Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Goku Black
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
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Oh okay so he only cares about it after he is told that he himself is expendable. That makes sense.
Edited by Bullman on Feb 29th 2024 at 2:40:38 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds
Gonna say Keep!song Omega
Keep Fighting. Keep Loving.
Barb / Temporary Kylo
Keep Omega
The First man
A Child from the Stars
Eh, starting to lean toward a weaker keep for song!Omega.
"If we're gonna play Owl House, we're gonna NEED an Owl House!"
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
Will edge for Omega staying.
IPP Wick Check created.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So with Assault!Joker being given his own entry, I guess we should change "Tie-in material only adds to his list of crimes, with his many crimes including trying to blow up Gotham City; and, in the digital comic, Arkham City: End Game, rigging fireworks with Joker toxin that kills hundreds...."
To "In the digital comic Arkham City: End Game, the Joker rigs fireworks with Joker toxin that kills hundreds..."
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The wifi here sucks
So I think I have to cut one of my own candidates from Dice Funk, specifically Saint Luna. Now I’m not fully caught up with the podcast but I’m currently in the middle of Season 8 and honestly, Luna just isn’t bad enough compared to other villains, especially the Big Bad of Season 7 God King Wolfram. Wolfram practices slavery, puts criminals into Gladiator Games, brutally suppresses any rebellion within the kingdom, has trapped millions in an And I Must Scream fate, can inflict a nasty Cruel and Unusual Death on people, and has his castle (which has thousands of occupants) rigged to explode if he’s overthrown. Imo Wolfram does basically everything Luna does but worse and even Luna trying to turn people into immortal slaves feels lacking given Wolfram also practices slavery.
I should compare their resources since that’s the thing that could keep Luna up. Both are rulers of entire countries who are basically omniscient within their lands (Luna via a predictive algorithm and Wolfram through his godly powers) with Luna manipulating the country from the shadows while Wolfram rules directly. Season 4 is set in basically modern times while Season 7 is a post apocalyptic setting with mostly medieval tech. Both are Physical Gods but Luna doesn’t actually have any special powers beyond very limited mind control, instead using advanced tech for his scheming, while Wolfram is way more powerful, with the mass And I Must Scream being the result of his powers and having very powerful magic. Imo even with the difference in resources I don't think Luna stacks up, he's a pragmatic manipulator and thus doesn't go for really big crimes in contrast to Wolfram who's just a straight forward evil tyrant.
Two quick points. Firstly I am planning to EP Wolfram (as well as at least two others) once I’m fully caught up on the podcast, though that probably won’t happen for at least another year. Second, I personally think the other keeper, Gylan, is still fine. He’s a Mook Lieutenant with less than a hundred henchmen in total and him keeping people locked up so they can be drained of their blood is one of the most uniquely messed up things to happen in the podcast and anyone who is worse than him far outstrips him as far as resources go
Here's Luna's write up for reference
- "Valentine" (season 4): Saint Luna is the God of Power, created by Semuanya when he died, who forsook the teachings of his father to pursue immortality and gain the power the gods once had. Founding the Crown Corporation, Luna created a system where people struggle to stay out of poverty, brutal Private Military Contractors oppress people in other countries, and the rich force people to commit dangerous crimes for their amusement. Luna kept his true identity secret by magically puppeteering numerous people over the years. In his experiments to achieve immortality, Luna uploaded a man's mind into a computer, deemed the experiment a failure, and locked the man away. Luna eventually created Project Eternity, which granted people immortality. To expand his power, Luna manipulated Catarina Brooks into murdering dozens of Crown employees, forcing her friends to kill her to stop her rampage. When Team Loser tried to track Luna down, Luna ruined William Graves's life before killing him and another man. Luna's ultimate plan is to release Project Eternity at such a high price that anyone who uses it will be stuck in endless debt, effectively becoming Luna's slave for eternity. After his death, it's revealed that Luna aided Aeron with a plan that got countless more people killed.
Edited by papyru30 on Mar 1st 2024 at 3:02:51 AM
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
Jogo
Luna sounds like a cut to me and I approve of the minor edits to Jonkler Arkham!Joker's writeup.
On an unrelated note, I noticed that some of the image links on ImageLinks.Complete Monster no longer work, among some other issues with the page. I've taken some time to compile a list of images that should probably be removed from the image links and the reason for removal.
- Akudama Drive: Doctor◊ (Image link no longer works)
- Ultraman (Netflix Anime): Alien Adacic◊ (Page image for Monster.Ultra Series)
- Apocalypse: All-New X-Men (2016) (1◊), Apocalypse vs. Dracula (1◊) (Earth-616 Apocalypse was cut by the thread)
- Dark Nights: Death Metal: Robin King: 1◊, 2◊, 3◊, 4◊ (Image links no longer work)
- Ayria from Green Lantern Corps Quarterly #7's "Triumph of the Will" (Image won't load)
- Nalin Oberoi◊ from Spider-Man: India (2004) (Image won't load)
- Sugar Man: X-Man (Annual 1996); New Mutants (July 2011◊) (Sugar Man's original proposer requested his removal due to them not reading his comics)
- 8mm: Machine (Image is no longer available)
- The Green Mile: William "Wild Bill" Wharton (Image can not be fetched from the host site)
- Vampire Circus: Emil◊ (Acces to source page is forbidden)
- Stargate SG-1: Repli-Carter◊ (Image doesn't load)
Edited by jlvs200s on Mar 2nd 2024 at 9:06:43 PM
"Stand proud, Sukuna, you are strong." | He/Him
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Fine with cutting Saint Luna and the non-working images, though the Red Skull one is working just fine for me.
