempting to massacre a convey of soldiers with a flamethrower until finally capturing the Ghost, with plans to give him a gruesome demise.
    • The Claw: The Claw of the second continuity is just as bad as the original, a vile gargantuan creature hellbent on conquering the world. A cruel master to his slaves, the Claw keeps them in line with a magic crystal that twist their minds into being loyal servants to him, casually sacrificing thousands of them when invading an island owned by the American government. The Claw holds thousands of civilians hostage and threatened to kill each one of them if they don't fulfill his demands. Once this fails, the Claw breaks every criminal loose from prison and brainwashes them in his plan to blow up every bridge in a city, and kill themselves once they're no longer useful to him. The Claw then creates a plague that disfigures the face of his victims, in hopes of diminishing the morale of the US. The Claw has also kidnapped a brilliant scientist, and subjects him to horrible mental torture so he could build him a powerful electrical gun, an act so cruel the scientist was nearly Driven to Suicide. In his final outing, the Claw plans to use bacterial bombs on New York and gas millions to death as part of his planned conquest of the globe.
  • Something is Killing the Children: Charlotte Cutter is a Black Mask from Europe who, like her fellow hunters, kills monsters for a living, but goes far beyond the moral and ethical constraints of any other monster hunter. With a ritual of sipping tea after slaughtering all human witnesses to her monster kills so they'll stop screaming and crying, Cutter is tasked with tracking down and executing Erica Slaughter, which she kicks off by torturing the latter's only remaining friend and Mission Control, Gary, before forcing Erica to listen as she slits his throat. Upon locating Erica in New Mexico as she hunts for a dangerous Duplicitype monster, Cutter lures it out by casually sacrificing a child to it, and upon getting Erica arrested, she declines the chance to just end the hunt there and then by instead framing her for the murder of several police officers. Eventually, during the final confrontation with Erica, Cutter takes the woman and young girl who've been helping her track the monster hostage, stabbing the latter with an arrow meant for Cutter that's been coated in an extremely painful poison, then inflicts the ultimate cruelty on Erica by digging out the implant in her temple that lets her see and hear monsters, leaving her helpless to protect anyone from them; even as she's being beaten to death by Erica, Cutter merely mocks her for being unable to fix the damage done to her life.
  • The Solar Sun: Orgoff the Invincible is a conqueror who took over the land after killing its local lord with a laser gun he stole. Orgoff enslaves any traveler into building a fortress, where they are forced to work under the whip and fight each other every night for leftover food. Every day, Orgoff murders a slave or two just to display his power. He plans to forcibly marry the teenage Floriana and destroy the rebels' camp. When Thorgal saves his life, Orgoff immediately attempts to kill him.
  • The Joker serves as the Big Bad of the series. The Arch-Enemy of Batman, Joker regularly commits crimes solely to torture his nemesis throughout the series. When first establishing himself in Gotham, Joker hijacked Black Mask's organization, and used his influence to torture and murder innocents, with blowing up an entire building and attempting to destroy dozens of buildings throughout the city. In one notable instance, Joker staged a breakout at Arkham Asylum, ensuring the slaughter of as many people as possible. Left dying of a TITAN overdose in the wake of this incident, Joker forces Batman to find a cure for his condition by poisoning more than two thousand people with his infected blood; he also executes Batman's Love Interest, Talia al Ghul, right in front of him. Caring nothing for his subordinates, The Joker regularly abuses his "girlfriend," Harley Quinn, and tortures and murders his henchmen, along with threatening their family members, for fun. Even after his death, flashbacks further show his wicked deeds, such as crippling Barbara Gordon and physically and psychologically torturing Jason Todd for months, then sending Batman videotapes of said torture; this torture resulted in Jason becoming the Arkham Knight. In the digital comic Arkham City: End Game, the Joker rigs fireworks with Joker toxin that kills hundreds. A narcissistic sadist with a pathological need for attention, the Joker is determined to make Gotham forever remember him by writing his name in the city with blood.
  • The Scarecrow, real name Dr. Jonathan Crane, first appears while participating in Joker's plan to take over Arkham Asylum, attempting to Mind Rape Batman several times with his fear toxin; defeated, he threatens to contaminate Gotham's water supply with the toxin simply to spite Batman. Returning in Arkham Knight as the Big Bad, he takes advantage of the power vacuum created by Joker's death and to unite the remaining villains against Batman. After his newest fear toxin causes a diner full of people to rip each other apart, Gotham is evacuated, allowing Scarecrow to manufacture an extremely powerful fear bomb; when this is foiled, he steals a superweapon called the Cloudburst to drive all of Gotham temporarily mad with fear. He leads Batman to believe that his toxin caused Barbara Gordon to kill herself. He then manipulates Commissioner Gordon into betraying Batman, later forcing the disobedient Jim to watch as he drops the still-living Barbara off of a building. Scarecrow's ultimate goal is to create a powerful bomb containing fear toxin before unleashing it on the entire East Coast, happy to send an entire country and millions of people into a murderous rage, creating the "Fear Nation". In the end, he captures Batman and forces Gordon to unmask him on live TV, planning on letting Batman go so he can watch as Gotham is torn apart and everyone he loves is hunted down and killed. All of this was done to completely destroy the myth of the Batman as a savior, and force everyone to experience true fear by destroying their symbol of hope.
