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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#11976: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:32:56 AM

Kinda leaning cut tbh. Based on what Amonius is saying it sounds like the Voice.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#11977: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:37:18 AM

The Voice from The Belko Experiment? Where he's the Big Bad...but ultimately just a cog in the system?

Mr-ex777 Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#11978: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:38:38 AM

This actually reminds me of more like the Lo Po Bia Ren or O'Brien (1984) sort of situation.

Edited by Mr-ex777 on Jan 25th 2024 at 9:38:44 PM

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#11979: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:39:24 AM

Monokuma would actually count as competition given we Know for a fact he was in other games like the 52 which is plot relevant

Cut Tsumugi in that case

Mr-ex777 Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#11980: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:40:32 AM

[up] The biggest concern though, is if he's played for laughs at times, which I actually forgot. I remember he sometimes is and it's not just Laughably Evil.


[down] I see

Edited by Mr-ex777 on Jan 25th 2024 at 9:43:42 PM

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#11981: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:43:19 AM

It’s the same Ai even if a body gets destroyed

Plus Monokubs remembers the other games so it’s the same in throughout all of it

It’s shown to be different from the Monokubs that don’t keep their memories

[up]Yeah that was my issue is if he is played for laughs or not. There are undoubtedly times he is dead serious and he was a threat overall. But I could see the argument for it being too much

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Jan 25th 2024 at 5:44:38 AM

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#11982: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:48:35 AM

If the stuff with the death games and his part in it are played seriously I think he should be good from what I am hearing.

Bow to the Prototype
Mr-ex777 Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#11983: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:50:39 AM

[up] Only if the new Laughably Evil rules are in effect I suppose. We have villains that are legitimate threats that cannot qualify because they are too ridiculous at times.

Edited by Mr-ex777 on Jan 25th 2024 at 9:51:13 PM

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#11984: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:50:53 AM

[up][up]Yeah the executions are pretty messed up that he innacts plus him mocking the last over their friends death. Plus the class show absolute disgust over his crimes

He is still funny though so I am not going to dismiss the concern yet

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Jan 25th 2024 at 5:51:15 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#11985: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:51:44 AM

I'd hear him out, I know the previous instalments and after Junko I know DR knows to make a seemingly silly villain get serious, if over the top, when it's killing time!

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#11986: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:56:26 AM

It also helps that after the Mastermind reveal Monokuma is still around and takes sadistic joy In tormenting the students over their realization that they are just fictional characters

[up][up]I mean i don’t think the concept is of Monokubs wound make him not serious enough

I think him once having an unhinged rant about how much he hates Sonic the Hedgehog might be more of an issue

Or him lacking motivation for half of chapter 4 and becoming bored (although this probably was just some to piss of the students, which honestly seems like the motive behind most of this random stuff)

I will at least say it’s not a Jack Horner situation where his crimes himself are too over the top to be taken seriously

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Jan 25th 2024 at 6:02:27 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#11987: Jan 25th 2024 at 6:05:44 AM

I'm gonna be forgiving thanks to the tone of Danganronpa in general... is he any sillier than Junko herself?

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#11988: Jan 25th 2024 at 6:09:00 AM

I mean in the first game Monokuma was literally Junko

Junko is pretty over the top herself

The second game had her making commetd about his big her breasts were or stiff or making anime references out of no where

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Jan 25th 2024 at 6:09:56 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#11989: Jan 25th 2024 at 6:10:30 AM

I'm aware... clearly this one is a separate entity. My question is if there's anything that makes you more concerned about this version keeping under the played seriously criteria compared to her/her Monokuma puppet?

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#11990: Jan 25th 2024 at 6:14:54 AM

Ehhh

Not really

Any instances of him him look like a non threat or something either turn out to be a lie on his end or he immediately pulls out the rug and reveals how evil he is

Like when it looks like he got killed by his on Monokubs by accident only fir him to come back casually later, then he threatens to have the entire cast massacred by Monokuma robots if they don’t start killing

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Jan 25th 2024 at 6:34:26 AM

GoofyLuffyMan I am actually a manatee from a Yellow Submarine (Pilot) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am actually a manatee
#11991: Jan 25th 2024 at 6:53:52 AM

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm not really sure that Thumper from A Bug's Life really counts as a CM. He just seems WAY too feral and animalistic, to the point where it's hard to tell if he even understands morality at all. Not only that, but it's not like Hopper ever shows any disgust at the lengths Thumper is willing to cross in order to hurt people (in fact, a lot of what Thumper does are direct orders from Hopper, apart from some implied Offstage Villainy). Also, when he flies away from the bigger bug, it felt to me less like him being a selfish coward and more like a predator's reaction to seeing a bigger and stronger predator (again, given how animalistic he is). So with all that, I personally don't see why Thumper counts while a character like, say, Kid Buu from Dragon Ball Z doesn't, since they barely feel any different at all to me. But what are your thoughts?

When a hero uses underhanded tactics in battle, they're "smart". But when a villain does it, they're a "coward". Is this the society we live in?
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#11992: Jan 25th 2024 at 6:58:57 AM

We had explained Thumper pretty extensively. He understands morality and is shown acting relaxed in Hopper's hideout.

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#11993: Jan 25th 2024 at 7:03:51 AM

Kid Buu? Kid Buu is literally the incarnation of evil, him not being moral enough for CM is very diffrent from Thumper. I don't see how this is comparable at all, Especially when we see in the bar scene Thumpter is capable of remaining calm.

Also I would like it if we had more people weigh in on Tsumugi

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Jan 25th 2024 at 7:05:34 AM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#11994: Jan 25th 2024 at 7:09:50 AM

Don't know who that is.

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#11995: Jan 25th 2024 at 7:11:13 AM

All you need to know is that he is basically made of evil and has the mindset of a child. Therefore he is nothing like Thumper who we know for a fact can control himself

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Jan 25th 2024 at 7:11:26 AM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#11996: Jan 25th 2024 at 7:12:41 AM

The Danganronpa example.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#11997: Jan 25th 2024 at 7:13:15 AM

I see Thumper as a low functioning psychopath... he's near feral and acts like an attack dog but he's capable of speech, he seems to distrust the circus bugs when they try to pull their trick with the queen and his body language makes it clear he gets a kick out of scaring Dot and turning tail and running when faced with a bigger bug is a mark of cowardice, not just a scared animal with that in mind. His nature was the main point of discussion when he was suggested.

GoofyLuffyMan I am actually a manatee from a Yellow Submarine (Pilot) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am actually a manatee
#11998: Jan 25th 2024 at 7:13:26 AM

I understand a little more now. Thanks for explaining.

When a hero uses underhanded tactics in battle, they're "smart". But when a villain does it, they're a "coward". Is this the society we live in?
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#11999: Jan 25th 2024 at 7:14:05 AM

Are we in a hurry? More people familiar with Danganronpa will give feedback when more people familiar with Danganronpa get online.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#12000: Jan 25th 2024 at 7:17:16 AM

Sorry. Did not mean to do that. Your correct, we can wait, Sorry for the way that came off.


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