Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
So whose left after that?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Please give me like five minutes to make the last adjustments. G's been bombarding me with DMs on the candidates others have vouched for and I literally just woke up.
You don't need to apologize, believe me, you are absolutely not the person who has been frustrating me throughout this endeavor.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jan 3rd 2024 at 10:10:34 AM
Alrighty, by my count the final list came out to 109 entries. Here they are:
- Anime and Manga: Aram, Balance T. Moid, Marcus (manga version), Yang Kum-Ji, Bellum, Rido Kuran (anime version), Hugin and Munin, Turkey, Seiji Haitani, Seizō Amagi, Kirio Kikuhara, Takuhiko Hayaseura/John Walker, Denshin Katsuyama/The Challenger, The Captain, Boss, Rudolph Clown, Wang, Hayase, Little Boy, Alien Pedan, Lunatic, Smiley
- Comic Books: Hazel and Cha-Cha
- Fan Games: Sentius
- Fan Works: J.S. Steinman, Dr. Genzo Hikke, Larxene, Brian Irons
- Film - Animated: Tatsuhiko Shibusawa
- Film - Live Action: Colonel Semiradov, Rob Novak, Lemi K (I Am Wrath), Sadie's Husband (A Vigilante), Cap, Dr. Gardner, Victor Koval, Max Forrester (Redemption), Becker, Oberst Berghof, Pim Den Oever, Susan Helen Danford, Muhammad Abdisalaam, Rasheed Hamud, Moses Randolph, Chu (The Protégé), Steve Abnesti, Kruger (AKA)
- Literature: King, Cutz, Lianlei and Ongjie, Michael Harley, Bernhardt Rhodes, Takashi Nasujima, Regulus Corneas
- Live Action TV: Batu, Dr. Abel Hazard, Father Etienne, Feliks, Dot Karlson, Cornelius Wilde, Mike Personick, Nabil Kahn, Alberto Cortez, Rocco de la Pena, Patrick Goad, Jay Newman, Benedict Ryan, Dr. Stuart "Stu" Gavin Camillo, Marshal Mathers, black ops soldier, Steve Horn, Gerald Pillar, Gordon Evans, Jerome Sawyer, Max Kaplan, Sophia Turner, Nigel Malloy, Barbara Lillstrom, Joram Naser, Otto Schmidt, Operatives "Lin" and "Davis", John Stone, Eric Barlow, Eddie Barrett, Colin, "The Chemist", Krzysztof "Elias" Górski (Ultraviolet), "Limbo" (Ultraviolet), Lukasz Rolak (Ultraviolet), Peter Stump (Lore), Joshua "Henderson" Bunter, Michael Ridley, Milo Sunter, Carmen's father
- Video Games: Typhon, Tao Wu, El Sueno, Luis Rocha, Dante Cruzar, Tomas Ortega, Mara, Matt Booker (James Noir's Hollywood Crimes), Kim Jong-un, Adam's A.I., The Baron, Simon Carver, The Maw, Mahabalasura
- Webcomics: Lo Po Bia Ren
Here's my recommendation: cut the whole lot of them, then give them a separate folder on Former Complete Monsters. People can then double-check any candidate they feel like at their leisure and either vouch to put them back up or explain why they don't count and move them to the right place accordingly. Does that make sense? It gives us an easy way to keep double-checking the candidates even after they're already knocked off the main pages, and it makes keeping track of which ones were G's way simpler.
Swap list:
- Monster: Anime & Manga (A to B)
- Monster: Anime & Manga (C to F)
- Monster: Anime & Manga (G to N)
- Monster: Anime & Manga (O to Z)
- Monster Comic Books I To Z
- Monster Film A To B
- Monster: Film (D to E)
- Monster: Film (F to G)
- Monster: Film (H to I)
- Monster: Film (J to L)
- Monster: Film (M to N)
- Monster: Film (O to R)
- Monster: Film (S)
- Monster Film T To Z
- Monster: Fan Games
- Monster: Fan Works Crossovers
- Monster: Disney Fan Works
- Monster: Animated Films
- Monster: Literature (A to C)
- Monster: Literature (D to G)
- Monster: Literature (H to M)
- Monster: Literature (N to S)
- Monster: Live-Action TV (A to F)
- Monster: Live-Action TV (G to O)
- Monster: Live-Action TV (P to Z)
- Monster: Video Games (D to F)
- Monster: Video Games (G to K)
- Monster: Video Games (L to P)
- Monster: Video Games (Q to S)
- Monster: Webcomics
- Monster: Bellisarioverse
- Monster: Law & Order
- Monster: The Legend of Zelda
- Monster: Pokémon
- Monster: Ultra Series
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:37:58 AM
Sounds good, maybe add a note explaining why they're there in the folder so anyone who doesn't already know can know why they're there
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/HerBy the way. I think lighty vouched for Umihebi when she went up so you can cut that one too.
Edit : yes he did. So that one is fine
Edited by miraculous on Jan 3rd 2024 at 7:26:47 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Got that one
Maybe make an entire subpage for them, something like Sandbox.Former Complete Monsters G Editor, because this feels a little bit too long for a single folder.
In honor of Akira ToriyamaAnyone wanna check with Lighty on the Fire Force one?
Anyone know Soul Eater Not!?
Also, don't forget the YMMV pages as well. Please add the pages with cuts to the swap list (and don't forget Complete Monster Images and the quotes if applicable).
I may see if I can find Ripper Street; Cornelius Wilde is awful.
Edited by ACW on Jan 3rd 2024 at 11:22:29 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsI think you can watch it on Dailymotion
Edited by LarryT on Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:08:54 AM
In honor of Akira ToriyamaUh guys don't give out links to pirate sites on the forums....
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Eh, I don't really see the need to give them their own subpage. I just tested it and adding all of the remaining examples under one folder brings the page to about 130,000 characters, which is about 20,000 short of the page getting a "too long" warning.
Seems like a good time to re-ask this with the new approvals: Time for a Marvel series page?
- Blade: The Series (3)
- The Gifted (2017) (1)
- Mutant X (8 after writeups are done)
- The Incredible Hulk (1977) (2)
- Spider-Man (Japan) (2)
So 16 total so far.
Possible quote?
Edited by ACW on Jan 3rd 2024 at 12:17:18 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsJust a note, the villain from The Gifted is one of G's unconfirmed ones.
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Jan 3rd 2024 at 12:19:33 PM
Oh, heck.
Well, that still makes 15, which is more than enough. Hell, Mutant X alone is enough.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsOh, from what I recall of Soul Eater Not, Shaula is fine for her level of villain.
I support that solution. If people vouch for them after the cut, will they do another EP or will we just use G's writeup?
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?Honestly lets just use the old write up and ep. Saves time.
You know if they count.
Edited by miraculous on Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:59:44 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Unless G did something wrong in the EP, then do another one with correct info
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/HerDoes anyone want to check Cornelius quickly. It would be weird if he was the only one removed.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Hmm... not sure where best to post this, but is there any sort of criteria that could help determine whether a Fallen Hero can qualify as a Complete Monster or is too sympathetic/tragic to count?
Forgot to say, but aside from the Criminal Minds duo, I can also vouch for Catherine Ortiz and the Führer.