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Old Complete Monster cleanup thread

Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

TheMadCr0w Gentle Laborer from Insignificant Little Blue Planet Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Gentle Laborer
#11201: Jan 3rd 2024 at 6:58:20 AM

Forgot to say, but aside from the Criminal Minds duo, I can also vouch for Catherine Ortiz and the Führer.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#11202: Jan 3rd 2024 at 7:02:30 AM

So whose left after that?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#11203: Jan 3rd 2024 at 7:03:44 AM

Please give me like five minutes to make the last adjustments. G's been bombarding me with DMs on the candidates others have vouched for and I literally just woke up.

[down] You don't need to apologize, believe me, you are absolutely not the person who has been frustrating me throughout this endeavor.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jan 3rd 2024 at 10:10:34 AM

LarryT I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT! from the Eldritch Ocean Abyss Since: Aug, 2023
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#11205: Jan 3rd 2024 at 7:11:56 AM

Alrighty, by my count the final list came out to 109 entries. Here they are:

    List 

Here's my recommendation: cut the whole lot of them, then give them a separate folder on Former Complete Monsters. People can then double-check any candidate they feel like at their leisure and either vouch to put them back up or explain why they don't count and move them to the right place accordingly. Does that make sense? It gives us an easy way to keep double-checking the candidates even after they're already knocked off the main pages, and it makes keeping track of which ones were G's way simpler.

Swap list:

    List 

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:37:58 AM

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#11206: Jan 3rd 2024 at 7:18:36 AM

[up] Sounds good, maybe add a note explaining why they're there in the folder so anyone who doesn't already know can know why they're there

REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
TheMadCr0w Gentle Laborer from Insignificant Little Blue Planet Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#11208: Jan 3rd 2024 at 7:25:18 AM

By the way. I think lighty vouched for Umihebi when she went up so you can cut that one too.

Edit : yes he did. So that one is fine

Edited by miraculous on Jan 3rd 2024 at 7:26:47 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
LarryT I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT! from the Eldritch Ocean Abyss Since: Aug, 2023
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
#11210: Jan 3rd 2024 at 8:02:24 AM

Maybe make an entire subpage for them, something like Sandbox.Former Complete Monsters G Editor, because this feels a little bit too long for a single folder.

In honor of Akira Toriyama
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#11211: Jan 3rd 2024 at 8:21:22 AM

Anyone wanna check with Lighty on the Fire Force one?

Anyone know Soul Eater Not!?

Also, don't forget the YMMV pages as well. Please add the pages with cuts to the swap list (and don't forget Complete Monster Images and the quotes if applicable).

I may see if I can find Ripper Street; Cornelius Wilde is awful.

Edited by ACW on Jan 3rd 2024 at 11:22:29 AM

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
LarryT I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT! from the Eldritch Ocean Abyss Since: Aug, 2023
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
#11212: Jan 3rd 2024 at 8:51:04 AM

I think you can watch it on Dailymotion

Edited by LarryT on Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:08:54 AM

In honor of Akira Toriyama
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#11213: Jan 3rd 2024 at 8:57:41 AM

Uh guys don't give out links to pirate sites on the forums....

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#11214: Jan 3rd 2024 at 8:57:59 AM

Eh, I don't really see the need to give them their own subpage. I just tested it and adding all of the remaining examples under one folder brings the page to about 130,000 characters, which is about 20,000 short of the page getting a "too long" warning.

LarryT I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT! from the Eldritch Ocean Abyss Since: Aug, 2023
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#11216: Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:16:39 AM

Seems like a good time to re-ask this with the new approvals: Time for a Marvel series page?

So 16 total so far.

Possible quote?

"Marcus. Do you know how many men I've killed over the years? How many women I've taken? All these years, burning with hatred for me. And I don't even remember you! Or whoever this whore was you say I killed!"
Damek, Blade: The Series

Edited by ACW on Jan 3rd 2024 at 12:17:18 PM

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#11217: Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:19:12 AM

Just a note, the villain from The Gifted is one of G's unconfirmed ones.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Jan 3rd 2024 at 12:19:33 PM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#11218: Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:22:42 AM

Oh, heck.

Well, that still makes 15, which is more than enough. Hell, Mutant X alone is enough.

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#11219: Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:39:41 AM

Oh, from what I recall of Soul Eater Not, Shaula is fine for her level of villain.

Libraryseraph Showtime! from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Showtime!
#11220: Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:56:54 AM

I support that solution. If people vouch for them after the cut, will they do another EP or will we just use G's writeup?

Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#11221: Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:58:23 AM

Honestly lets just use the old write up and ep. Saves time.

You know if they count.

Edited by miraculous on Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:59:44 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#11222: Jan 3rd 2024 at 10:03:32 AM

Unless G did something wrong in the EP, then do another one with correct info

REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from tall grass (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#11223: Jan 3rd 2024 at 10:19:15 AM

The Ripper Street Episodes average between $3.99 for HD and $2.99-$2.79 for SD per episode on YouTube. A season averages between $15-$20.

Just in case people want to see for themselves.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 3rd 2024 at 1:19:37 PM

Rawr.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#11224: Jan 3rd 2024 at 10:22:49 AM

Does anyone want to check Cornelius quickly. It would be weird if he was the only one removed.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Arawn999 Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#11225: Jan 3rd 2024 at 10:27:24 AM

Hmm... not sure where best to post this, but is there any sort of criteria that could help determine whether a Fallen Hero can qualify as a Complete Monster or is too sympathetic/tragic to count?


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