Complete Monster Cleanup

1. It was a cut proposal, legitimate reasons were given to keep the character.

2. There was a suggestion the character be rewritten if kept, legitimate reasons were given as to why individuals felt it was unneeded.

Kindly don't control the conversation when posters have handled the matter civilly, as is this just stops a healthy debate and impedes upon the purpose of the cleanup thread.

So does High Evolutionary's writeup need to be tweaked?

Hey guys, here to discuss another potential cut—the movie version of Rip from Less Than Zero.

• Complete Monster: Rip is a slimy drug dealer whose crooked slinging of abusive substances leads to the ruination of addict Julian's life. Always prowling around for new young people to addict to drugs and rack up profits, Rip allows Julian to drive up such a debt to him that Julian spends most of his time depressed and broke, at which point Rip takes advantage of the drugged up Julian to forcibly turn him into a prostitute and pimp him out to wealthy men. Even when Julian tries to get clean and pay Rip back, Rip just manipulates Julian into using again and once more forces him into prostitution, all while threatening Julian's friends. Julian eventually dies from all the horrible abuse he's been through, something Rip callously predicted would come to pass earlier in the film with casual indifference.

Film!Rip is a big Adaptational Nice Guy when compared to his original counterpart; he still ruins Julian's life but his problem is with Julian and only Julian, he only gets aggressive with Julian's friends—Clay and Blair—when they try to get in his way.

The movie even gives him a few genuine Pet the Dog moments during his interactions with Clay—when they reunite, Rip looks genuinely happy to see him, gives him a free sample of cocaine and advises him to stay in college.

When Julian tries to pick a fight with Clay and Blair, Rip actually jumps in and defuses the situation, he had nothing to do with it and still intervened before things escalated.

And finally, when Clay visits Rip to convince him to stop tormenting Julian, Rip gives him another genuine advise.

I'm also not really sure if he's heinous enough? Forcing Julian into prostitution is horrible, but we don't see him doing this horrific stuff to more people. Rip is not a small-time drug dealer either, he's in contact with the upper class of LA, owns a fancy suite and has his own bodyguards—for a guy of his tier, ruining the life of one person is just... Blah?

That's the thing, it's not really a MO because Julian is his only victim. "Always prowling around for new young people to addict to drugs" is honestly an exaggeration, he's always seen enjoying parties and welcoming guests, Rip giving free cocaine to Clay as a "gift" is the only time we see him offering drugs to someone other than Julian. We, as the audience, know he's got other clients but the movie never focuses on that—With the exception of Julian, none of the people near Rip are portrayed as being addicted or enslaved.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Aug 20th 2023 at 2:36:08 PM

Not certain about the overall conclusion here, but I have to immediately say that I really don't see how giving a free sample of cocaine is a Pet the Dog moment for a guy whose entire MO is to use drug addiction to effectively enslave people.

I got a cut proposal for a candidate put up way back when the CM discussion thread first started and was put up before effort posts were done. Namely, I'm talking about Darth Jadus from Star Wars: The Old Republic. Here's his entry.

• Darth Jadus, when first introduced, appears to only differ from his fellow members of the Dark Council in that he is enigmatic. It gradually becomes apparent that Jadus is twisted even by the brutal standards of the Sith. Jadus fakes his own death at the hands of a terrorist so he can secretly kidnap several hundred people and torture them into becoming his mindless servants. He then gives incredibly powerful Kill Sats to terrorists so they can use them to kill countless Imperial citizens, all so he can come back from the dead and save the day, increasing his political power. To prevent the other members of the Dark Council from figuring out his plans, Jadus has his insane daughter, Darth Zhorrid, succeed him on the Council as a distraction. If Zhorrid somehow manages to survive Sith politics, Jadus plans to have her killed. Jadus plans to use the power he will gain from his plans to repeat the tortures he inflicted upon the people he kidnapped with the entire Empire.

Jadus can show respect for the Imperial Agent player, give them gifts and supplies if they side with him, and not care at all if they are an alien and looks down on the Empire's xenophobia, but I'm willing to throw all that off to Pragmatic Villainy. The greater issue is that Jadus is supposed to be the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy second only to the Sith Emperor himself and his onscreen actions frankly don't breach the high heinous standard of the MMO itself, let alone Star Wars. He has his own ship blown up to fake his death killing hundreds in the process and his turning people into mindless servants is more a side effect of how powerful in the Dark Side he is, but his main claim to be on this list is using super weapons to destroy cities and spread terror in the Empire. The thing is that we never actual see these weapons being fired, only hear about them being fired under certain circumstances. If you side with Jadus, they are fired on the strongholds of his enemies but we never see the actual effects, and trying to arrest Jadus will lead the Agent to firing half of the them and causing thousands of deaths.

The main issue is that Star Wars is not afraid of showing destroyed planets or having villains kill millions.

Here's a look at the other listed candidates, and this is ignoring the Emperor trying to kill everyone in the galaxy.

• Fulminiss intends to use a device called the Seeds of Rage to drive both the native species on the planet Voss insane with rage and wipe out the entire planet in waves of violent slaughter.
• Vergost is a mere officer that creates a bioweapon to kill millions of an alien race on a populated moon before modifying to work on other alien species.
• Toborro the Hutt is knowingly destroying an entire populated planet my mining a valuable resource and sends his droids out to massacre cities when his escape ship is stolen.
• Jarak drives countless people insane or kills them with his brainwashing research and what he does to the Emperor's daughter with his research is depicted as quite a bit worse than what Jadus does to his own daughter.
• Darth Mehkis creates superweapons before using them to kill millions in the system she enslaved to build them, powers them by abosrbing multiple suns destroying more planets in the process. She also has a penchant for kidnapping and torturing Jedi into her mindless cyborg slaves.

Outside of the those listed candidates, Darth Angral spends the entire 1st act of the Jedi Knight story trying to gather up multiple superweapons to unleash on the entire Republic in revenge for his son's death. We even explicitly see him use one to destroy a farming world of 16 million people and we see the destroyed planet. The later expansions see the Eternal Empire use their fleets to wipe out entire worlds that won't submit to them. Even in the earlier Old Republic timeline, Malak uses him fleet to bombard an entire planet into rubble and Nihilus devours entire worlds with the force and mentally and physically tortures the people under him far more brutally.

