Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Eh, cut him.
BTW, the Blade film baddies can stay at Marvel Films, but should I also copy and paste to the main film page? Ditto for Howard the Duck.
Cut Rippner
Can I add this to One eye's entry. Speckles: The Tarbosaurus
- Complete Monster: One-Eye is a Serial Killer and engine of hate and rage in a Tyrannosaurus rexs skin. One-Eye demonstrates he's a calculating, rational monster by initiating a disaster to kill the young Speckles's family and murders his siblings for fun rather than for food. He proceeds to haunt Speckles throughout his entire life, trying to kill him or those the Tarbosaurus cares for. In one occasion, One-Eye tries to force himself on Speckle's mate Blue Eyes. At the film's end, One-Eye even murders one of Speckles's children and tries to murder the other by hurling the hatchling into the ocean.
Edited by miraculous on Jul 17th 2023 at 4:15:55 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Boot Rippner from the flight.
Does anyone have a tally for Mick
?
Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 17th 2023 at 7:34:02 AM
Cut Rippner.
Mir's addition to One-Eye's entry looks good to me.
Edited by ASghhrv6ub on Jul 17th 2023 at 12:47:06 PM
I am the one, I am the one, the godlike terror train, superior artificial brain, feel free to call me BlaineThere's been a lot of talk since I last came here so I'll go through some of them.
@7765
: I'm not keen with mentioning which cases the Ace Attorney characters appear in. I would consider cutting all the cases maybe except for Redd's, since almost all of them (except for Redd & Brett) are Big Bad-types.
@7766
: Thanks for the standardization input. There's a lot to cover, so I'll just acknowledge it and go through it in a later post.
@7779
: I'm okay with the Potimas rewrite.
@7788
: If it's Offstage Villainy then Rippner should be cut.
@7805
: I'm all right with the addition.
Mir: That's fine. Pothole it to Attempted Rape.
Papyrus: I don't know how well known it is that those two are Marvel characters.
Just opened a thread for page image for The Legend of Zelda page
. If anyone is interested.
Now for the response to post #7766
:
- I'll present my ideas for Monster Disney, Monster Kamen Rider, Monster Sherlock Holmes & Monster Transformers in another post because I'll go to bed soon. (I may also do the same for other pages but I think we should wait until I get them all in one go)
- Monster Super Sentai can do without AC for the folders (the 2020s section would probably become a folder anyways when we get another 2020s Sentai entry, so the AC for that should go away and we wouldn't need the markup)
- Everything else I am okay with.
- The "Arc titles" part sounds good.
- Cutey Honey could have more upcoming proposals (I saw three effort posts for the franchise in Jackie's sandbox), until then we should leave the page as it is.
- You can cut the blue link at the Supersonic duology at Dragon Ball.
- For Spider-Man, Mega Man & Star Wars, I plan to produce a rough format of how they should look like if we want to go ahead with the changes.
- In Monster Ultra Series, we have Ultraman Belial located in the "World of the Land of Light/(Nebula) M78 universe" section. However, his tree includes Geed, which is set in one of the Next Generation Universes. From the wiki information I've gathered, Belial comes from the World of the Land of Light but he crosses over to another universe in Geed. How should we handle the entries in Belial's tree with this in mind? (I'm okay with leaving the tree as it is but it's something I feel like asking)
Edited by Draxterrus on Jul 19th 2023 at 12:41:43 AM
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.My responses to Drax up there:
- For other page format ideas, I already started reverting pages before this post since I generally got support from others, so I'm gonna continue making the changes, post the list of pages that were changed and what was changed, and then we can go from there.
- For Super Sentai, sure, another example for the 2020s could eventually come and we'd switch back to folders, but that example doesn't exist right now, so right now it makes the most sense to change the format slightly and then change it back if/when we get another example so we're not mismatching formats.
- On the other hand, I'll leave Cutey Honey alone, not because of any future plans (because that's not what we operate on) but because in retrospect it's not worth making any major changes to that page at the moment. The biggest tree is only three entries and they're not large, so that doesn't necessarily warrant a split.
- I know literally nothing about the Ultra Series so I can't comment there.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jul 18th 2023 at 1:35:03 PM
Honestly at this point my biggest vote is that we just accept STAR's input on how to format the pages since that was the agreed-upon layout and he's gotten majority agreement. I just want to get these subpage changes done and speaking frankly, the fact that this all started because someone was unilaterally changing content without alerting the threads makes me not keen to now want to wait for their input before following site-wide rules and fixing these pages up. I love what STAR has recommended and is doing for the pages and would just advise we let him chime in on further pages as he goes.
