Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Can we discuss removing entry bloat from CM & MB entries? I'm referring to the following:
- For comic issues and manga chapters, listing the titles of the stories within the issues (Issue #X—"Title") when the issue numbers suffice for conveying information about appearances. The exception is if there are multiple stories within the same issue, then we can specify which story the entry belongs to.
- Listing the story arcs an entry belongs to. It's okay if it's just one arc but I don't think that listing two or more arcs is readable. Sometimes the entry mentions the issues the arc belongs to, which is also a little distracting. Do we want to just include the names of the arcs for those cases?
- For TV shows & web series, listing at least three consecutive episodes as "X" through "Y". I would rather have entries with this wording to instead note the season(s) the episodes belong to, if not to just remove the wording.
I want approval for this because I know that a lot of entries for other tropes don't have this kind of bloat and it's strange we have it here, and I also know that when most tropers write up entries for CM & MB, they don't include the bloat.
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.That's not really accurate - there are a lot of comics where a single issue has multiple stories in it at once, so the title specifies which story is within the single issue. This is largely a remnant of when old comics would have a lot of different heroes in it at once but it's stuck around to the present day. I would keep issue titles 100%.
I've personally never seen a character with more than one arc listed in an entry - usually if they're featured in more than one, I've just seen "multiple arcs". Do you have an example?
If it's only three episodes consecutively I don't have a problem with it personally and I haven't seen it used for any more than that personally - usually if it's more than that, it's either "first appearance to last" or "season X". I won't disagree if people want it gone but I've never seen it used for more than three consecutive episodes.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jul 2nd 2023 at 11:15:09 AM
Well that'd explain why I hadn't seen it because I know nothing about those shows
In all seriousness, that's what I meant when I said sometimes I've seen it be "First appearance to last" - I thought the problem was referring to linking all the recap pages along the way (I know we had that issue before with Caleb's entry in the past, where it linked all five episodes he was in while saying "Season 7's final five episodes"). For someone who isn't really season wide - both those examples are only four episodes - I don't particularly mind it; just as a hypothetical, if we were listing them on the page for Arc Villain, I'd probably mark that entry up in the same way - "Marcus is the main antagonist from episode X to episode Y" - so I don't have a strong stance personally but I don't see a need to get rid of it.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jul 2nd 2023 at 11:27:04 AM
Don't have much else to say, but I have seen entries with more than one arc listed. For examples, Muse from Daredevil ("Dark Art" & "Mayor Fisk" arcs) & Pizer from Uncanny X-Force ("Otherworld" & "Final Execution" arcs). These two I mention in particular because I was the one who inserted them lol
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.- Star Nemesis Morgana, from the Star Guardian universe
—primarily Another Sky
—lacks any of the goodness of her prime version. Star Nemesis Morgana made a deal with the Dark Star singularity to gain power in exchange for destabilizing the Star Guardian universe. With those powers, Morgana waged war against the Star Guardians for centuries, killing them and wearing their souls on a belt. Morgana unleashes giant eldritch monsters on Valoran City with the purpose of causing chaos and despair, killing thousands of people. Morgana also enjoys personally toying with her victims, finding the Star Guardians' high school teacher and murdering him to replace him and torment the Star Guardians in a public setting. Morgana unleashes Fiddlesticks on Akali
while simultaneously pretending to care about her, encouraging her to succumb and turn evil. Star Nemesis Morgana is ultimately gleeful and unrepentant of her crimes, stating that she enjoys killing and Akali will one day as well.
- String Divers: Calor Mortem is an egotistical entity who resides at the heart of creation and disdains all other beings as inferior to himself. Cutting the strings that hold the physical world together, Calor has destroyed multiple universes and the countless lives that reside in them, before turning his attention to the String Divers' universe. Calor's actions open dimensional rifts on Earth that kill the thousands who come into contact with them and even destroy the moon, raining debris that obliterates entire cities. Taking a corporeal form, Calor boasts that the only greater joy from destroying universes is killing the String Divers with his own hands.
- Tyrant King Brol was once merely the leader of a vast clan of savage cannibals that terrorized the Dry Steppes before they were pacified and imprisoned by the armies of Guulrahn. When Elias arrives to create a summoning trap for a Lesser Evil, he unleashes Brol from prison who in turn leads his cannibals to massacre, torture, and devour most of the populace of Guulrahn. Left to his own devices by Elias, Brol sends his cannibals to rampage across the Steppes and slaughter caravans and entire settlements both for fun and to provide human sacrifices for Lilith's demon summoning cult.