The gist of everything I'm saying is that the vague intent of leading an Empire based on hatred and fear and using a few kill sats to target cities that we never see in action is far below what I'd expect for the second most powerful Sith Lord in the Old Republic when everyone else is out wiping out entire planets and genociding millions like its going out of style.

• Mononoke Episodes 8-9—Nue arc: The Zue Mononoke is in truth a narcissistic Ayakashi possessing a rotten piece of wood known as the Toudaiji, and is the only of its kind completely lacking in sympathetic qualities or tragedy. Developing into a Mononoke from people's blind admiration of it, it drove two of Lady Ruri's original suitors to murder her and another suitor in obsession before killing the three suitors and her maid, and trapped them in a "Groundhog Day" Loop. Not content with this, it killed hundreds of others, including a young girl, before attempting to lure the Medicine Peddler himself, forcing him to brutally "kill" the suitors to free them. When snapped in half, the graveyard of its victims is revealed to stretch dozens of yards around the house property.
• Bastard!! (1988): Anthrasax, God of Destruction, is the soul of a rogue angel drawn into a demon body. Upon awakening, Anthrasax wreaked horrific destruction on the land, destroying kingdoms and murdering countless people. Manipulating its own freedom centuries later, Anthrasax takes over Dark Schneider's old general Kal-su and unleashes horrible destruction to annihilate all mankind before releasing more demons to consume the entire world.
• Record of Ragnarok:
  • Hajun—Papiyas in the anime—is the Demon Lord of the Sixth Heaven who destroyed half of Helheim, leaving untold death and destruction in the wake of his rampage. With his body eventually succumbing to his own power, Hajun's remains would be found by Beelzebub, who plants him into Zerofuku, where Hajun plays a vital part in corrupting the kind god into the misanthropic God Of Misfortune before completely consuming Zerofuku's body in the Sixth Match. Hajun sadistically maims Buddha in their fight, while gleefully declaring that he has killed Zerofuku.
  • Chapter 57 "Chi You": Chiyou is the Chinese war god of militaries, a sadistic, gluttonous man-eating deity that demands daily human sacrifices from emperors to be permitted to rule. Forcing each generation of rulers to kneel before him as he consumes countless over hundreds of years, Chiyou adorns his lair with the bones of hundreds if not thousands of his victims, demanding 10,000 more from the latest ruler Qin Shi Huang for him to devour.
  • Jack the Ripper Case Files:
    • Jack the Ripper: The real Jack the Ripper, revealed to be none other than journalist Luke Evans, is an infamous Serial Killer who started his career by gutting his wife after he caught her cheating on him. A deranged sadist, Luke grew to view all women as filth and began a series of brutal killings where he disembowels and dissects women for their innards. Kidnapping his latest victim, a young girl named Sophia, Luke attempts to dissect her alive to dispose her innards and take a picture of her remains.
    • The Knights of Gluttony: Baron Chris Highton, the wealthy leader of the Knights of Gluttony, is a sadistic elitist revealed to be a murderer of children. Having his butler Alfred kidnap kids of the slums to satisfy his hatred of the poor, Highton dresses as a knight and kills them, claiming the lives of 10. Having tortured the young child Roger, relishing in his screams before murdering him too. Highton would kidnap the boy's brother to taunt him of how much he made his brother screamed and beg before trying to kill him as well.
• 1997 series: Griffith was the beautiful but ruthless leader of the Band of the Hawk. Bringing many to his side through his charisma, Griffith sacrificed the lives of his followers and Midland's enemies for his ambition. When he is almost assassinated, Griffith has Guts kill the man who hired the assassin, smiling wickedly even at the news the man's young son was killed as well. Blackmailing a minister by kidnapping his daughter, Griffith forces him to assist him in roasting his conspirators alive, then has Guts kill the kidnappers to keep them quiet. After Guts leaves the Hawk, Griffith forces himself on the princess of Midland in a desperate attempt to regain his feeling of control, only to end up imprisoned and tortured. Saved by the Band of the Hawk and a returning Guts, Griffith ungratefully has them butchered and damned by demons so he could join the Godhand, spitefully raping Casca in front of Guts.
• Series 20: "Smoking Demons": Charles Mawdsley is a prolific child murderer and pornographer, described by a fellow convict "as close to pure evil as a man can get". Already a child molester since his early adulthood, Mawdsley actively instigated and lead the protracted torture and murder of two children. Convicted of separate child sex offences and sent to prison, Mawdsley continued to run a child pornography ring from inside where dozens of children were raped, and then attempting to murder DC Terry Perkins via a hangman's noose when Perkins went undercover to expose him.
• Maskerade: Salzella is the deadpan and harsh music director of the Ankh-Morpork Opera House and the false killer Ghost seeking the opera's ruin to satiate his hate and greed. Despising opera, its performers, and its watchers, Salzella is secretly embezzling a massive profit while taking the guise of the Ghost after threatening the mentally challenged real Ghost Walter with murdering his mother. The false Ghost destroys equipment to hide his thefts while murdering or attempting to murder multiple people who might discover his schemes. When Granny Weatherwax uncovers Walter's alter ego, Salzella frames the innocent young man and sends a mob out to murder him. On the verge of exposure, Salzella attempts to drop a massive flaming chandelier during a packed performance to doom hundreds to a fiery death to hide his heinous crimes and escape justice.
• Dragon Ball: Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle (Funimation dub only): Lucifer is a vampiric demon lord who rules over the Devil's Castle. Centuries ago, Lucifer procured the Sleeping Princess, a mystical diamond that can be charged with and harness moonlight. Lucifer intended to use the "awakened" Sleeping Princess to power a cannon to destroy the sun, which would plunge the world into eternal darkness, knowing fully well humanity could not survive without the sun. Lucifer was also known to capture humans and drain them of their blood for him and his men to drink, and he planned on making the 16-year-old Bulma his latest victim, followed by the rest of the Dragon Team.
• Issue #20's "50 Girls 50": Sid, while seeming an unassuming charismatic technician, is truthfully a simple yet selfish, misogynistic sociopath. Selected to be one of 100 colonists placed into suspended animation for 100 years, Sid altered his own D-F Unit causing him to wake up after only two years, so that he could live his fantasy of having as many women as he desired for the rest of his life. Upon waking up, Sid murdered the 49 other male colonists, and awoke his first victim Laura Masters. Tricking her into believing they were both victims of malfunctioning units, Sid comforted and seduced Laura, playing the caring lover for a year until growing tired of her he revealed the truth, taking sadistic glee in Laura's realisation he had stolen her entire life, then forcing the conscious but paralysed Laura back into the D-F Unit and slowly freezing her to death. Sid then went to awaken his next victim, planning to repeat the process of enjoying one woman a year before murdering her until he died of old age.
• Dead Rising: Watchtower: Logan is an anarchistic biker, taking advantage of a zombie outbreak when bored with his old life. Logan and his gang sneak into a quarantined zone to loot, where he offers help to a married couple for an impossible price, beating the husband down and leaving the wife to be Eaten Alive. When one of his men gets bitten, Logan jokingly asks if he'd rather be shot or get chained up and turned. Logan kidnaps Crystal O'Rourke, and leaves Chase Carter in a zombie death trap. Before attempting to rape Crystal, he reveals his plans to blow up the quarantine wall and spread outbreak further. When he gets bitten, Logan tries to destroy the wall as he succumbs to the virus.