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!Okay, I've made the changes that I suggested in this post
. Now, we can go ahead and decide if we like it - if we don't, I'll be happy to revert them myself. Here we go:
- Monster Digimon (Split to AC and !! formatting since one media form only has one example)
- Monster Disney (moved all the AC and !! stuff back one level to give Gargoyles, Once Upon a Time, TRON, Pirates of the Caribbean, The Haunted Mansion (by default more than anything else) Disney Kingdoms, and A Twisted Tale their own folders)
- Monster Dragon Quest (Split to AC and !! to split off IX and VII - four and three entries respectively)
- Monster Fullmetal Alchemist (Gave the live-action film trilogy its own AC tree and left the video game in Other Media)
- Monster Godzilla (Gave the Showa Era its own folder and put the other Tohoverse stuff under a new folder called "Other Eras")
- Monster Kamen Rider (Split up sections for Kamen Rider Kabuto (only three entries but those entries are huge), Kamen Rider Kiva (four entries), and Kamen Rider Build (only two entries but they're gigantic))
- Monster Lupin III (Split off Part II)
- Monster Marvel Animation (Moved all the AC's to !! so that the AC's inside of folders could be moved outside while keeping larger universes together)
- Monster Mega Man (Moved the format back one step to give NT Warrior its own folder)
- Monster Sherlock Holmes (Split the trees for the Gaslight series, Sherlock, Elementary, and the first tree in the Comics folder)
- Monster Spider Man (Split the Carnage anthology into its own tree)
- Monster Star Wars (Moved the format one step back to give Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars: Legacy, Tales of the Jedi, and Star Wars: Roleplaying Game their own trees)
- Monster Super Sentai (folder titles became AC because 2020s only has one example - as previously stated, if 2020s ever gets a second example, it's an incredibly easy switch to revert)
- Monster Transformers (Every part of the formatting went back two steps - AC to !, folder titles to !!, and so on - to get the AC's out from underneath the folders)
- Arc titles (with whether or not "Arc" is in the title):
- Monster Berserk (Yes)
- Monster Black Clover (Yes)
- Monster Bleach (Outside information conflicted so I said no)
- Monster Dragon Ball (Per the official site
and other sources, arc titles are actually called "Sagas" and are included in the title. While this is listed here, I also removed the one link I said I would to make the entire link red)
- Monster Fairy Tail (Couldn't find anything official, but the FT wiki said no)
- Monster Fist Of The North Star (FOTNS wiki said no)
- Monster O Parts Hunter (Couldn't find anything so I assumed no)
- Monster Sailor Moon (No)
Alrighty... Now that those are done, what do we think?
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jul 18th 2023 at 3:39:00 PM
Works good for me. One change I'd suggest: Even though it has only 3, might as well give the Doyle tree at Sherlock Holmes its own folder, if for no other reason than it should be the very first group, considering it's the original.
Also, don't worry about swapping the Mega Man sandbox; there are some new entries, so it'll be done next week anyway.
EDIT: Oh, and on another topic, this writeup...
- Complete Monster: Besides Richard himself, James Tyrell plays a bigger role as a combination of all of Richard's assassins, thus turning into an even bigger bastard than he was in the original play. A cold-blooded social climber, loyal to Richard only for money and the hope of promotion, Tyrell acts as Richard's pet assassin, murdering Richard's brother, George, and brother-in-law, Rivers, and hanging Lord Hastings on trumped up charges during Richard's rise to power. Following Richard's ascension to the throne, he has Tyrell—now the head of State Sec—smother his child nephews for good measure, and when Richard's ally, Buckingham, abandons him, it is Tyrell who captures, tortures, and ultimately strangles the duke while Richard looks on. Void of all emotion save self-satisfaction, Tyrell proves himself every bit as monstrous as his tyrannical boss.
Way too potholed, plus Richard got approved, so...
- James Tyrell is a cold-blooded social climber, loyal to Richard only for money and the hope of promotion. Tyrell acts as Richard's pet assassin, murdering Richard's brother, George, and brother-in-law, Rivers, and hanging Lord Hastings on trumped up charges during Richard's rise to power. Following Richard's ascension to the throne, he has Tyrell—now the head of State Sec—smother his child nephews for good measure, and when Richard's ally, Buckingham, abandons him, it is Tyrell who captures, tortures, and ultimately strangles the duke while Richard looks on. Void of all emotion save self-satisfaction, Tyrell proves himself every bit as monstrous as his tyrannical boss.
Edited by ACW on Jul 18th 2023 at 4:29:46 AM
I had a similar thought for the Doyle stories but didn't know whether it was worth it, so seeing someone else agree makes me comfortable doing that change. I'll make it shortly!
Editing to add: I'm obviously going to wait for more opinions, but if there are no major objections in about a day or so, then I'll go ahead and swap them in (minus Mega Man as requested)
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jul 18th 2023 at 4:36:15 AM
Yeah, I know it's only 3, and maybe it's just me (well, us
), but the original stories not being first just doesn't seem right.
P.S. I looked through the newer pages; I don't think there are any stray capitalization issues this time, and I took care of the "see here or here" links at the top.
Edited by ACW on Jul 18th 2023 at 4:39:02 AM
Aight I've cut the quotes bar the Owlman one since most people seemed on board with that staying and I'm moving the Frollo one to You Monster!. Am I alright to filter through the Live-Action TV next? I don't wanna just cut through with the discussion when the page layout one is happening.
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!

Cut Rippner