  • VanitasKey Appearances, Number XI of the Thirteen Seekers of Darkness, desires to spread darkness across all worlds. His first known attempt would be to possess Ventus and force him to kill Strelitzia and take her place as a Union Leader, causing Ventus to be haunted by nightmares of the deed and tricked into thinking he did it of his own will. Vanitas would then attempt to use Ventus and the data worlds as a means to grow stronger and consume more worlds alongside his brethren. After gaining his own body as Vanitas, he would become Master Xehanort's apprentice and be the forerunner in his cataclysmic plan to restart the Keyblade War by having his Unversed creations cause destruction across multiple worlds to lure Ventus from home, so he could torment and goad him into fighting him to forge the χ-blade and take over his body to begin a war that could "reduce all worlds to nothing". Returning once again for another Keyblade War via time travel, Vanitas restores his heart with the negative emotions of children and begins tormenting his "brothers" Sora and Ventus again so he can once again claim Ven's body. In his final moments, Vanitas decides to reject redemption from his brothers despite having the capacity to do good, showing himself to be the worst out of all the villains in the Kingdom Hearts universe.
  • Dead Money DLC: Father Elijah is the former elder of the Mojave Brotherhood of Steel. His obsession with old-world technology led to him getting most of his Brotherhood died slaughtered at the battle for HELIOS. After fleeing the battle, Elijah sought out the fabled Sierra Madre Casino, a treasure-trove of lost technology which he wanted to use to "wipe the slate clean". In order to obtain the casino's treasures, he kidnapped dozens of people, attached explosive collars to their necks, and blew their heads off unless they acted as Cannon Fodder for the Sierra Madre's defenses. Once the Courier reaches the Sierra Madre, Elijah orders them to kill off the allies that had helped them, and later tries to kill the Courier themself for outliving their usefulness. Elijah's ultimate goal is to use the Sierra Madre's technology to kill off every person in the Mojave, and then build a new nation where every person will be collared and forced to obey him.
  • Come and See: The nameless, young Obersturmfuhrer is an ice-eyed Nazi who stands out as the most inhuman member of the sadistic SS Dirlewanger troop, being even worse than Oskar Dirlewanger himself. Descending on a small town with his unit, the Obersturmfuhrer rounds up the entire populace in a church and gives them an ultimatum: any can leave, but they must abandon their children. The Obersturmfuhrer then torches the entire building to the ground with the screaming population still inside; the one woman who attempts to escape with a child gets sent off by the Obersturmfuhrer to be gang-raped into insanity after her child is tossed back into the church. When he's finally confronted at the end of a gun, the Obersturmfuhrer defiantly spits that his victims deserved it all and need to be wiped out, even remarking he singled out the children to kill them because "problems always start with the kids".
  • Metropolis (Pollock cut): Rotwang, lacking his tragic past, is merely a bitter scientist working under John Masterman. To keep the lower class working themselves to death on Masterman's machines, Rotwang kidnaps the kindly revolutionary Mary to grant her likeness onto the robot Efficiency and has it masquerade as her to destroy her image. When Efficiency rebels and tries to destroy the city, Rotwang tries to shift blame on the real Mary by raping and murdering her before she can tell the truth.
  • Extended cut only: Don Miguel himself is the king of human trafficking in Mexico, who is financing and advising the Martinez brothers' latest operation of kidnapping dozens of young women to be sold into sex slavery. Miguel pridefully boasts that his industry has trafficked 17,000 women in just the last year, and he seems to expand the Martinez brothers' own outfit to a global scale under his banner.
  • Dragons: The Nine Realms Seasons 7-8: Jörmungandr is the darkest, most evil foe that the Dragon Club ever faces. The apex predator to all dragons whose sole desire is to bring about "Ragnarok", Jörmungandr was locked away by Hiccup to save all life in the Nine Realms. Freed from its captivity in the present, Jörmungandr rampages amidst the Realms, destroying the environments and killing as many dragons as it can. Revealed to possess high intelligence and a capability for trickery, Jörmungandr attacks the Night Light dragons, leaving them barely alive so that the Club will spend time protecting them while Jörmungandr attacks the God's Realm. Jörmungandr's final attack is on the I.C.A.R.I.S. base, attempting to kill all humans there before moving on to the rest of the world.
  • Fazbear Frights: Eleanor is a supernatural entity haunting a mannequin and the true mastermind behind nearly all the stories. A monstrous Serial Killer who feeds off the agony of her victims, Eleanor is responsible for murdering dozens of victims in grotesque manners. In her first appearance in the series, Eleanor mutilates and murders a young girl named Sarah who had helped her to steal her organic body parts. The mastermind to many of the grisly murders to occur in the series, Eleanor has decapitated a teenage girl through an animatronic; driven a woman insane and to death; and traps the soul of a deceased boy in his own corpse so he can experience his organs being removed. Each of her victims' souls is trapped in her ball pit where they're forced to experience their horrific fates over and over again. Working alongside serial child murderer William Afton, Eleanor helps him become a monstrous amalgamation that threatens an entire city, only to leave him to die once their plans fail. Ultimately, Eleanor intends to gain the power of "Remnant", planning to use it to superempower herself and spread suffering across the planet.
