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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#14001: May 19th 2024 at 10:27:46 AM

Yes, Piccolo is Demon King Piccolo’s son/reincarnation. It’s complicated, just go with it. [nja]

Rewrites look good.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on May 19th 2024 at 1:28:00 PM

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#14002: May 19th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

I'd like to avoid outright stating Eleanor is an agony entity? Namely, the series never actually confirms it. There's implications(And it's the theory I myself believe) but there's not much actually explicit. There's just some brief pondering from Jake about if the chaos at Freddy's could have created her, there's never actually a concrete answer to what she is.

I am fine removing the idea she's an animatronic, maybe just say 'malevolent entity'?

I'll reread some bits on Afton's part before giving thoughts there.

EDIT:Okay so just reread, there's a scene where Larson is going through the memories of stuff Eleanor caused. At one point he goes to the events of. At one point, he finds Williams body as it was in The Man from room 1280, with Eleanor bursting out of Williams body to attack Larson. This implies that Eleanor had been connected to William sense atleast that point.

Nonetheless, the specifics of what she did is unconfirmed. So how about the more neutral statement with this?

"Eleanor assists the spirit of serial child murderer William afton, Eleanor, at one point helping him become a monstrous amalgamation"

Edited by Snoketrope on May 19th 2024 at 1:34:06 AM

Bow to the Prototype
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14003: May 19th 2024 at 12:42:29 PM

  • Lensman: Secret of the Lens: Lord Helmuth is the tyrant ruler of the Boskone Empire who seeks dominion over the entire universe. Helmuth conquers or otherwise destroys entire planets, and keeps the populations of the planets he takes over incapacitated with a mind-numbing Fantastic Drug; thousands of people are put to grueling slavery to keep a steady supply of this drug. Helmuth is also a frighteningly awful boss who executes subordinates, one after another, for seemingly any reason he can think of. In the final battle, Helmuth subjects the hero's Love Interest to agonizing Electric Torture to bait him out.
  • The Island (2005): Dr. Bernard Merrick is seemingly a kind scientist, but is later revealed to be a heartless sociopath who seeks to be viewed as a savior. He has clones in a facility butchered when he views the need as arising, and lies by telling them they'll be sent to the mysterious "Island", while lying to the clones' original source by claiming the clones are brain dead and are not living, sapient beings. When Jordan Two Delta's original donor is dying, Merrick nevertheless tries to have her harvested. Merrick later injects Dehalcynate onto Gandu when he begins to question things and attempts to massacre all the remaining clones under paranoia that they would turn against him and ruin his operations.
  • "Brittle Bones Nicky 2": God and Satan are portrayed as a single entity and a ruthless tyrant who subjugates both Heaven and Hell due to His immense boredom of being good. Rejecting Nicky into Heaven over his rough upbringing and unsympathetic to his pleas, He is revealed to subject the souls to cruel fates for the sins of others, having demonic birds bite and abuse them, which includes Nicky's innocent mother. Ignoring Nicky's objections, God casts Nicky into Hell, where the sinners are forced into cramped cages, harassed by the demonic guards and birds and are left utterly miserable. Meeting Nicky again and revealing His true self, God accepts Nicky's offer to enter Heaven simply to get Nicky to become a servant and commit crimes on Earth on His orders.
  • The Amazing Spider-Man Appearances: "Scribble Man", aka Benjamin Rabin, is a Mad Mathematician who studied ancient Mayan algorithms. After making contact with the Mayan Trickster God Mayep, Rabin plots to sacrifice his assistants to enact a ritual that will merge him with Wayep so he can raze the world. Sacrificing one assistant and plunging New York into a blizzard, he is stopped from completing the ritual by Mayan warriors. Rabin sends Spider-Man to be killed by Wayep after the latter saves him while he almost uses Charlie Cooper to complete the ritual. After his defeat, Rabin is sent to Ryker's Island, where he gathers followers from among the inmates, whom he sacrifices in order to escape and find Spider-Man. He brands both Peter and MJ as sacrifices to Wayep, declaring himself the Emissary before sending them both to a parallel world destroyed by Wayep. After Wayep's death, Rabin absorbs his essence and continues hunting MJ to complete his ascension as god of death and destroy the world. Rabin eventually attacks New York in the form of an icy tornado while unleashing a giant monster on the city, revealing to Mary Jane that her adopted children were constructs he used to bind her to himself before erasing them.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14004: May 19th 2024 at 2:11:46 PM

Also, for X-Men, I'm not potholing all the eps, but making it:

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#14006: May 19th 2024 at 3:45:19 PM

Yeah just cut the character page link. Don't need it.

Edited by miraculous on May 19th 2024 at 3:45:30 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14008: May 19th 2024 at 4:00:07 PM

[up][up]We can use Mushoku Tensei: Rudeus and the Heroines.

[up]Fixed. I replaced the first one with The Caligula and got rid of the other link for that trope.

PassingThrough Since: Feb, 2024
#14009: May 19th 2024 at 4:27:07 PM

On the Skar King can we also lose the end of both writeups that detail his defeat? It's not relevant to him qualifying.

Edited by PassingThrough on May 19th 2024 at 7:27:21 AM

GamerBoy18 Since: Apr, 2022
#14010: May 19th 2024 at 6:46:09 PM

I know it’s a bit early to ask, but do certain recent events in My Hero Academia affect All For One’s status?

Edited by GamerBoy18 on May 20th 2024 at 11:47:16 AM

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#14011: May 19th 2024 at 6:49:59 PM

We wait 2 weeks after something new is released before we talk about it, also MHA is reserved by Riley

"We'll meet again" | 🏳️‍⚧️
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#14012: May 19th 2024 at 9:03:54 PM

Yeah, might wanna blank that out because that statement alone could count as a spoiler. If you are curious, PM whoever has it reserved.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Kronger3124 IT'S TV TIME! from Your Walls Since: Nov, 2023 Relationship Status: Whoa, they're bisexual! I didn't know that!
#14013: May 20th 2024 at 8:18:41 AM

#14002 Good points! Is this okay?

  • Eleanor is a supernatural entity haunting a mannequin and the true mastermind behind nearly all the stories. A monstrous Serial Killer who feeds off the agony of her victims, Eleanor is responsible for murdering dozens of victims in grotesque manners. In her first appearance in the series, Eleanor mutilates and murders a young girl named Sarah who had helped her to steal her organic body parts. The mastermind to many of the grisly murders to occur in the series, Eleanor has decapitated a teenage girl through an animatronic; driven a woman insane and to death; and traps the soul of a deceased boy in his own corpse so he can experience his organs being removed. Each of her victims' souls is trapped in her ballpit where they're forced to experience their horrific fates over and over again. Working alongside serial child murderer William Afton, Eleanor helps him become a monstrous amalgamation that threatens an entire city, only to leave him to die once their plans fail. Ultimately, Eleanor intends to gain the power of "Remnant", planning to use it to superempower herself and spread suffering across the planet.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14015: May 20th 2024 at 12:24:25 PM

Blank it out as in delete it, not just spoiler it.

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#14016: May 20th 2024 at 1:14:59 PM

Rewrite looks good.

Edited by Snoketrope on May 20th 2024 at 1:15:13 AM

Bow to the Prototype
StrainsOfHorror Since: May, 2024
#14017: May 20th 2024 at 3:00:23 PM

I played The Dead Case again last night, and uh... is Hearing Voices an automatic disqualifier? Like are we to assume that the antagonist is insane and has no agency? Because there's a part where Greg Toberen says that with each victim he kills, "another voice is silenced". There's also the matter of him trying to collect a harem for the afterlife. At least a couple Real Life serial killers have said the same thing, but Greg seems like he actually means it, seeing how he's addressing a victim directly and not just copping an insanity plea or being an Attention Whore.

The only thing is that Greg seems to know what he's doing, stalking women and taking pictures of them, drawing hearts over their pictures and an X when he kills them, burying his victims in his basement and burning his wife alive when she finds them... he's certainly Ax-Crazy and delusional, but toys in the attic crazy? I'm not so sure. Thoughts?

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#14018: May 20th 2024 at 3:15:18 PM

Are you sure he doesn’t mean his victims’ voices are silenced? That’s what it sounds like to me.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
StrainsOfHorror Since: May, 2024
#14019: May 20th 2024 at 3:28:30 PM

Yeah, I kinda thought that might be what it means, but couldn't entirely be sure. By the way, I saw you made edits to the page for Perdition. What are your thoughts on Gomadi? Do you think he's still a keep?

EDIT: Found the exact quote.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_2024_05_20_at_52958pm.png

Edited by StrainsOfHorror on May 20th 2024 at 5:30:36 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#14020: May 20th 2024 at 3:44:33 PM

I think he's fine, given that he knows what he's doing. The voice line seems pretty ambiguous, and genuinely believing his victims will be his sex slaves in the afterlife sounds like he's still malicious even if he is crazy.

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#14021: May 20th 2024 at 4:38:10 PM

Very minor correction for the below; I had erroneously said Augusto endangered four others, but it's only three—the fourth had already been abducted shortly before his betrayal.

  • Pale Lights: Augusto Cerdan, initially just another spoiled infanzon, turns himself into something much darker. Already widely hated for running House Cerdan's properties in Feria District, where he forces those unable to pay the exorbitant rent prices into bed with him, Augusto quickly becomes one of the most despised participants of the Watch's trials when he sacrifices his own servant to escape ravenous spirits, then tries to murder Angharad—along with his brother, his retainer, the woman he seeks to marry, and three others by proxy—when she swears to slay him for the treacherous act. Upon being left for dead for his backstabbing cowardice, Augusto makes a contract with the malevolent Red Maw and gains the power to heal his wounds by regularly draining the flesh of others, setting out to kill the rest of the trial-takers and destroy Cantica village in an alliance with the Red Maw's cultists. An honorless cur to the end, Augusto intends to keep his monstrous contract a secret by leading the cultists to slaughter every last member of the Watch in Three Pines, before sailing back to Sacromonte so he can continue feasting on flesh and take revenge on Ferranda Villazur's family for her vexing him.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#14022: May 20th 2024 at 7:11:42 PM

~TiMBer1566, I've removed your reservation for the upcoming Nosferatu film from the Discussion Dates page. The film doesn't release until December at the earliest, and the rules will show that we can only reserve stuff when it is a month out. You did communicate your intentions to reserve on the thread, but that doesn't change that the film is way too far out to reserve at this time.

Edited by Ravok on May 20th 2024 at 7:12:01 AM

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
TiMBer1566 kittykat from Virginia Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
kittykat
#14023: May 20th 2024 at 7:31:31 PM

Alright. Will keep the rules in mind from now on.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#14024: May 21st 2024 at 12:06:46 AM

Quick question: Shouldn't Exar Kun be in the "Multiple Works" folder? I ask because he debuted in the Jedi Academy Trilogy and also appeared in I, Jedi.

Hardcorebatmanfan Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#14025: May 21st 2024 at 2:20:52 AM

His write-up also directly mentions some of his crimes from the Jedi Academy trilogy so I think he probably should go in Multiple Works


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