• The False Faces (1919): Karl Ekstrom is a crooked German saboteur who murdered the sister of the film's Anti-Hero, Michael Lanyard, as well as her young son. Now working to sabotage the Allied Powers in the heat of World War I, Ekstrom swipes a canister from Lanyard containing valuable information about the Allied frontlines; murders his own ally so not to split the reward for capturing the information; then distracts from his theft by ordering a civilian ship bombed by a German sub, resulting in dozens of innocent casualties. At the film's end, Ekstrom advances on Lanyard's Love Interest Cecilia, intent on having her for himself.
• The Fifth Element: Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg is a vicious businessman who undercuts his sillier moments by abandoning any semblance of humanity in the name of profit. Using the Mangalores to try and steal the stones of the four elements that would save the world from "Mr. Shadow", Zorg intends to allow Earth to be destroyed in return for a massive payment from Shadow. Attacking a luxury ship to Fhloston Paradise, Zorg stows aboard to shoot countless innocents dead, then tries to bomb the ship to escape with the stones. Loyal to none, Zorg also seemingly sells weapons to the Mangalores, only for them to self-destruct and kill the loyal buyers, and fires one million taxi drivers out of callousness during an economic downturn.
• Lured (1947): Julian Wilde is an apparently friendly ally to Robert Fleming, but is actually the "Poet Killer" responsible for a series of murders. Wilde selects a woman and sends the police a taunting letter with clues about her appearance, knowing they will never solve it before he swoops in and kills his target. With nearly 10 women dead by his hand, Wilde murders Sandra Carpenter's best friend and tries to make Sandra herself his next victim while framing Fleming for it all.
• Misconduct (2016):
  • Arthur Denning is a a morally bankrupt pharmaceutical executive who only cares about money and his pride. For years, Denning has run illegal, illicit drug trials that cover up the dangerous qualities of the medicines so he can release them to the public and rake in the dough. These faulty drugs have killed hundreds of people in horrifying ways, something Denning cares nothing about, as he only values the profits his drugs bring him. Denning is also an emotional abuser to his girlfriend, and he works with his ally Abrams in using murderous methods to cover up their actions.
  • Charles Abrams is a seemingly benevolent attorney, but is actually in league with Dennning. Abrams has used his position to destroy evidence and throw cases against Denning for years, helping Denning's heinous pharmaceutical crimes run rampant simply so Abrams can line his pockets with bribes. When rookie lawyer Ben begins investigating Denning, Abrams tries to frame him for murder, then dispatches "the Accountant" to kill Ben, his wife Charlotte, and an innocent neighbor to silence them all.
• Racket Busters (1938): John "Czar" Martin is a ruthless mobster and the face of the evils of racketeering. Martin has terrorized New York City for years, forcibly extorting and threatening people into becoming a part of his corrupt rackets while killing anyone who tries to become a witness for the police. One man who tries to go to the police is brutalized so badly by Martin that he's left comatose and amnesiac. In his scheme to take over the city's transportation and food supply, Martin forces truckers to join a "union", slashing the brake lines of dissenters so their vehicles get in deadly crashes. Martin further vandalizes and poisons the produce supplies of many farmer's markets, then forces a truckers' strike in an attempt to starve the entire city out until they bend to his whims.
• Timecop: U.S. Senator Aaron McComb dreams of becoming a plutocratic despot. Eager to abuse time travel for his own purposes, McComb initially uses it for financial interest schemes. To this end, McComb threatens his agents with erasing them and their entire families from existence, forcing them to kill themselves if the time agency tracks them down. After shooting one of his old business partners to grant his past self access to the victim's tech company, McComb rewrites history so that he completely controls time travel. Additionally extorting a time agent to become his mole against Agent Max Walker by again threatening to erase her family, McComb kills her regardless to tie up all loose ends and frames Walker when he goes back to save her. After having arranged several failed hits on Walker directly, McComb sends his goons back in the past to murder the younger Walker and his wife by blowing them both up in their home.
• While the City Sleeps (1928): Skeeter Carson is a gang leader and slimy Smug Snake responsible for a series of murders and robberies throughout the city. Nicknamed "Mile-Away" for his penchant for always having an alibi to his crimes, Skeeter works as an undertaker as a front for his criminal activities and cashes in on his own crimes by picking up the bodies of his gang's victims, subtly taunting the police the whole while. Skeeter murders his own girlfriend after she rats out on him, then after the girlfriend of one of his own mooks catches his eye, Skeeter sets him up to die in a hit so he can have his girlfriend to himself. Skeeter promptly tries to rape her as soon as she's in his clutches, and coldly shoots dead a cop who tries to stop the deed.
• Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway, by John Antal: SS Obersturmführer Carl Kodritz is a fanatical Nazi with a severe Hair-Trigger Temper. Leading a joint operation with Wilhelm Graf's Fallschirmjägers to combat the Allied invasion of Nazi-occupied Netherlands, Kodritz does everything at his disposal to make Graf and his men suffer for their lack of faith in Nazism. While initially treated as nothing but a petty bully, Kodritz shows his true colors by murdering Dutch civilians, solely because they were begging for food. At the height of his cruelty, Kodritz deals with the presence of armed teenagers by having them executed despite their surrender.
• The Jewish Book of Horror:
  • Demon Hunter Vashti, by Henry Herz: Haman, the Grand Vizier of the Persian King, is a secret worshiper of Ahriman who loathes the Jews after Mordecai's refusal to bow to him. Summoning demons, Haman unleashes them on the Jewish quarter to massacre innocent people, including pregnant women. When the king's soldiers investigates, Haman has them slaughtered as well before attempting to murder Queen Vashti and her allies.
  • The Eighth Night, by John Baltisberger: The Dybbuk of Ostropol is a wicked being who holds the town in thrall and brought down atrocities such as Pogroms and the Nazi deaths. Upon heroine Bailey inadvertently unleashing it, the Dybbuk tortures her by forcing her to watch it murder innocent people and subjecting her to horrific psychological and physical torment while she performs the ritual to banish it eternally.
• The Village of Eight Graves, by Seishi Yokomizo: Yozo Tajimi was the psychopathic head of the Tajimi family whose atrocities still haunt the titular village 26 years after his death. Growing obsessed over a young Tsuruko, he kidnapped and imprisoned her, raping her daily as he intimidated his and her families into silence. His arrogance and depravity only growing when Tsuruko gave birth to a baby Tatsuya, Yozo would later physically abuse Tsuruko upon discovering she was in love with someone else, torturing her child of spite by branding it with fire tongs. When Tsuruko at last escaped with Tatsuya, Yozo took his frenzied wrath out on the village, massacring 32 innocent citizens including his wife, injuring countless others, and permanently traumatizing the survivors.
• Chiefs: Foxy Funderburke is a monstrous Serial Killer whose evil taints the town of Delano for decades. Foxy prowls the highways looking for vagrants and traveling teenage boys, who he lures into his car before driving them out to his isolated farm. Once his victims are in his clutches, Foxy indulges in his fetish for power and authority by dressing up as a police officer, then sexually assaulting and torturing the boys until he kills them. Foxy kills well over 40 teenagers over the years, always escaping exposure by the narrowest of margins through either dumb luck, or by murdering those who might know the truth—specifically targeting 3 separate police chiefs in Delano for trying to investigate him.