  • It's Behind You, by Kathryn Foxfield: Veronica is an awkward young goth living in the village near the caves where the titular reality show is being filmed. Having secretly murdered her friend Laurie in the caves and set up her death to have looked like a tragic accident, Veronica infiltrates the caves during the show, determined to stop the evidence from being found, fully intending on killing if she must. Beginning her spree by savagely bludgeoning the cameraman when he catches her, Veronica attempts to kill Laurie's younger brother to stop him from searching for clues to his sister's death. To that end, she murders two teenage girls taking part in the show, attempts to crush the Final Girl with a boulder before pushing her off a cliff, and ultimately kills her apparent crush when he asks questions about the night of the initial murder. Confronting the survivors of her murder spree, Veronica chases them with a meat cleaver, smugly taunting them about how she'll get away with killing them all.
  • Adolpho Fuchs, known as The Nazi, is the right hand of Geraldine Borden and just as much as a depraved sadist as her. A former Nazi scientist who was infamous for running cruel experiments to create Super Soldiers, Fuchs made the design plans of several concentration camps during World War II, with some of his ideas so vile that the Nazis rejected them. Having gotten amnesty from the United States government, Fuchs was hired by Geraldine Borden to get her fertile, but later worked with her to cause pain and misery. Coming up with and creating the torture traps for the horrific playgrounds, Fuchs is responsible for the countless brutal deaths of children, as well as enabling Borden's horrific abuse onto her adopted son, Rock, and shows sadistic glee watching the eight kids fight for their lives while the parents are Forced to Watch.
  • The Quadroon: Dominique Gayarre is a sleazy lawyer who gains the trust of the Besançon family and uses it to drive them deep into debt and steal from them. After the apparent death of Eugenie Besançon's kind overseer, Gayarre brings sadistic pedophile Larkin to replace him. When Larkin tortures the slaves on Eugenie's plantations, Gayarre makes it clear it happens with his own knowledge and approval. Gayarre is obsessed with Aurore, who is Black, and attempts to rape her when she rejects him. It is implied his previous dozen mistresses were also Black slaves he coerced into relationships. Calling in Eugenie's debts, Gayarre arranges for her slaves to be sold at an auction and buys Aurore for himself. After Eugenie and Edward rescue her, Gayarre sends merciless, vicious "man-hunter" Ruffin after them with a pack of hounds trained to hunt escaped slaves. Ruthless, perverted, and a massive hypocrite, Gayarre is so infamous that even fellow slave owners despise him and his goons.
  • "Redemption Cairn": Kratska first appears as the copilot of the Hera. While high on drugs, he causes the ship's crash on return from Europa, killing most of the crew, and pins all the blame for the crash on first pilot Jack Sands. After the government sends a new expedition on the Minos to Europa in the hopes of finding a priceless formula left there by the Hera crew, Kratska infiltrates the expedition in the guise of a biologist named Ivor Gogrol. On Europa, he steals the formula, kills the captain of the Minos, and is ready to leave Jack Sands and agent Stefan Coretti to die a slow death from wounds and hypoxia, kidnapping and brutally beating copilot Claire Avery to force her to plot his course to Io. It is made clear that in addition to pursuing material gains, Kratska gets a sadistic pleasure from killing.
  • "Pros and Cons": Warden Beale is the crooked head of Strikersville Prison. Forcing his prisoners to fight to the death for a paying audience, Beale promises to make the winner a free man, but in actuality, he allows his men to hunt them down for sport, even giving his prisoners an unfair disadvantage so that his men can ambush and kill them easier. With his criminal operation taking the lives of over 14 men, Beale recaptures the escaped Jase and forces him to once again fight for his life.
  • "The Bend in the River" two-parter:
    • Carlos Ritterman is a supposed industrialist who uses his job to hide the fact that he's an escaped Nazi colonel. Hiding out in South America after the war, Ritterman formed the New Reich, hoping to create a nuclear reactor that will unleash worldwide destruction. Partnering with the treasure hunter Doyle to bring him slaves needed for the reactor's completion, Ritterman's plan has led to several deaths and plentiful people enslaved.
    • Doyle is a sleazy, self-centered treasure hunter who partners with Ritterman to bring him slaves and keep his plan a secret. Manipulating the river pirate El Cajón into sinking boats and ships near the river bend, Doyle and El Cajón have the survivors sold as slaves to Ritterman to ensure his plan goes off without a hitch. Doyle also uses his collaboration as an opportunity to search for the lost city of Del Rio, making sure nobody discovers it before him by having potential boats destroyed. When his rival Brian is among the survivors of El Cajón's latest attack, Doyle has him tortured for Del Rio's location, even threatening to kill one of his men's sisters for refusing to help him locate the city, while also looking forward to keeping the captive Bobbi and Tawnia for himself.
