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Old Complete Monster cleanup thread

Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#8951: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:26:23 PM

Let me see.

Their may be more. But I got bored. So I'll let wet check the rest.

Edited by miraculous on Aug 25th 2023 at 3:28:04 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#8952: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:28:43 PM

And this is why we update the CMs By Troper page

REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The wifi here sucks
#8953: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:29:45 PM

I just talked about Emesis Blue and I helped him with the 007 stuff so I guess I can look at them again.

Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#8954: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:30:41 PM

[up][up]At least it was only four pages. If they had kept at it. This would have been even bigger hell to fix.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DoodSlayer136 Woagh from Pizza Tower (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Woagh
#8955: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:32:03 PM

I can at least vouch for Jules Archibald, despite the ambiguity the film's very upfront about his crimes and how nearly everything was his fault.

NOISE IS CALLING, PICK UP PHONE
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#8956: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:33:34 PM

[up]Aren't we just supposed to re-propose any ban evader examples instead

REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#8957: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:34:44 PM

Anyway let's get the sandboxed ready and start removing on the ymmv page.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#8958: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:36:14 PM

Already went through the ones you listed, though not all of them had/were on the YMMV page since the CSI was just onto the main monster page

REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#8959: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:36:36 PM

If someone is familiar with the work/character, honestly I’m cool either way if they wanna just vouch for it and rewrite it or just do a whole new proposal. As long as the actual write up text gets changed I’m ambivalent on whether or not we fully re-propose, and I don’t think that’s something we’ve ever officially nailed down

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Aug 25th 2023 at 6:38:22 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#8960: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:37:25 PM

I'm going to be honest. I haven't actually seen Frank's episode despite being super into csi. So I Dunno about him.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The wifi here sucks
#8961: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:43:09 PM

I'd need to actually watch the 007 Legends cutscenes since I only watched the ones about Graves.

Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
MermaidEyes15 A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds from The Grand Dance of the Vast Universe of Life Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Puppy love
A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds
#8962: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:43:21 PM

Would it be cool if I did Jules Archibald? I am a big fan of Emesis Blue myself^^

Keep Fighting. Keep Loving.
EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Not the Eye
#8963: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:54:22 PM

If nobody minds I will take Six’s shield and Rage for candidates for eventuall reproposal.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#8964: Aug 25th 2023 at 4:03:35 PM

I'll put Joka from Klonoa on my to do list if that is okay with everyone?

papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The wifi here sucks
#8965: Aug 25th 2023 at 4:08:59 PM

@Mermaid, as much as I'd love to handle Jules, the 007 stuff would put me at the EP limit for a few days. Go right ahead

BTW we're discussing how to handle ban evaders on the policy thread

Edited by papyru30 on Aug 25th 2023 at 5:09:08 AM

Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#8966: Aug 25th 2023 at 4:20:54 PM

Goddammit 🤬🤬🤬

Could somebody do me a big favor and remove the entries from the YMMV pages and Sandboxes, and add the Sandboxes to the swap list?

I think the Berserk page can still stay formatted the same.

So I guess we can just cut all the Emesis stuff for now?

Edited by ACW on Aug 25th 2023 at 7:21:26 AM

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#8967: Aug 25th 2023 at 4:22:17 PM

It looks like Agent’s an absolute boss and cleared out most if not all of the YMMV’s - thanks for the assist there bro!

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#8968: Aug 25th 2023 at 4:24:00 PM

Anyone willing to take the Sandboxes?

Goddammit I hate when this happens.

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#8969: Aug 25th 2023 at 4:36:06 PM

Okay, went through all the ones mir had listed

REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#8970: Aug 25th 2023 at 4:37:13 PM

Don't forget the former CM page.

Is Jacques still being cut?

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#8972: Aug 25th 2023 at 4:45:24 PM

I got rid of the Sound of Freedom from the Sandbox, and Berserk 1997 from the Sandbox and YMMV.

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from NYPD (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#8973: Aug 25th 2023 at 4:54:08 PM

Cut all the Sock Examples pending further evaluation.

And this is why we update the CMs By Troper page.
What a coincidence. I had just raised my concerns about certain people's leniency on keeping track of their candidates in the policy thread.

Feels good, don't it?
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#8974: Aug 25th 2023 at 5:01:38 PM

I’m hardly here. If someone wants to add to mine what I’ve missed be my guest.

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#8975: Aug 25th 2023 at 5:45:31 PM

Okay from Death Machine for Jack Dante I found this entry on the YMMV page

  • Alas, Poor Villain: Even after all the atrocities committed by Dante, he is, at his core, a profoundly lonely person struggling to come to terms with his abandonment as a child. He’s lived his entire life in a box, valued only for his intellect, and the weapons it could produce. He wants nothing more than an actual connection with another person, but due to his dangerous and bizarre behavior, he is completely unable to achieve that. And after all of his bluster is spent, and the doors lock on the containment chamber, he spends the last moments on screen (and presumably alive) asking for his mom.

After cutting it for not being a YMMV trope, can someone explain this? I can't find the original EP for him

REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her

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