• H/JACK: Edgar Janssen is the ruthless co-leader of the Cheapside Firm, a crime syndicate based in London. To ensure he has subordinates that will do what he says, Janssen blackmails various people throughout his local community by threatening to kill their loved ones, including children, in order to force them to do certain jobs for him, which include dispatching hitmen to kill various people. As such, when the syndicate is busted and Edgar, alongside his partner John-Bailey Brown, his partner-in-crime, are arrested, Janssen coerces several people to hijack flight KA-29 to blackmail the U.K. government into releaseing them. Once they are released, the duo goes through a pre-planned route, and switches cars with decoys, leading the police to arrest the decoys instead of the real criminals. Edgar then has his double agent on the flight, Amanda, take control of the cockpit by killing Captain Robin Allen. It is then revealed that Edgar, John, and their associate, Devlin, plan to stage a bear raid on Kingdom Airlines' stock so they can reap financial rewards from it, presumably to pay off their debts. However, Edgar decides to let flight KA-29 crash into Central London, which would kill hundreds, just so he can get all the money he wants from the scheme.
• The Holy Pearl: Shi You Ming is the lord of demons, once spurred by the priestess Xian Yue of Nanyue. Spitefully killing Xian Yue in her lover's form, Shi You Ming orders a series of attacks on Nanyue, massacring villages, while having subordinates sew political discord. Forcing beaten foes and corrupting good humans into his service, Shi You Ming also horribly abuses his minions, keeping a wall of the skulls of those who fail him. Dead set on ruling the whole world, Shi You Ming kidnaps the daughter of a God in a bid to steal their power, then launches total war to reign supreme.
• 1963 series' "It Crawled Out of The Woodwork": Doctor Bloch, despite appearing the charming and supportive directing chief of the NORCO research centre, is truthfully a callous, selfish man who will let nothing get in the way of his research. Following the accidental creation of a creature made of pure energy, Doctor Bloch becomes obsessed with discovering the secrets of "his discovery", purely for the knowledge. Thus, when the other scientists attempt to destroy the creature, Bloch kills them all—along with security personal—then brings them back to life to force them to help him research the creature. Seeking more expertise, Bloch lures Professor Paul Stuart, then forces Professor Stephanie Linden to trap him with the creature so Bloch could do the same to him as well. Bloch punishes anyone who steps out of line by dispatching the creature upon them and is content to kill anyone who gets in the way of his research. Fatally wounded, Bloch's last act is to spitefully unleash the creature on the world, allowing it to indiscriminately kill everyone in the facility.
• Too Young to Die? (1990): Billy Canton is a despicable pimp with a predilection for underage girls. Billy's latest target, Mandy, is a homeless 14-year-old girl who Billy quickly addicts to drugs and coerces into dancing at strip joints for cash. Billy rapes her himself, and when she tries to leave him for military man Mike, Billy begins stalking and harassing her. When Mandy comes back to him, Billy turns her out to paying clients for a time before getting her so high on drugs that he's able to lead her in killing Mike and endangering the man's girlfriend. For all his proclaimed care for Mandy, Billy never saw her as anything but a toy and moneymaker, and immediately sells her out to be executed when he is arrested.
• Dark Ages (Marvel Comics): Apocalypse is an ancient and vile mutant obsessed with strength who, after the heroes' battle with the Unmaker threw the world back into the Stone Age, took over Europe. Oppressing and enslaving its people, Apocalypse plans to reawaken the Unmaker and take its power, uncaring that the process will destroy the world. Apocalypse uses Magneto as the conduit to power his technology and kidnaps scientists across the world before having Purple Man brainwash them into working for him. When Quicksilver infiltrates his fortress, Apocalypse has him brainwashed and sends him back to Wakanda, resulting in Pietro killing Okoya and Johnny Storm while being aware but unable to do anything to stop it. Apocalypse sends Venom and Carnage after the heroes who set out to battle him. Apocalypse uses Cyclops to incinerate Wolverine because he need the latter's skeleton for his plan and rips Doctor Octopus in two after Octopus deduces Apocalypse's real plan. When the heroes storm his base, Apocalypse orders the Purple Man to use the brainwashed superheroes against their allies while preparing to take possession of the Unmaker's body and end the world.
• TheManBeHisLa's "Entropy of Vengeance" (Minecraft song): The First Zombie is one of the callous leaders of a cult that is seeking to bring fourth "The Hour Of The End" and enact vengeance upon the player that wronged them via mass mob sacrifice in order to create soul sand. Seeking to use the multiverse as his dinner plate, the Zombie goads the once-innocent Wolf into joining his cause by using their shared backstories to his advantage, all the while mocking him for still caring for his player. Upon convincing him to sign his soul away, the Zombie, the Wolf, and the Wither Skeleton join together to create the Wither before attacking their player's current resting place, killing them without mercy. With a sadistic grin on his face and enjoying the levels of depravity he pushed the once-friendly canine too, the Zombie proves himself to be far more depraved than any of his fellow cult members.
• Rare Americans' "Hullabaloo": Uncle Graham is the ruthless head of the controversial Lemming Corporation, which he dismisses the controversies and the protesting as hullabaloo. Acting as a friendly and fair boss, he is in reality an exploitative and abusive individual who overworks, drugs, and fearmongers his employees into submission, forcing them into agreeing to "shake his hand" to seal their fates, before turning into a giant monster and eating his employees.
• Wrong Station
  • Episode 21—"The Catcher": The General is the Catcher's vile ancestor. In life, he was on the side of a civil war supporting slavery and was infamous for his brutality, once having 600 prisoners of war bayoneted to "save ammunition". When inadvertently summoned by his descendant, the General goes on a supernatural killing spree, brutally killing the descendants of his abolitionist opponents. When confronted by the Catcher, the General denies any familial bonds between them, and summons the tortured spirits of his victims to kill him, fully intending to turn the world back to his cruel, pro-slavery beliefs.
  • Episode 29—"Keep the Crows at Bay": The Magician is a cruel, manipulative Immortality Seeker. Setting himself up as the king's most trusted advisor, the Magician has taxes raised exorbitantly to fund his cruel experiments, using humans to create tortured, mindless soldiers. When the Lord Chamberlain becomes suspicious, the Magician experiments on him, leaving him an immortal severed head who will slowly decay into madness. Having noble conspirators against his rule drawn and quartered and revolts from the people violently suppressed, the Magician also orders the construction of a Hellhole Prison in the form of a giant pit, in which all who oppose his rule are left to slowly die from exposure and starvation.
• Dr. Arthur Watts is a narcissist willing to kill anyone in the way of his enormous ego. When James Ironwood showed preference to a soldier named Nicholas Shade, Watts responded by brainwashing Shade into a Serial Killer called the Nightwalker, causing many innocent deaths, and faking his own death with an airship crash that killed his entire family. When Winter confronts Shade, Watts orders him to capture her so he can mutilate her body for James to find, but when she fixes the brainwashing first, Watts kills him to protect his identity. Later on, Watts masterminds an attack on the unveiling of the new Knights, intending to kill all the dozens of innocents inside; when the attack is a failure and the terrorists have to retreat, Watts kills them all to cover up his involvement. Later on, Watts provides Cinder Fall the virus necessary to cause the Fall of Beacon, willing to kill everyone in Vale for the sake of his misplaced vengeance; he later personally ensures Vale's fall by manipulating the Vytal Tournament, tricking Pyrrha Nikos into murdering Penny Polendina while Penny's father Pietro and girlfriend Ruby Rose are Forced to Watch. Moving on to Atlas, Watts ensures Jacques Schnee becomes the sole council member in Atlas, then takes Atlas materials to Vacuo with the intent to completely destroy it.