  • Breaking Bad franchise: Don Eladio Vuente is the head of the Cartel and the Greater-Scope Villain of the entire franchise. A cheerfully smug gangster who runs The Cartel like a cutthroat business, Eladio is also a cruel bully who threatens waiters with mutilation and mocks the disabilities of others. Eladio oversees a litany of crimes across Mexico and America, from drug trafficking that devastates entire neighborhoods; to the brutal execution of snitches; to bombing DEA agents. Eladio gives free rein to his subordinates, the likes of which include the Salamanca family and Gus Fring, to wreak havoc in their everyday operations so long as they bring him profit, both uncaring and flat-out encouraging of the vicious crimes they get up to. When one of Eladio's top earners in New Mexico is killed, Eladio dispatches the emotionless Cousins to wipe out those responsible, and the Cousins carving a path of destruction along the way. When Gus becomes too independent in his operations, Eladio has several of Gus's employees systematically murdered. Eladio's most sadistic action was his murder of Max, Gus's lover, whom Eladio killed out of petty annoyance before forcing Gus to lay in Max's blood and stare into his partner's eyes as he died. In a setting of immoral characters willing to do almost anything for family, revenge, or love, Eladio stands out as one of the few wholly self-serving characters, whose Cartel has ruined or ended countless lives.
  • "The Angel" is a vampiric beast whose desire to feast on innocents is what brings total terror to Crockett Island. An evil creature trapped inside a Jerusalem cave for years, the Angel puts up a front of holiness to fool Monsignor Pruitt into unleashing it onto the world as his unwitting puppet. The Angel arrives on Crockett and begins picking off civilians, trapping them in a shed and feeding on them for days while it spreads its vampirism to the rest of the population with Pruitt's sacrament. Upon overseeing the mass suicide of Crockett's church that turns most into bloodthirsty beasts, the Angel brutally kicks off a massacre of all those on the island who have not joined its unholy "congregation".
  • CryBaby Lane: The Evil Twin is a wicked spirit drawn to acts of chaos and petty cruelty. A cackling madman, the Evil Twin was a cruel boy in life, and uses his newfound powers to wreak havoc whenever possible, having a liking for possessing the living and making them commit crimes for him—be it vandalism, arson or attempted murder. Upon being accidentally released by two brothers, Carl and Andrew, the Evil Twin possesses a dog and tries to maul a man to death. Proceeding to slowly take control over the population of the town, the Evil Twin makes several attempts on Andrew's life to stop the boy from ending his reign of terror, even trying to dilacerate him and his friend with a combine harvester.
  • "To Battle the Living Planet": Ego is the titular Living Planet and a galactic menace characterized by extreme pettiness and selfishness. Confronting Galactus—who considered Ego a threat to the wider galaxy—and fighting him to a stalemate, Ego was exiled when Galactus attached thrusters to him to send him hurtling into the void, only for the Living Planet to gain control of them and return for revenge. Coming to Earth, Ego mistakenly assumes it is under Galactus's protection and causes multiple natural disasters on its surface, rendering Thor comatose when he attempts to intervene and later attempting to drown the Fantastic Four when they intervene as "vengeance" against his sworn enemy. A being so dangerous he forced Galactus, Thor, and the Fantastic Four to ally with one another, Ego's only reaction to the Devourer's arrival was sadistic pleasure at finishing what he started.
  • Loki is the evil stepbrother of Thor, and is responsible for most of the events that occurred in the first season. Instigating a war between Asgard and the Frost Giants, Loki leads the Frost Giants in conquering Asgard and attempts to kill his brother, only to be defeated and exiled. However, he then engineers a mass breakout in multiple S.H.I.E.L.D. prisons, letting loose the most dangerous and vile criminals on the planet to regularly endanger millions so as to keep Thor distracted. Loki and his forces then proceed to conquer each of the Nine Realms, putting his father Odin into eternal slumber and stealing his power for himself, while having those who resist his rule put in chains to be executed. With the Enchantress acting on his orders, Loki planned to launch a massive invasion force on Earth but was thwarted by the Avengers. When Thor was captured, Loki tortures him with the Odinforce, sparing his brother's life solely so he could helplessly watch Loki triumph. In his confrontation with the Avengers, Loki began to lose control over the Odinforce, but was willing to let his out-of-control power destroy all the Nine Realms out of petty spite. When captured by his reawakened father, Loki showed no repentance for his crimes. With the Enchantress's help, Loki's spirit escapes imprisonment and possesses the powerful Destroyer Armor, proceeding to hunt down the Avengers rendered powerless by the Enchantress's spell. A petty and power-hungry narcissist, Loki derails from his usual acts of mischief into outright evil simply to prove himself as Thor's better.
