Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Would I be able to reserve Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire? Never mind. One month to go.
Edited by Arawn999 on Feb 15th 2024 at 6:49:40 AM
Ah... shoot. Could've sworn it was coming out in March. EDIT: It is coming out in March... at least in most places. March 27th internationally, and March 29th in the United States.
And while the discussion date falls in April the reservation can be made 1 month in advance. So I just have to wait a few weeks.
Edited by Arawn999 on Feb 21st 2024 at 2:56:00 AM
Found and removed this on Creepshow S 1 E 12 By The Silver Water Of Lake Champlain.
- Complete Monster: Chet, a sadistic 'Nam veteran who got together with Leigh to drink away the insurance payout she got when her late husband, who he callously mocks, died in the midst of his pursuit of Champ. He's also violently abusive towards Thomas and Rose (being so threatening to the former because he's hinted to be sexually attracted to the latter), going so far as to kill them both when they stop him from selfishly stealing Rose's proof of Champ's dead baby for himself.
Haven't seen the episode, but while Chet sounds nasty, as far as I can find he wasn’t brought up on any thread.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."- Tekken series:
- Azazel the Rectifier, the "original Devil", is an ancient demon who was sealed away by ancient people from the East after controlling mankind for centuries. Empowering humans to serve him, Azazel is the source of the "Devil Gene" and thus the true source for all the evil the Mishimas have wrought. To escape confinement, Azazel tries to tempt Jin Kazama to spread war and conflict to fuel his escape. Confronted by Lars in his temple, Azazel claims mankind is bound to him and later proclaims that he is greater than any being on Earth before attempting to destroy the world. Revived by Kazuya Mishima in Tekken 8, Azazel tries to "reward" him by attempting to consume Kazuya.
Thanks to mir for leaving this to me. Azazel will be moved to the top of the tree, above Bryan.
I also found and removed this from Creepshow Twittering From The Circus Of The Dead
- Complete Monster: The staff of the titular circus, who use the zombies at their disposal to amuse themselves by horribly killing them and siccing them on what few audience members show up at their shows. They also kidnap a random woman from their audiences and deem her the latest ringmistress, forcing her to fight for her life against the zombies for their sick pleasures.
Might be worth checking to see if anymore of these were added, considering that's two unauthorized examples form the same series.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
I stumbled across an example on YMMV.Stephanie Plum that looked unapproved due to its use of Word Cruft. It seems like the example actually was approved, but was later edited without consensus. The unapproved sections (which aren't on Monster.Literature N To S) are in bold:
- Complete Monster: Benito Ramirez is a violent boxer who absolutely loves to torture, rape, and mutilate women both because he can, and because he likes to make a point that he's so powerful that he can do whatever he wants, to whomever he wants, whenever he wants. In the first book, One For The Money, he stalks Stephanie, even, at one point, calling her in the middle of the night and leaving a taunting voicemail that's being recorded as he assaults a pleading, screaming woman. Later, he rapes and brutalizes Lula, a prostitute whom Stephanie had spoken to about Ramirez earlier that day, and leaves her bloody, unconscious, naked body tied up on Stephanie's balcony. Worst of all, he's considered a hero in the Burg (Local kid makes it big!), and almost everyone in the area either refuses to believe how bad he is, or downplays his actions. Pretty much a woman's most horrible nightmare. In the fifth book, High Five, he goes on parole claiming to having reformed, only to resume stalking Stephanie and trying to break into her apartment, now having added religion to his motivation to attack her, making him even scarier and less capable of being reasoned with.
I'm not familiar with this series, but those additions look unnecessary to me. Maybe something about him being considered a local hero could be potholed to Villain with Good Publicity somewhere, but that might just make the example more bloated when it's already quite long.
Ok the date for is to talk about Suicide Sqaud Kill the Justice League is here and as of now no one counts. Brainiac should in theory count given he absolutely blows the heinous standard of the Arkhamverse out of the water with him killing millions in Metropolis, brainwashing the League, and trying to wipe out all life on earth to make it more like his him planet and reveals he plans on doing this to every universe. The problem? The Branaic we see is not the only one leading the multiversal conquest, there are 13 Brainiacs all working together who basically commit all the same crimes and there is no clear leader of this group meaning they all fail to each other. In theory in future updates we found learn more but as of now all the Brainiacs are a no go until we learn more about them
Now the real reason we are here is to talk about how this game affects current C Ms in the Arkhamverse. Now thankfully given Brainiac is leaps and bounds above every other Arkhamverse villains in scope and resources heinousness is not an issue. I am mainly talking about the returning Penguin and Riddler. Riddler doesn’t really do anything beyond force the Sqaud ti solve his riddles and doesn’t do anything to compromise his CM status as while he is still kinda of pathetic the Squad and narrative treat him as a threat
Arkhamverse Penguin on the other hand I am actually advocating we cut. While him helping the Squad is not redeeming as he was forced to via a nano bomb in the head his actual issue is being a butt monkey. The Squad practically treat him like a punching bag there is even a gag where Penguin tries to run away and they have Waller shock him till he is unconscious only to have the Squad keep having Walker shock him by falsely saying he his still running, making him again a punching bag. And later on we see him getting utterly bullied by child Ivy and kicked around to the point he asks Harely to kill him then have to put up with Child Ivy’s antics.
This man is no longer treated as an actual threat or vile person and just comic relief. and given City and Knight already had scenes of him being played for laugh based off how pathetic it is I can not see us keeping him and I call for a cut
Edited by YorkobeShounen on Feb 16th 2024 at 3:40:26 AM
So, basically, this is another Caesar Clown situation? Cut the Penguin then.
Wouldn’t exactly same as Ceaser Clown
It’s more that he had moments before of being played as a joke but not it’s gotten to a point where he isn’t taken seriously at all
A bit different from Ceaser who stopped being taken seriously the second he was defeated
Either way a cut
Edited by YorkobeShounen on Feb 16th 2024 at 10:27:18 AM
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Cut him, I guess. Yet another instance of “lol wacky humor” undercutting what should be a serious villain, if you ask me.
Also, just gonna ask one more time because I never got any replies; the coach from The Karaoke was an Echidna EP and was never formally cut; I vouched for him, but one troper said that wasn’t enough and someone had to make an EP. I can do so real quick, but does he need to be cut? Because he’s still up.
Edited by MasterN on Feb 16th 2024 at 12:46:00 PM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Yes, you need to offer it. The point is not so much that the information may be inaccurate (although this also exists), but that this is plagiarism and a normal, correct EP is needed. Thanks for your commitment, but still need to make an offer. All candidates that matter should get re-offered as in the case of Vanitas and the Roblox villain.
One might ask, who was the participant who said that this was not enough? Just curious.
And honestly...I'm tired of all these examples of this plagiaristic user still remaining on the page and not removed. They need to be removed. And although I personally did not want to delete the examples at first for my own reasons, it seems that no one is going to do this. In this case, I will simply remove all these examples once and for all and only allow them to be added again after they receive a good faith re-offer.
Edited by Ghal-Sur on Feb 16th 2024 at 2:51:33 AM

Okay folks, I've got work today, and then tomorrow I'm leaving on a trip and won't be back until Sunday my time. I'll have my phone, but trying to edit pages can be a pain. So, I'm submitting a shorter batch before I leave. The Pokémon stuff will go next week.