• Commander Simon Blade is an Atlesian nationalist who views the citizens of Mantle as expendable. Believing himself to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner, Blade executes every person he sees committing a crime out of the belief that they're scum compared to him. Twice executing drug busts that kill everyone inside, including one person who tries to flee, Blade previously murdered Henry Marigold for stealing pharmaceuticals, sparing May so that she may spread the story from "the city that actually matters". Later on, Blade allies with Arthur Watts to sell out the unveiling of the Knights, fully willing to let everyone inside die for the sake of greed; when the attack goes wrong, Blade kills three of the terrorists personally to cover up his involvement, smiling all the while. Later on, Blade continues working with Watts to assassinates Jacques Schnee's political rivals and their families, ensuring that the latter retains sole control of Atlas and working with Jacques to spread misery and death throughout the Kingdom.
• Jacques Schnee is the CEO of the Schnee Dust Company and the leader of his own criminal empire. After manipulating his grieving wife to steal the company from her, Jacques stole her shares to ensure she would never leave him, then began regularly emotionally and physically abusing his children. Jacques immediately institutes dangerous budget cuts, leading to dangerous events like cave-ins becoming regular occurrences and leading to dozens of deaths among his workforce; his workers also commit heinous crimes like branding their workers, with Neon Katt's mother committing suicide from the trauma. Among other heinous acts, Jacques forces his daughter Weiss to witness terrorists execute his board of directors so that she'll become a racist like him; bombs the rally of a political opponent, killing dozens of innocents; buys trafficked slaves from the Crown to work in his mines; assassinates any business rivals, including Flynt Coal's father; and masterminds a terrorist attack on a mall with the White Fang, double-crossing them afterwards for the sake of stoking anti-Faunus tensions, all the while planning on running for the Council to take even more power for himself. Through assassinations, Jacques becomes the sole council member of Atlas, then gives Watts access to his resources so he can destroy Vacuo.
• Damian Void is the man responsible for the White Fang's many atrocities. Funding the Fang as a way to exterminate humanity, Damian targets the Faunus just as much as he targets humans, making no secret that he's only interested in killing as many people as possible. After ordering Roman to attack Team RWBY with the Paladin, Damian later takes Ruby hostage when he finds her in Mountain Glenn; when she refuses to talk, Damian electrocutes her until her Aura breaks, then holds a knife at her throat to make her team back off. When allied with Cinder Fall, Damian funds the Breach, intending to massacre everyone in Vale simply to kill a few of his business rivals and to satiate his endless sadism. When this fails, Damian executes his own henchman for annoying him, then goes on a killing spree across Vale, taking back what he believes is owed for the Breach's failure. Damian later joins Adam Taurus's assault on Vale by having his forces go through the streets and apartments slaughtering everyone in sight, with his men executing entire apartment buildings worth of people. It is later revealed that Damian helped corrupt his cousin Sienna into radicalizing the White Fang to begin with, and as the Belladonnas try to retake the Fang, Damian leads an assault on their home and gleefully tortures Ghira Belladonna just for more fun.
• Adam Taurus, the "Spiteful Bull", remains as sadistically petty as ever. As a terrorist that primarily targets civilian populations, Adam already has over 50 kills to his name after two attacks, racking up dozens more when he bombs a restaurant. When Winter Schnee publicly calls him a coward, Adam demands she take it back; when she doesn't, Adam seeks her home and murders her wife and infant daughter out of pure spite. When Winter arrives a moment too late, Adam briefly spares her so she'll die in pain, then sets her apartment on fire to escape in the chaos; fresh off this incident, Adam attempts to murder Ciel Soleil's team and kills her partner Dawn. Adam later orders his forces to kill everyone in sight during the fall of Vale, including other Faunus, before making his way to Beacon and personally killing students there; when he discovers Blake Belladonna in the chaos, he first rapes her with his gun — having also raped her when she was fifteen — then slices off Yang Xiao Long's arm just to further spite her for leaving him. Turning his eyes to Mistral, Adam's forces destroy an airship and kill over a hundred innocent people, then plant bombs all over Haven's campus to kill everyone there. When the plan goes awry, Adam tries to kill everyone there, including his own men, out of spite, and when he returns to the throne room, he takes out his rage by massacring his loyal forces because he knows they won't fight back.
• First film: Stuart "Stu" Macher is one of the original Ghostfaces with his partner William "Billy" Loomis. A horror-loving psychopath who leaped at the chance to become a real killer, Stu assisted Billy in abducting, raping, torturing, and brutally murdering Maureen Prescott, framing her lover Cotton Weary for the crime. A year on, Stu murders Casey Becker and her boyfriend Steve out of spite for Casey leaving him, leaving her corpse for her parents to find, and then gleefully participates in the Ghostface murder spree with Billy that even sees his own girlfriend Tatum killed. Stu plans to massacre most of the attendees of a party so he and Billy can murder Sidney Prescott, frame her father for it, and pass themselves off as innocent victims free to continue planning their "sequel", with Stu more than happy to stab Billy for their plan, culminating in him attempting to throttle Sidney as he claims he "always had a thing" for her.
• Saga of the Skywalkers - A Fantasy Retelling:
  • Emperor Palpatine, also known as Darth Sidious, is the ultimate source of evil in the story. Under his guise as a Senator of the Grand Republic, Palpatine organises the invasion of his own homeland of Naboo in order to become Supreme Chancellor. He kicks off a bloody world-wide war and eventually manipulates Anakin Skywalker to his side by promising him power to save his wife Padmé. Palpatine has almost all Jedi killed while reforming the Republic into the Empire under his rule. After Anakin is nearly killed, Palpatine uses his powers to transfer Padmé's life essence to him, killing her in the process. Palpatine spreads his tyranny and terror across the world, ultimately building the Death Star, a flying fortress that can destroy whole countries. After Vader's son Luke destroys the Death Star, Palpatine plans to turn him to the Dark Side. He has the whole Rebellion lured to the site of the rebuilt Death Star and tries to make Luke kill his father, ordering the Death Star's crew to destroy Endor if the Rebels gain the upper hand. Seemingly killed by a redeemed Anakin, Palpatine's spirit survives, and creates a homonculi named Snoke and has him corrupt Han and Leia's son Ben, and builds a new empire to terrorise the world. Ready to announce his return, Palpatine unveils a fleet with the power to destroy whole nations. He threatens destruction to anybody who refuses his new rule and tries to possess his granddaughter Rey, whose parents he had murdered.