  • Red Skull, the champion of HYDRA in World War II, kidnapped and enslaved mystical creatures to use them to kill the Allies. When the Nazis lost, Skull opted to kidnap Captain America's teen sidekick Bucky Barnes and torture and brainwash him into the amnesiac assassin the Winter Soldier, faking his death. In modern times, Skull continues his dreams of conquest and hatred of Captain America by posing as the US Secretary of Defense, Dell Rusk, in efforts to discredit the Avengers, as well as recruiting and even brainwashing other underlings. This culminates in Skull unleashing a chemical compound on Manhattan to kill the heroes and civilians; the chemical has been engineered to cause a slow and painful death by making the victim's face turn into a grotesque parody of Skull's own. During a confrontation with a weakened Captain America, the Red Skull batters him before ordering Bucky to execute him, and attempts to kill Bucky when he gives the Captain the antidote. When that plot is foiled and the Red Skull is arrested, he has giant robots dubbed the Sleepers released to reap vengeance upon the world, assembling and taking control of a giant mecha to go on a destructive rampage in Washington, D.C. The Red Skull then reveals his intent to have Captain America brainwashed like Bucky before him.
  • Baron Heinrich Zemo was the founder and leader of HYDRA during World War II. During the war, Zemo attempted to unleash a deadly virus on the Allied forces, but was disfigured by his own virus in a skirmish against Captain America. In the present day, Zemo teamed up with Arnim Zola to get revenge on Captain America, unleashing a monster on Ellis Island. After failing in this pursuit, Zemo forms the Masters of Evil and breaks into Avengers Mansion to capture each of the heroes one by one, promising to Captain America that he will execute his teammates while forcing him to watch. Later on, Zemo uses the Norn Stones to mount an invasion force to ravage the Earth, betraying Enchantress in the process so he could rule alone. When the Enchantress began hunting down the Masters of Evil for their betrayal, Zemo callously abandons his teammates to their doom while going to the Avengers for protection. Confronting the Enchantress, Zemo attempts to use the last Norn Stone to save his own skin, even at the risk of unleashing Surtur to destroy the universe.
  • The Supreme Intelligence is a living computer comprised of an amalgamation of a thousand Kree minds, charged with leading their empire in the endless conquest of countless civilizations. As part of its expansion efforts, the Intelligence regularly has Sentries sent to eliminate threats on planets intended for conquest, with these scouts armed with bombs capable of wiping out all life should the inhabitants prove too troublesome. After repeated efforts to subjugate or exterminate Earth's population, the Intelligence elects to instead use humanity for experiments and dissect the Avengers to exploit their genetic potential, having previously subjected Michael Korvac to similar torture that turned him into an insane mass murderer.
  • Season 2: Surtur is the ruler of Muspelheim and lord of the Fire Demons. Sealed away by Odin many centuries ago, Surtur was freed when the Norn Stone connected to Muspelheim was stolen by Baron Zemo. Once freed, he began his mission to bring about Ragnarok and burn all the Nine Realms to ashes. Surtur arrived at Nidavellir to retrieve fragments of the Twilight Sword being held by the dwarves. He laid waste to Nidavellir, slaughtering most of the dwarf population in the process. Surtur later enslaved the Enchantress and forced her to do his bidding as his new Demon Queen. Surtur's forces terrorized the Korbinites while he used their Sun to reforge the Twilight Sword, and wiped out their homeworld when it went supernova. He possessed the Enchantress when she begged Thor to kill her and boasted how she was beyond Thor's help now. With a thirst for destruction so powerful not even Loki dared to invoke his wrath, Surtur's name was the most feared across all Nine Realms.
  • Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes:
  • Shinka: The Last Eevee (2019 version): Castor is the High Emperor of the Mystics, a cult of Pokémon claiming themselves to be reincarnations of Legendary Pokémon past. Castor continues their clan's hunt for Eeveelutions bearing the runes in ritualistic sacrifice, which has claimed 18 lives, with hero Nick intended as the final sacrifice. The end goal of their rituals is to shield the Mystics as the rest of the world succumbs to the black moss corrupting the Deepwood, a threat instilled by the previous High Emperor. Castor views those outside of the clan as heathens who require privilege to even speak with them, as demonstrated against Callisto and Nick. Castor berates Callisto, a member of the Mystics, for letting her emotions get the better of her, and orders her to kill the apothecaries who had taken her rune stone. Later, when Nick is captured by the Mystics, Castor has his mouth bound for speaking up against them, ordering them not to eat or drink until their death. Finally, Castor unleashes a full-scale assault onto the Deepwood, determined to prevent Nick from purifying the black moss, as well as killing both him and Callisto.
  • Dark gives Adaptational Villainy to the following duo:
    • Lord Ozpin, born Ozma, is Remnant's ruthless and power-hungry dictator. Born without a Semblance, Ozma sought to gain all power and magic to make up for this trait. Learning under Salem and the Four Maidens, Ozma went behind their backs to learn forbidden magic, before sacrificing the Four Maidens' lives to set up a spell to achieve immortality for the sake of his goals. Hijacking countless people's bodies over centuries—with said people remaining fully conscious of this their entire lives—Ozma constantly attempts to kill not only Salem but the Four Maidens' successors, regardless of their age. As Lord Ozpin, Ozma takes over the entirety of Remnant; creates a worldwide dictatorship; enables the slavery of countless Faunus people across the planet; turns Salem into a vegetable to slowly kill her; forcibly drafts children as young as 5 to be sent to his hellish academies to be twisted into becoming Hunstmen and Huntresses loyal to only him; frequently punishes his subordinates with solitary confinement, torture, and death if they fail him; and ultimately plots to absorb all of Remnant's souls to obtain all the magic and power he feels entitled to.