Not the Eye
Cut Saint Luna
Yeah, Saint Luna seems like a cut to me too.
Does anyone know anything about this ?
Edited by Revenant30 on Mar 1st 2024 at 10:07:28 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
It's still in the Sandbox. I requested a swap to re-add it.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
It looks like that page is another victim of the bug where the new edits appear on the edit history but not in the actual page, I made a report for it here.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Well, I hate having to do this, but it's time for me to report my first cut. Not one of mine, but Paula Miner, who unfortunately falls under the lovely trope of "unambiguous redeeming quality hidden inside obscure easter egg".
Basically, there are several files hidden in the main interface that are accessible at different times. The original EP claims Paula "doesn’t exhibit any actual care for them beyond professionalism"... however, one file, 14, which was not brought up in the original EP, says this:
Where are the years going??? >~< Doesn't it feel like ever since we graduated, we're just the same doofy college kids but we're being put into increasingly adult situations?
It's hard to believe how much can happen in just one year...but all of my memories this year are full of reminders why you've been my very best friend for so long. My gratitude for you is higher-reaching than the mountains I'm gonna live in after faking my death. ;p (throwback to you ACTUALLY entertaining that plan after helping me break up with Daphne...to this day I can never tell how serious or joking you are about things...or life in general...but I think I would literally implode if I didn't have you to remind me that things never matter as much as they seem in the moment, and that things will always be okay.)
Imagine if we really do end up working together at Metaverse...that's literally the only way I think I'd be capable of coping with a mundane desk job. I know you said that your referral of me won't go very far because you're not a senior engineer, but...as I'm coming out of my rough patch, it's the future I imagine for myself every day.
I'm sorry for always being such a bundle of stress. I always feel like I want to be doing more for you, because the amount you do for me just seems like more than anything I could give back. You inspire me to always improve. And when I don't believe in myself, I stay motivated to become a better person so that I can deliver all of my best qualities to you.
I love you and I always will, until we face the end of the world together. Wishing for another 14 million years of friendship.
With everlasting love,
Paula
So she and Ive have a genuine Villainous Friendship, and since nothing explicitly points to Paula abandoning her love for Ive once they joined the company (the most is her telling Ive not to care about the suffering Dokis because they're just data and dismissing Ive's ethical concerns, which doesn't specifically contradict her love), and the EP doesn't mention it, I'm saying she has to go. Maybe if Project Libtina ever comes out and we learn more about her superiors, they can potentially count.
By the way, I'm not just using the wiki- I just beat the game myself and saw this file, so I can confirm the wiki info is accurate.
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It was really hard to find, and I did have to use a wiki/walkthrough to do so, but this is why I always check out a wiki to make sure I didn't miss anything.
Edited by MasterN on Mar 1st 2024 at 11:50:32 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds
Slap me in the face I guess I completely overlooked this. Jesus Christ idk what to say, i didn’t have any clue about this email. Shit.
Alright then. Cut to Paula as her original E Per. Now I feel embarrassed for missing this lol
funny thing is I did do that. I scoured the wiki but somehow this just completely missed my radar 💀
Idk how I completely overlooked this but like. Jeez lol
Edited by MermaidEyes15 on Mar 1st 2024 at 2:57:23 PM
Keep Fighting. Keep Loving.
Goku Black
Nah it's okay. Not your fault. This sounds really hidden and easy to miss. No big deal
Cut Paula
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Seriously, you had to somehow know that the file name being 14 meant it was referring to Valentine's Day, and then know that meant to open it at 2:14, after basically having to brute-force each of the tons of internal folders just to find it.
Edited by MasterN on Mar 2nd 2024 at 12:10:51 PM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds
Okay that is just ridiculous at that point lmao what the hell. That’s more funny than anything at this point
Keep Fighting. Keep Loving.
Cut Paula Miner.
I'll agree with what the others are saying - don't worry about this, Anna. This redeeming quality was highly secretive.
Jogo
Cut Paula I guess, though I don't mind that the original EPer missed that due to it being an extremely obscure easter egg.
On an unrelated note, I've removed several of the images mentioned in this post, though I want to get more input on this image:
Also note that I accidentally added a working image of Red Skull in my post, so that image can stay.
Furthermore, Sugar Man was cut by the thread (although it isn't a non-qualifying cut), but he's still listed on Monster.X Men, so is everybody fine with me removing him from Sandbox.Monster X Men? I'll be saving his image links and re-add them to the sandbox when he gets a proper reproposal by the way.
Goku Black
Yeah remove sugar man for now. I think Geode said he was checking him and Hodge
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Cut Paula Miner.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
I found this entry regarding Keegan:
I have never seen this movie, but this seems like a big thing if it is accurate. Though it could be misreading the scene. Has anyone seen this movie?
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread