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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#9851: Oct 10th 2023 at 7:17:23 AM

Fantastic work Unknown! [tup] to your expansions.

It's Spooky Month!
YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#9852: Oct 10th 2023 at 8:11:02 AM

Out of curiosity was a consensus reached on Ceaser Clown?

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#9853: Oct 10th 2023 at 8:46:47 AM

A sequel to Good Boy! has been released and it seems that Toy Box demon was destroyed there for good, also in the sequel the demon is revealed to have corrupted people to follow his bidding of luring little children, so that he may drain them slowly of their blood, so i update the entry (the demon is referred as "He" in the sequel, so i refer to him like that in the rewrite):

Original:

Good Boy!: The Toy Box Demon is a malevolent creature which lives in an old toy box. Corrupting the children whose parents brought the toy box to their house, the demon has them murder their entire families to satisfy its lust for blood. Having already done this to at least two families, the demon tries to repeat the process with the protagonist and his family. Possessing the protagonist's grandmother, the demon tries to urge the protagonist to kill their pets and mother, and if it succeeds, the demon has the grandmother call the police and commands the protagonist to kill as many of them as he can.

My rewrite:

Good Boy! and Good Boy 2: The Toy Box Demon is a malevolent creature which lives in an old toy box. Corrupting the children whose parents brought the toy box to their house, the demon has them murder their entire families to satisfy his lust for blood. Having already done this to at least two families, the demon tries to repeat the process with the protagonist and his family. Possessing the protagonist's grandmother, the demon tries to urge the protagonist to kill their pets and mother, and if he succeeds, the demon has the grandmother call the police and commands the protagonist to kill as many of them as he can. In the sequel the demon is revealed to have been corrupting people to act as his servants and lure little children to his hideout, where he orders his servants to slowly drain them of their blood. Forcing the protagonist to kill his servant, simply for his own amusement, the demon then tried to corrupt the protagonist to be his next slave.

Full walkthrough of the sequel, if anyone wants to check it out:

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Oct 10th 2023 at 6:50:07 PM

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#9854: Oct 10th 2023 at 9:05:08 AM

[tup] To the Mortal Kombat CM expansions.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#9855: Oct 10th 2023 at 9:47:26 AM

[tup] to the Toy Box Demon expansion. Also, leaning on a keep to Caesar Clown.

@ACW: Shang Tsung's betrayal of Li Mei happens in the first timeline, specifically in Li Mei's semi-canon ending in Deadly Alliance. Also how would you like me to add my write-ups to the drafts?

@43110, WetFlannels, and therealjackieboy: Thank you for the compliments!

[down] Got it. I'll do that right now.

Edited by DrUnknown on Oct 10th 2023 at 11:58:35 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#9856: Oct 10th 2023 at 11:13:30 AM

I stand corrected on Shang.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally am fine with you just making the changes at the Sandbox.

ForgoLight The Ultimate Lifeform Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
The Ultimate Lifeform
#9857: Oct 10th 2023 at 12:11:13 PM

So I found this from How Not to Summon a Demon Lord.

  • Keera L. Greenwood is the older brother of Shera and the prince of the Kingdom of Greenwood. He is known to be physically abusive towards Shera, while seeing her as nothing but a Sex Slave that he rightfully owns and can use to continue their bloodline. Eventually, Shera had enough of his mistreatment and ran away, leading to him obsessively trying to recapture her and bring her back. He has a complete disregard for life, not caring how many people he endangers to achieve his goals and believes the entire world exists to please him. This is shown when he callously declares war over the pettiest of reasons, or when he summons the Force Hydra (a dangerous and destructive beast) even though he had no means of controlling it. He's also shown to be incredibly racist to all races other than the Elves. When he finally recaptures Shera, he has her chained up and attempts to rape her while also putting her under mind control magic to make her desire to come back with him.

Now I admit I'm not terribly familiar with the series other than that it really isn't deserving of the mindless praise it gets but I'm not here to preach about how awful it is. I'm here because this CM entry is absolutely terrible. It sounds like a Hate Sink entry more than anything as aside from the sexual assault it really doesn't describe many specific crimes as the "Force Hydra" is really poorly defined, even using parentheses despite them having no place in a CM entry. In fact looking at the other two keepers I really don't think he even keeps to begin with as he's a country ruler who really achieves little more than mere knights who only have command of their knight battalions. Basically he seems completely out heinouses for his resources.

"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#9858: Oct 10th 2023 at 12:16:40 PM

Switching to keep Drake

Gonna wait for more opinions on Greenwood

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#9859: Oct 10th 2023 at 12:26:00 PM

Anyone want to contact snowy who did him. The trying to start a war thing and keep his sister as a sex slave makes me lean keep.

But I do think it needs to be rewritten as it's a bit weird as is.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#9860: Oct 10th 2023 at 1:35:54 PM

Will lean keep on Greenwood.

IPP Wick Check created.
ForgoLight The Ultimate Lifeform Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
The Ultimate Lifeform
#9861: Oct 10th 2023 at 2:28:43 PM

For reference before you all say keep, this is his competition.

  • Paladin Saddler of the Church of Celestials is a twisted sadist behind a mask of pleasantry, Saddler butchers villages he suspects are "evil", killing them to the last man, woman and child. A torture enthusiast, Saddler is fond of attacking demihumans or anyone he so much as suspects of worshipping demons regardless of logic or justification, taking them and torturing them to death as a form of "purification" and justifying his beliefs under the notion that he is a god. When he captures Diablo's friend Rem, Saddler tries to torture her to death as well, his supposed righteousness nothing more than a mask for the twisted monster he truly is.
  • Paladin Captain Batutta is a ruthless knight behind the Death Knell curse. Appearing an ally for Diablo's party in solving the illness at Zircon Tower, Batutta is later revealed to be the one responsible. Learning about a curse made from prime evil, the collective embodiment of sin, Batutta entrances people into committing evil deeds to extract the substance and then spread it in the town's water supply where he would then impose high taxes to the people for the cure and swear fealty to the Church, letting the paladins abuse and leaving those who can't afford to die. Learning Lumachina could cure the curse, Batutta plotted to corrupt her, kidnapping her and Rem before handing them to his servant to sexually assault them while luring Diablo to a trap. When Diablo and Sherri manage to best him ruining his plans Batutta as a last act tried to take them with him by burying them in a cave-in.
As far as I can tell, Greenwood has substantially less of a kill count than the first Paladin, and the second plans to make multiple girls into sex slaves. And again, as the ruler of a nation, Greenwood has far more resources despite, again, as far as I can tell doing much less. And the war he threatened to start doesn't seem to be all that widespread.

Edited by ForgoLight on Oct 10th 2023 at 2:29:13 AM

"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#9862: Oct 10th 2023 at 2:45:19 PM

From what I'm seeing:

  • Keera keeps his own sister as a Sex Slave and tries to start at least one war;
  • Saddler is a vicious Knight Templar who purges towns and cities he deems "corrupt;
  • Batutta poisons a town's water to force them to pay for a cure lest he leave them to be beaten and die.

I don't see why anyone needs to go tbh.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#9863: Oct 10th 2023 at 2:58:29 PM

Yeah, it seems like Keera gets his own brand of evil, especially with the sex slavery thing. I'll say keep.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#9864: Oct 10th 2023 at 3:02:38 PM

Agreed. Just needs to be rewritten.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#9865: Oct 10th 2023 at 3:03:01 PM

Keep Keera.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Oct 10th 2023 at 3:03:19 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#9866: Oct 10th 2023 at 3:17:10 PM

Okay time to dicuss adventure time Fiona and cake. I have an mb post planned. But the series itself doesn't have anyone here.

  • . BIG Destiny is even worse than in the original series whew he tries to kill his own daughter and running a wasteland warlord. Too bad he falls under the Same issue as Warren ampersand of in classic adventure time fashion being a Joke villain.

  • The winter king is an evil vedison of Simon petrikov /Ice King who transferred his insanity to princess bubblegum and keeps her in a constant state of insanity. It's umh implied he's done a lot of terrible things here like killing his adoptive daughter Marceline but way too much is fridge horror sadly to keep.

  • Vampire world Vampire king is a a Verizon of the vampire king who adopted marceline and raised her as his personal lieitant. He's responsible for wiping out most of huannitu and closing the skies to allow vampires to invade to the point they'll eventually start running out of it. He uh just misses out due the fact..... He actually cares about Marceline. Like when she's about to fall to her death. He rushed to save her and seems proud of her in a not In Love with Your Carnage way.
  • Extinction world lich. Ah so after ten freaking years of us discussion the moral agency of the lich. The show flat our days he does have or and he's just a normal monster of sorts who wprhsio the god of chaos GOLB wishing to become his emodiemt hence his crusade agsint all life to earn his favor. (now no I don't think this is mitigating on its own and hence why his listed vedisons stay as it's just fantatical) but this alternate Verizon who succeeds in his goal of wiling out all life. Suceeeds and becomes totally depressed.... Even weirdly befriending bmo apparently. He relapses unlike his farmworld Verizon who doubled down that his life is empty and ebem begs GO Lb for a new purpose. Who since he's combined with Betty and now good.. Punishes him by turning him into a self aware tetris cube. I don't think ghjs version counts since we'll be doendy do much here and the weird depression state he gets is played with some melancholy.

So The reason I don't think this is mitigating for his actual listed versions is simple. The whole point of this mini series is that how a person becomes and what they will end up is in the air and ultimately the other two die utterly unrepenent or without a mommet of clarity this one achieved through circumstances. And his farm world and mainline vedson just doubled down with trying to wipe out the multiverse as well.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#9867: Oct 10th 2023 at 3:47:15 PM

[up] I have to agree with no one keeping in Fionna and Cake, as well as the other approved Liches not going anywhere. On another note, I suppose there is a reason why the original Vampire King didn't count. It's been awhile since I saw the main series.

[down] Aw, so this alternate version is basically a EXTREME case of Adaptational Villainy. I see.

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Oct 10th 2023 at 4:07:22 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#9868: Oct 10th 2023 at 3:53:07 PM

Well He doesn't do anything majorily evil in the main series. None of this happens their. Plus he gives up his vamprisom to live in peace.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#9869: Oct 10th 2023 at 4:23:40 PM

Just asking, did anyone discuss the backstory of Judge Doom/Baron von Rotten?

Eh, good enough.
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#9870: Oct 10th 2023 at 4:24:30 PM

It was deemed noncanon.

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#9871: Oct 10th 2023 at 4:25:20 PM

I see. Guess that's one thing off the list... (I'm not discussing it further)

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Oct 10th 2023 at 4:25:41 AM

Eh, good enough.
Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#9872: Oct 11th 2023 at 12:35:37 AM

Great rundown on Fiona and Cake Mir! Agreed on all accounts. The Vampire King is heinous enough but loves his world's Marceline. And the Lich is played strangely pitiable here.

And yes, I would say agency debates are settled now. While he does not have a Heel–Face Turn or anything, extinct world Lich does give up being evil once he realized it was not really satisfying. So the ones we have up are indeed willingly choosing to be what they are.

EDIT:Oh and also the shows Big Bad The Scarab I would say also comes pretty close. Namely in that part where he tries to wipe out everyone in F&C's world. Even spitefully trying to do so after the world is canonized. And having a couple extra crimes. But his ending has him be Prismo's janitor and it is implied he will mellow out over the years sense he does help with Prismo's world creation stuff.

Edited by Snoketrope on Oct 11th 2023 at 9:26:25 AM

Bow to the Prototype
KageTsuki88 (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Chat, is this real?
#9873: Oct 11th 2023 at 11:49:09 AM

A little over a half hour ago as of writing, someone put up an entry for Captain Kuro for his depiction in the live action One Piece adaptation. Was this ever approved? Especially since the writing doesn't look like how an approved CM is usually written.

Edited by KageTsuki88 on Oct 11th 2023 at 11:54:38 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#9874: Oct 11th 2023 at 12:26:29 PM

No, not approved. I think it was decided nobody counted yet.

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#9875: Oct 11th 2023 at 12:41:15 PM

Live action Kuro flunks the standards

Speaking of One Piece

What happened with the Ceaser Clown discussion?

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Oct 11th 2023 at 12:42:05 PM


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