    • Ruby Rose is reimagined as "the Reaper", a psychopathic Serial Killer with ambitions of godhood. Introduced killing her own parents, Ruby then cuts off her half-sister Yang Xiao Long's arms and eyes out of pure sadism. Enslaving her, Ruby humiliates and abuses her on a daily basis for kicks or for minor or imagined offenses and forces her to kill innocents. Breaking into houses, Ruby slaughters the families inside, children and babies included. One case involves her breaking into a barn, killing an old lady, then "violating" a boy to the point he begged for death. Blocking the escape route during Vale's bombing, Ruby tried to kill the survivors who wanted to flee, taking Cinder Fall's eye. Holding a grudge against Neopolitan for having smacked her in the face, Ruby kills her by cutting her in half.
  • What If Darth Maul Was NEVER Cut In Half On Naboo (link): Chancellor Palpatine, also known as Darth Sidious, is once again the Dark Lord of the Sith, determined to rule the galaxy. After Maul returns from Naboo victorious, having killed Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi, Palpatine has him and Count Dooku fight to determine which one of them will be his apprentice. Palpatine organises the Clone Wars, having Maul lead the Separatist Droid Army and kicking the war off by having Separatists invade Coruscant. Palpatine throws the galaxy into three years of bloody war, with around 4,000 Jedi dying in the battle. Palpatine leaks his true identity to the Jedi so he can frame them for treason when they come to arrest him, before activating Order 66 and having almost all of the Jedi killed. When Maul and Dooku turn against him, Palpatine decides they have outlived their usefulness and tries to kill them.
  • What If General Grievous Became The Emperor (link):
  • LIZZIE: Andrew Jackson Borden is the horribly abusive father to Lizzie and Emma. A thoroughly unpleasant man, Andrew keeps his daughters locked away in his home, showing no respect for their autonomy as he chases away any boys that come near the Borden household to keep them under his control. Not stopping with that however, Andrew repeatedly rapes Lizzie, eventually causing her sanity to degrade and driving her to kill him and her stepmother Abby.
  • Starscream is the second-in-command of the Decepticons, whose ambition and sadism differentiates him from his more loyal, honorable teammates. A Torture Technician who takes any opportunity he can to hurt or kill defenseless prisoners, Starscream is introduced coldly punching a hole through the captive Cliffjumper, a murder that Starscream regularly reminisces over to taunt the Autobots. Starscream has a special loathing for humans and always goes above and beyond in the Decepticon attempts at wiping them all out, in one instance trying to use a fusion cannon to kill an entire army. His personally-concocted plans are often unnecessarily cruel just for the sake of it, such as when he tries to flood several human cities; takes the Autobots' children allies as hostages to toy with; turns Skyquake into an undead Terrorcon; and plans the genocide of the newborn Predacons so as to frame it on the Autobots. In his neverending quest for more personal power, Starscream repeatedly tries to murder Megatron and Shockwave; horribly abuses and betrays his partners and minions; and frequently risks the lives of the entire Decepticon army to benefit himself. When Megatron dissolves the Decepticons, Starscream tries to enslave the Minicons to his will and forcefully fuse with them, hoping to murder Megatron and the Autobots before destructively conquering the entire galaxy. Though at times seeming to be capable of kindness, Starscream's motives are always revealed to be self-serving, and there is no line he won't cross nor treachery he won't scheme if it suits his needs.
  • Unicron is an ancient entity that waged a path of destruction across the universe before being plunged into a deep slumber from which the Earth formed around him and gave life to humanity. Upon being awoken by Megatron's efforts, Unicron immediately denounces the loyal Megatron as worthless to him, and reveals his plans to destroy the entire Earth and personally enjoy the annihilation of humankind. Although Unicron is beaten, his essence attaches to Megatron, and soon takes control of Megatron's corpse, in the process barring the Decepticon from the afterlife and keeping him as a toy to be tortured. After sending an undead horde of Predacons to purge Cybertron's core with fire and destroy the entire planet, Unicron attempts to devour the All Spark, the very afterlife of all Cybertronians, as a final spite towards his brother Primus.
  • Black Dragon Bahamut: The Devil King is the leader of the Radical Demons, a group of monsters wanting to rule mankind. Having learned that Abadon's father discovered a way to give humans special powers, the Devil King decides to obtain these powers. Sensing that Abadon has already gained said powers, the Devil King painful drains them from Abadon's body and kills his father when he tries to intervene. Many years later, the Devil King and the other Radical Demons began destroying human towns and threatening to continue with their attack until mankind submits to them. While they initially only killed a part of each town's population and kidnapped the rest, the Devil King eventually concluded that they had enough prisoners, at which point they just murdered all the inhabitants.
