Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
That's why I said about anyone being able to verify. I'm aware Wikis aren't the supreme source of information but this is what the page for Rourke
says on the Disney Wiki. I've only searched this after seeing the loved ones entry.
Don't we ignore All Their In The Manual like that if it's not in the work ? The site goes on death of the author. If you don't put it in the work than its not something we care about.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."That's why I asked, if it was some canon tie-in stuff he's a cut, but if it's just some random All There in the Manual stuff he's a keep
"We'll meet again" | 🏳️⚧️There are a couple things I'd like clarified before we entertain it anyways: firstly, as mir says, was this even done by the film's writer?; secondly, what's the depth of his relation to his father... wanting to be a strong military man like the dad he hardly had the time to know alone doesn't sound redeeming, I'd expect some actual detail on how he was traumatized as the entry claims?
Right having a search, I genuinely don't know where this information has came from? There's no tie-ins that have the characters backstories and whatnot.
No idea, there's no citing any links about this backstory either.
Edited by WetFlannels on Jul 15th 2023 at 10:35:36 AM
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!Could have also been from the tie-in website at the time. Like I remember the toy story 2 website says Pete grew to love his being owned by the Katie the artist. (This is not me saying Pete is a CM, simply bringing up All There in the Manual stuff). The point is unless the movie heavily alludes to that a la The Batman (2022) and the rataalada ARG, I'm not willing to consider stuff like that canon.
Edited by jjjj2 on Jul 15th 2023 at 5:37:32 AM
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the midWell if this thing with his has seemingly cone from whoever wrote that description's ass I say keep Rourke
Edited by Agentofchaos on Jul 15th 2023 at 5:45:39 AM
"We'll meet again" | 🏳️⚧️We can ask the troper in question, they're still active on the website:
~Snailfish which supplementary materials told you that Rourke enlisted due to his father?
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the midYeah best I can find, Rourke's father is mentioned in DVD extras, the website, and the Journal of Milo Thatch, but even then nowhere can I find proof that he was "traumatized" by the loss of his dad, just mentions that his father died and Rourke wanted to "follow in his footsteps". Also Rourke apparently participated in the Wounded Knee massacre, who knew?
If that's all we have I'm gonna be a keep as well. When he was a child and could be because he admired strength. It's vague enough that it's not anywhere near disqualifying.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the midTook this off of Ultimate Spider-Man (2012). I assume he doesn't count in this show?
- While Norman Osborn was the Big Bad of Season 1 (though Spidey was led to believe that it was Dr. Octopus), the Green Goblin crossed way more lines than he ever did (attacking a school, destroying the SHIELD Helicarrier, crushing Connors' arm, turning Harry back into Venom (then disowning him when he rejected the symbiote), attempting to murder Spider-Man, kidnapping Peter Parker and turning him into Carnage, and trying to destroy the Helicarrier again (this time after setting Venom loose in it). And that's just the first two seasons.

Right uh here's a weird thing to bring up. On Rourke's character page, it lists this.
Now I'm ignoring the last part since that's speculation but uh... being traumatised by his father dying? In the film he never mentions any family at all but we don't go by "oh X never mentions them after ergo they don't care". Could anyone verify about this? Be a backwards ass cut if this happens.
Edited by WetFlannels on Jul 15th 2023 at 10:27:37 AM
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!