  • Rogue One & A New Hope: Grand Moff Tarkin is the Imperial officer whose doctrine aided in the creation of the Death Star. After sanctioning the destruction of the Holy City in Jedha and its surrounding settlements, Tarkin takes control of the Death Star from his rival Krennic. He uses it to destroy a facility on Scariff, killing all Rebels there as well as countless Imperials. After Princess Leia is captured, Tarkin has Vader torture her before threatening to use the Death Star on Alderaan if she doesn't reveal the location of the Rebel base. When Leia seemingly gives him the location, Tarkin has the Death Star destroy Alderaan anyway before ordering Leia to be killed. After letting the Millennium Falcon escape so they can track it to the Rebel base, Tarkin prepares to destroy Yavin, thinking only about the drink he will have after the Rebellion is completely destroyed.
• The Lost Years: Olgoi-Khorkhoi—"Death Worm"—is a callous warlord described by one of his dying victims as "all things evil". Taking advantage of the circumstances in Asia and his self-proclaimed lineage to Genghis Khan, Olgoi-Khorkhoi amassed a large army of thugs to terrorize entire continents in various forms, from rape to mass murder, including the killing of children. Additionally profiting on unwilling humans and mutants fighting for their lives, Olgoi-Khorkhoi's subordinates keep them in line via explosive body implants. When Michelangelo finally confronts Olgoi-Khorkhoi, the latter mocks his vengeance as non-beneficial and admits that he barely remembers ransacking the Japanese village that instigated Michelangelo's hunt for him. Viewing all lives as he would a grain of sand, Olgoi-Khorkhoi kills those that are not useful to his purposes.
• Deadbolt: Madam Stela is the narcissistic and sociopathic leader of the 1000 Year Royals, an ancient vampiric organisation, and is far worse than Roland or Ibzan. Madam Stela hates the undead, despite being one herself, and is shown to treat her minions as nothing more than pawns in her own game, going so far in sacrificing several of them for her Ash harvests. While ostensibly doing so to help Ibzan's plans of completing the Corpse Portal and profit from it, Madam Stela plans to reach the Flames and betray Ibzan and the Dredged at the end, considering them as no longer useful. Madam Stela is also a Black Widow who killed two of her previous husbands for unimaginably petty reasons, as well as proxying the death of Sir Stela with Ibzan and the Dredged's help.
• Jagged Alliance 3: Slavemaster Graaf is the cruel Legion warlord of the Diamond Red Mine. Once a slave himself, Graaf was made overseer after ratting out the escape planes of his fellow slaves. Looking down on the other slaves for their perceived weakness, Graaf leads a brutal regime, making sure that all slaves arriving at Diamond Red know that they only way they'll ever leave this place is in a coffin. When the player's mercenaries arrive in the area and Graaf becomes aware of them, he makes good on his promise by ordering his men to kill the slaves, while also shooting them from the balcony of his office with a sniper rifle. Once defeated, Graaf offers to work for the player, claiming that free workers are just lazy thieves and that they need someone like him in charge.
• Kona5's 'Verse:
  • Oyadori No Ko: Emokinia, the Devil herself, was imprisoned long ago for possessing a little girl. To ensure her freedom, Emokinia ordered her loyal supporters to kidnap nine people every year as part of a sacrifice, placing their souls in Hell to complete a series of deadly trials to ensure her freedom by promising them happiness upon her release. Participating in the latest trial as the seemingly easy-going Domoto Sadae, Emokinia helps "Hottie" complete the trials and even kills Daizeamon after he remembers the truth about her. Released after Hottie's completion, Emokinia pettily slaughters her entire cult and promises to torture Hottie to death. Escaping defeat by killing one of the rescued captives and posing as her, Emokinia promises to regain her powers and destroy all of mankind.
  • Sukutte: Chinko and Professor Nakada are the masterminds behind the monster. Chinko finances Nakada's experiments to create the ultimate bioweapon, threatening to kill him if he fails her. Nakada has the teenager Shigemi kidnapped and tortuously experimented on to transform her into a skinless monster, having her kill anybody who stumbles into their home as a way to test her capabilities. After Mari and Konchi escape the house, Chinko moves their operation elsewhere, implying to have done this before with similar operations, while Nakada hopes to kidnap Mari and perform similar experiments on her to turn her into another bioweapon.
  • Pilgrim (RPG Maker): Master Alice is a resident of the Other World who had accumulated her wealth by reaping the souls of her victims and selling them to the highest bidder. Alice sets her eyes on the young Inago, saying that in return for dealing with Inago's older sister Akemi's bullies, she would return to collect Inago's soul in two years. Despite Inago's insistence to not harm the bullies, Alice gruesomely murders the three bullies and sentences the ringleader, Suu, to eternal torture in a parallel world. When Akemi first confronts Alice, she engages her in a card game for her soul, then challenges Akemi to survive her building full of deadly traps and horrors to save Inago. Whilst exploring, Akemi uncovers a diary belonging to a young girl, heavily implying that Alice murdered the girl and took her body after she granted her wish. Finally, Alice enacts another game which ends with either Akemi or Suu taking Inago's place as her victim.
• Physical Exorcism Series:
  • Nya, the Goddess of Reincarnation, is a humorous yet wicked sadist who values humans as toys meant for their own personal entertainment. Entrapping the comatose Marty in his own personal fantasy realm, Nya has sapient NPCs killed in order to keep the world in order so they can keep ruling it as a tyrant. Beaten by Marty, Nya reincarnates the defeated Gl'aki into the human realm, enabling her plan to unleash a Zombie Apocalypse by having her infect an entire hospital. Seeking to toy with Marty some more, Nya traps Marty in a "Groundhog Day" Loop where he continuously dies as he's slowly driven to insane possessiveness over his new girlfriend Sarah "Sally" Sweet.
  • Loser Reborn & Case 02: Paranormal Evil: Gla'aki is the joyously evil Goddess of the Undead. Valuing the destruction of everything as one of her greatest joys, Gla'aki enjoys converting mortals into her undead slaves, having an entire dungeon full of them. Reincarnated in the human realm by Nya after her initial defeat, Gla'aki instigates a zombie outbreak in a hospital with hopes of unleashing her virus worldwide to enslave all of mankind, using Nya's cult to make Sally Sweet her vessel to enter the physical realm.
• Urien Rakarth, aka the Sculpter of Torments, is the Master Haemonculus of the Prophets of Flesh. An eons-old experimenter, Rakarth has spent millennia cutting apart countless victims and restitching them into mindless, pain-stricken monstrosities as attack dogs or attractions for his Carnivals of Pain: spectacles put on for high-ranking Drukhari to behold slaves being devoured, payment for attendance of which frequently involves Rakarth demanding pieces of the viewers' minds or bodies. Spreading his depravity, Rakarth teaches his twisted followers with pride, even educating Fabius Bile himself in the ways of torturous experimentation, and is known to have demanded so many victims for his experiments that he forces Archons to go to war and take entire sectors prisoner just to ensure he never runs out of bodies.
• Fool's Gold's "Kylandria" arc: Bouclaire is a ten-year-old girl who wants to be a princess; unlike most ten-year-old girls, Bouclaire is devoid of empathy or affection. Bouclaire's first act of villainy is the murder of her own parents, and from there she discovers a way to produce poison by cultivating contaminated potatoes. After testing said poison on several innocent victims to her own amusement, she makes her way to Kylandria, where she "schemes, lies and poisons her way to the top", leaving a trail of corpses in her wake before she finally achieves her dreams after tricking the royal family into adopting her. Then, Bouclaire decides she'd prefer to rule for herself and kills the King and Queen, threatening the legitimate heirs into allowing her to take control. Queen Bouclaire proves to be a bloodthirsty tyrant who declares war on neighbouring cities, poisons entire villages for harbouring a single dissident, and paints almost everything in the kingdom glittery pink before the Fool's Gold party is finally able to end her reign of terror.