  • Exmortis trilogy: Lord Vlaew is a cruel, power-hungry demon lord whose existence predates man and beast. Usurping his brother Azrael and sealing him away in a hellish prison to be tortured for eternity, Vlaew ruled with an iron fist over the lesser entities before being overthrown himself, and ultimately claiming his title of leader of a legion of banished entities he called the Exmortis. Billions of years later, Vlaew has Xavier Rehayem's daughter possessed when he translates the rite required to open the gates to the Crimson Realm, leading her father to kill her. When a hunter stumbles across Rehayem's house a century later, Vlaew torments him to madness until he submits and becomes the Hand of Exmortis, ordering the murder of five Soul Bearers to grant the Exmortis passage to Earth, brutally slaughtering most of the human race in the process. Once his legion becomes disposable to him, Vlaew manipulates Mr. Hannay—killing him when the job is done—into slaying the Hand of Exmortis to banish his demonic brethren, claiming dominion over the Earth Realm himself as a playground of suffering where humanity is struggling to survive and attempts at resistance are met with a gruesome death.
  • Forestia: In this innocent Edutainment Game filled with Funny Animals and other friendly creatures, the Fire Mountain's Morhurl stands out as the terrifying exception. A powerful and cruel sorcerer, Morhurl is heavily implied to have decimated the peacekeepers of Forestia—the Crystal Masters—to steal their magic crystals. Placing a curse on Forestia, Morhurl kills some of its inhabitants and awakens a volcano, planning to use it to wipe out all of Forestiasomething that he succeeds in doing should the player fail to rearrange the magic crystals in the correct order, but not before mocking them for their failure.
  • GigaBash: Rawa is a draconic Titan who centuries ago ruthlessly subjugated the other warring Titans of Tarabak Islandincinerating those who dared challenge him. Worshipped as the Dragon King by the island's human inhabitants, Rawa coerced his followers into mining Giga Crystals and preparing a Violet Elixir he annually consumed to grow larger and more powerful, executing those whose offerings he deemed inferior. Assassinated when a group of rebels made a pact with the slug-like eldritch god Skorak, Rawa was resurrected by his loyal cultists, who continued their offerings of Violet Elixer while using captured members of rival cults as slave labour and sacrifices. In 2009, Rawa began leaving Tarabak Island in search of greater sources of Giga Energy—intent on exacting revenge and reasserting dominance—and was nicknamed the Extinction Dragon by the Global Titan Defense Initiative for his tendency to obliterate entire cities.
  • Jawbreaker: The Faceless Speaker is the appointed leader of the Faceless Gang in New Citadel City. Longing to expand territory, the Faceless Gang gradually took over multiple districts in the city. After coming upon the New Citadel Police Department, the Faceless Speaker and his crew slaughtered all of the officers in and around the building, hoisting up their corpses around the perimeter as a warning to outsiders. When the Protagonist sneaks into the building and is caught trying to steal supplies, the Faceless Speaker orders his crew to seek out and torture him to death, intentionally withholding where the Protagonist is located solely for his own amusement. Even after the Protagonist kills some of his men, the Faceless Speaker remains indifferent, going as far as threatening to lock his crew out of the bunker and allowing the Numb Bodies and soldiers to kill them all for their repeated failures.
  • Pie Game (link): Floor 1 is a disabled person who hides a disturbing sadistic streak. Just like other competitors of Pie Game, Floor 1 joined the previous game, where he killed all of the other competitors within a month to be able to join the current game. With a penchant for manipulation, Floor 1 manipulates Floor 6 to be his puppet, torturing him and sending him to his room, littered by rubbish, when he gets exposed as the puppet master. Causing strife between Floor 3 and Floor 4, Floor 1 sends Floor 3 into the 6th floor to avoid the latter's assassination attempt before crippling him. When Floor 3 and Floor 2 become the only competitors without any physical injuries, Floor 1 conducts an experiment on them, driving floor 2 to insanity. Discovering his former ally, Floor 7, has a child, Floor 1 attempts to "buy" the child purely for the purpose of torturing her in front of her mother. Driven by sadistic pleasure more so than greed, Floor 1 is the only person in the arena to have no redeeming qualities.
  • Pale Lights: Augusto Cerdan, initially just another spoiled infanzon, turns himself into something much darker. Already widely hated for running House Cerdan's properties in Feria District, where he forces those unable to pay the exorbitant rent prices into bed with him, Augusto quickly becomes one of the most despised participants of the Watch's trials when he sacrifices his own servant to escape ravenous spirits, then tries to murder Angharad—along with his brother, his retainer, the woman he seeks to marry, and three others by proxy—when she swears to slay him for the treacherous act. Upon being left for dead for his backstabbing cowardice, Augusto makes a contract with the malevolent Red Maw and gains the power to heal his wounds by regularly draining the flesh of others, setting out to kill the rest of the trial-takers and destroy Cantica village in an alliance with the Red Maw's cultists. An honorless cur to the end, Augusto intends to keep his monstrous contract a secret by leading the cultists to slaughter every last member of the Watch in Three Pines, before sailing back to Sacromonte so he can continue feasting on flesh and take revenge on Ferranda Villazur's family for her vexing him.
  • BraveStarr's "The Price": Dealer is a seemingly-friendly but manipulative dingo hoping to flood all of New Texas with a drug called Spin. Having already poisoned a neighboring community with Spin that left several civilians in constant pain or hospitalized, Dealer moves on to Fort Kerium next, where he approaches three kids and convinces one of them, Jay, into taking Spin. Despite knowing how deadly Spin can be, Dealer keeps provoking Jay into stealing Kerium nuggets for him in exchange for more of the drug, ultimately resulting in Jay having a fatal overdose.

volestud Since: May, 2024
#14140: May 26th 2024 at 11:45:04 AM

Hello everyone,

I noticed this entry listed for The Stupendium:

"THE TOYBOX": Elliot Ludwig is the ruthless head of Playtime Co. Desiring to make advanced toys he could sell, Elliot performed horrid experiments on countless people, even his own employees, to make them into living toys. The process results in them steadily losing their memories, and eventually being driven to murderous insanity.

Now, in the game that this song is based on, we've only seen 3 chapters and a lot of things are still up in the air. One of the main things we don't know is what crimes Elliot Ludwig is actually responsible for. We've definitely seen that the scientists working under him were responsible for horrific acts (one of them, Dr. Harley Sawyer is actually listed as a CM already), but we don't know what Elliot knew about and what he didn't. Right now it seems like he was aware of the creation of Poppy herself and she was created to essentially resurrect his dead daughter, but this is still just a fan thoery.

Now, if the music video made it clear what that he was responsible for the experiments that turned people into living toys he could count, but as far as I can see it doesn't. The lyrics don't mention him and he only appears a couple of times on a TV screen and never says anything incriminating.

Here's the music video if anyone wants to watch it and let me know if I'm missing something.


(edited out a proposal)

Edited by volestud on May 26th 2024 at 11:49:41 AM

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#14141: May 26th 2024 at 11:47:21 AM

I am not so sure that post can be put there.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#14142: May 26th 2024 at 11:47:49 AM

[up][up] That EP belongs on this thread.

Edited by Bullman on May 26th 2024 at 1:48:12 PM

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#14143: May 26th 2024 at 11:47:59 AM

So, two quick things:

  1. The song is listed based on its own merits, not whatever happened in the source material. I saw the video before the proposal and agree that it makes it pretty clear that Elliot is behind the experiments.
  2. This thread isn’t where you propose characters - that’s for the Proposal Thread, which is linked in the OP

volestud Since: May, 2024
#14144: May 26th 2024 at 11:49:08 AM

Okay, I'll post the EP there, but what in the video makes it clear that he's behind the experiments?

Edited by volestud on May 26th 2024 at 11:49:50 AM

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#14145: May 26th 2024 at 11:57:13 AM

He's the boss of the company of the company running the experiments and the only member of the company in the video with no hint that anyone else but him is involved, also the song was made before other stuff in canon were revealed

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volestud Since: May, 2024
#14146: May 26th 2024 at 11:59:43 AM

Okay, it just seems weird to pin everything on him with no proof just because he's the only person in a position of authority that we see.

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#14147: May 26th 2024 at 12:01:00 PM

He's the boss, we only see him, it's weird to assume that the boss isn't involved that somebody we never see or hear about is actually responsible instead of him

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volestud Since: May, 2024
#14148: May 26th 2024 at 12:02:47 PM

I'm not assuming he's innocent, I'm saying that there's no proof that he's guilty. Don't Complete Monsters usually need some proof of their actions and for it not to be all based on assumption? Shouldn't there be at least one line in the song that mentions him?

TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#14149: May 26th 2024 at 12:07:48 PM

I'd think that if he's the boss and leader of the company, if no other figure is mentioned being culpable for the experiments that he'd be the one behind it all.

Also yeah, further developments in canon would not affect Elliot's qualifications in this song; it's no different than any other adaptation in that regard.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
volestud Since: May, 2024
#14150: May 26th 2024 at 12:23:31 PM

I just brought up the game to show that the CEO isn't necessarily responsible for everything that happens in the company, not because it would impact the song if there were clear evidence of wrongdoing in the lyrics or video. I still don't think he should count but I can see I'm in the minority.


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