Regarding High Evolutionary, it’s a fairly minor correction, so can that be done by any user, or would it need more approval?

Either way; what will it look like though?

• Vol. 3: The High Evolutionary, the universe's most consummate Evilutionary Biologist, has tortured, vivisected, and incinerated countless sapient beings in his never-ending quest to create the so-called "perfect" society. In his earlier days, the High Evolutionary experimented upon animals he uplifted into intelligence; among them was a young Rocket Raccoon, who endured torture that even the hardened Nebula says is worse than what Thanos inflicted upon her. After Rocket corrected the High Evolutionary on a slight mathematical error, the High Evolutionary began brooding over the idea that one of his creations upstaged him. Over this, the High Evolutionary allowed Rocket to stage a breakout with his friends in "Batch 89"—only to murder Lylla, the love of his life, in front of him, even cruelly mimicking Rocket's hysterical sobbing to his face. After this, the High Evolutionary goes from uplifting and destroying entire civilizations as a matter of course; when a planet of billions known as Counter-Earth fails to satisfy his expectations, he annihilates it and everyone on it, and earlier threatens to destroy his servant Ayesha's entire civilization should she fail him. Throughout the rest of the movie, the High Evolutionary blows up his own minions; commands the slaughter of Knowhere, and nearly allows his entire spaceship and thousands of people on it—including a laboratory full of hundreds of children he's bred to be his next attempt at a "perfect race"—to be destroyed in his insane obsession with killing the Guardians. The High Evolutionary's utopian rhetoric is peeled down as the ravings of an egomaniac by the end: a man who doesn't want to make things perfect, but "just hates things the way they are".

Forgive me if this sounds rude, but it's not that difficult a change to envision. This took me half a minute to come up with.

Forgive me for being pedantic, but should that be "people" or "people and other sapient beings"?

Also, for the Dragon Ball page: Is there a way to have Lucifer before Frieza or something? It seems odd to have Frieza first (even though he's franchise-wide) despite him not being in the original continuity.

Umh yeah he is. Frieza was the greater scope villain of the saiyan saga and big bad of the namek saga. And honestly is responsjble for the entire series by wiping out the Saiyans

Lucifer comes from a non Canon film. Putting him before the guy responsible for the events of the main continuity is not something I think is a good idea.

I would keep Frieza first. On top of being more of a franchise-wide villain, he's also the first CM introduced in canon, which I think should take more prominence.

I can change the HE's to just "sapient beings."

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Aug 20th 2023 at 2:47:18 PM

That looks good.

Works. I've added to the Sandbox and YMMV.

I hate to lose the Driven by Envy pothole, but Would Hurt a Child works better, and the other potholes are staying.

Edited by ACW on Aug 20th 2023 at 3:20:23 PM

Keep Frieza on top.

Can we disscus Deluxe proposed cut.

He's not the only one. More opinions on Rip would be nice.

As for Darth Jadus, I'm leaning cut—kinda hard to qualify when half of the baddies also have weapons of mass destruction at their disposal.

I'm good with a cut for Jadus, doesn't sound like he stacks up to the rest. I... think a cut for Rip as well? Sounds like something I would want to verify myself, but I don't have the time available for that so I'll trust your judgement.

While I'm here, a few more edits. From Hellblazer: when I originally read this arc, I was initially concerned when his backstory shows him mourning the death of his pet. Rereading some earlier issues, however, it becomes clear his entire career of murder is being used to sadistically kill and suffocate his own love for others. To avoid confusion since it's only clarified very briefly before we get his backstory, I made this small addition.

• "The Family Man": Samuel Morris, the titular Family Man, is an elderly man with a penchant for killing happy families in order to deaden his own compassion. Upon locating them, with a mother, father, and children, he would murder them by lacerating their bodies and ending by slashing their throats. Having murdered his own parents as a child, the Family Man had a habit of leaving no witnesses, with his victims including Constantine's estranged father. Despite being only human, the utterly sadistic Family Man, with over 70 known murders and possibly even more unknown, remains one of the most evil and disturbing villains in Hellblazer's annals.

And from Agents of SHIELD: I've fiddled with this entry a lot already, but I wanted to trim down some unnecessary information in the beginning while emphasizing a bit more of her cruelties.

• Current: Sibyl, the Chronicom Predictor, leads the Hunters in their invasion of Earth's past. Forming an alliance with HYDRA, Sibyl fast-tracks Project Insight to kill the Avengers while they're still children, having her Hunters kill and steal the faces of both loyal S.H.I.E.L.D. agents and Mack's parents. Sibyl survives an explosion that destroys her Hunters and convinces a lonely programmer to construct crude replacements, killing him once they're complete and providing knowledge of the future to Nathaniel Malick. With her help, Malick recruits killers destined to die because of S.H.I.E.L.D. and lays siege to the Inhuman sanctuary of Afterlife, subjecting the inhabitants to agonizing power-stealing processes. Sibyl later makes contact with the Chronicom fleet and orders them to obliterate every S.H.I.E.L.D. base on the planet, intent on repeating the process upon being transported back to the primary timeline, and threatens to enslave Coulson out of annoyance with his constant interference. While rationalizing her invasion as an effort to save her species from extinction, this is little more than Sibyl's coldly logical belief that Chronicoms are superior and more deserving of survival over humanity.
• New: Sibyl, the Chronicom Predictor, leads the Hunters in their invasion of Earth's past. Forming an alliance with HYDRA, Sibyl fast-tracks Project Insight to kill thousands of potential enemies, while having her Hunters kill and steal the faces of both loyal S.H.I.E.L.D. agents and Mack's parents. Sibyl survives an explosion that destroys her Hunters and, after manipulating and murdering a lonely programmer who helps her return, provides knowledge of the future to Nathaniel Malick. With her help, Malick recruits killers destined to die because of S.H.I.E.L.D. and assaults the Inhuman sanctuary of Afterlife, subjecting the inhabitants to agonizing power-stealing processes. Sibyl later makes contact with the Chronicom fleet and orders them to obliterate every S.H.I.E.L.D. base on the planet, intent on repeating the process upon being transported back to the primary timeline, and threatens to enslave Coulson out of annoyance with his constant interference. While rationalizing her invasion as an effort to save her species from extinction, this is little more than Sibyl's coldly logical belief that Chronicoms are superior and more deserving of survival over humanity, as she proves fully willing to dominate and destroy her own people should it suit her needs.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Aug 20th 2023 at 3:51:26 PM

Jadus seems like a cut, at least for his resources.

Jarak doesn't seem too impressive himself. The others have millions or billions of deaths, while Jarak has...an unspecified number (plus torturing his daughter).

I'm guessing Malak's too tragic to count?

Edited by ACW on Aug 20th 2023 at 4:24:37 AM

Malak has a major Alas, Poor Villain moment during his death scene on the light side path, where he seems almost wistful, wondering what could've happened if he'd had a second chance to redeem himself like Revan did.

Which makes me wonder: Could his Dark path incarnation count, or is that cheating?

Besides the Light Side path being the canonical one, Revan, the Player Character, is established as being a worse evil than Malak on the Dark Side path.

Oh, well then...And Revan doesn't seem anywhere close to the trope.

If Jarak stays, should he get an expansion?

Edited by ACW on Aug 20th 2023 at 5:17:15 AM

Why would Jarak need an expansion? You were asking about if he should he cut earlier.

Cur Jadus and lean Rip as well

Yeah, if he doesn't get cut, he should probably get a rewrite.