- Little Nightmares and related games Series Fic Sixs Shield:
- The Eye is the one responsible for all of the suffering in in the series. An entity that distorted the world and the people within into monsters that butcher others, the Eye lords over the Pale City, having its population turned into viewers that mindlessly watch television, even killing themselves to get to them. Founding a cult where people are sacrificed to it, the Eye uses their souls to fuel its grip on the world, then condemns them to eternal nightmares for its amusement. When Six's mother begs it to spare her daughter and the other children, the Eye spitefully claims her soul. After escaping the cult, Six is captured by the Thin Man in the Pale City and brought to the Signal Tower, where the Eye corrupts her into a monster and turns her against Mono.
- The Lady is the one in charge of the Maw. The Lady is not only in league with the Eye, having the soulless corpses of the latter's victims taken to the Maw to be butchered and eaten, but she also runs an operation of her own. Having the Ferryman kidnap children across the world, the Lady has them imprisoned, butchered, and fed to the horrid Guests of the Maw. An abusive mother to her daughter, the Lady condemns Six to be imprisoned and killed for "tricking" her into believing she was her daughter.
- The Craftsman is given a more malignant personality than his enigmatic canon counterpart. The sadistic servant of the Pretender, the Craftsman has the Pilot capture children and bring them to the Nest. There, the Craftsman skins them while they're alive and conscious, using their skin to make dolls the Pretender can play with. Taking sadistic pleasure in his work while loathing the girl he makes dolls for, the Craftsman has claimed countless lives during Six's two-year stay in the Nest.
- The Hunter is a deranged killer who lives in the woods miles away from the Pale City. With dozens of victims found rotting in traps or stuffed in his decrepit house as trophies, the Hunter captures Six and forces her to eat rotting meat for weeks, holding the threat of death over her head all the while. When Mono rescues Six, an enraged Hunter grabs his shotgun and chases them through the woods, attempting to kill them both.
- Halloween in Brisbane (link
) {Bluey & Halloween): Michael Myers was a patient of Dr. Samuel Loomis, who gave up on him when it was clear he wouldn't change his violent tendencies. Michael later escapes the mental hospital after killing 3 guards and makes his way to Brisbane, where he goes on a killing spree, killing 6 people and nearly killing a few more, like Bluey's cousin Muffin.
- AKA (2023): Kruger is a mysterious figure working for the French government who recruited a teenage Adam Franco as his assassin. For the next 20 years, Kruger sends Adam to assassinate whoever Kruger wants, with one target being an innocent journalist. Kruger also suggests that Moktar Al Tayeb and his family be brought to Paris to have them all killed, and when Al Tayeb escapes with his critically injured daughter, Kruger assigns Adam to kill Al Tayeb. Kruger has Adam infiltrate a gang with ties to Al Tayeb by holding a teenager hostage to force his gangster father to let Adam take his place before imprisoning and eventually killing the father and son. Kruger also sends two commando teams to kill Adam, Al Tayeb, and all of their associates before attempting to kill Adam and Victor Pastore's stepchildren himself.
- The Matrix franchise:
- First film: Cypher, the treacherous member of Morpheus's crew, ends up selling out his comrades and Morpheus so he may reenter the Matrix as "someone important" without his memories. Setting up his team to die and Morpheus to be abducted by the Agents, Cypher is fully aware of the machines intending to wipe out the final bastion of humanity, Zion, while beginning to murder the remaining team members with nothing short of sadistic relish.
- Resurrections: The Analyst is a manipulative and power-hungry program that usurps control of the Matrix. After he takes over, the Analyst conducts a purge of programs, killing the Architect, the Oracle, Kamala, and Rama Kandra, an event that orphans Sati. Reviving Neo and Trinity to power his new Matrix, the Analyst traps them in new identities and takes pleasure in his efforts to keep them separated. Assuming the guise of a therapist, the Analyst traps Neo within the Matrix, prescribing him blue pills to suppress his reality-questioning doubts. Upon Neo's awakening, the Analyst torments Neo by revealing his scheme before ultimately unleashing a horde of suicidal bots to kill an awakened Trinity. Defiant and lacking remorse for his actions, the Analyst arrogantly declares that he won't be deleted and demonstrates a firm belief in the superiority of control over freedom.
- Mermaid Down: Dr. Beyer is the head of a mental health clinic for women, and a predatory Serial Killer using his position to prey on his patients. Happening upon a fishing boat that captures and maims a mermaid, Beyer kills her captor to steal her for himself, keeping her in a tortured state for his morbidly curious study. Beyer uses his basement as a torture dungeon for his victims, who he'd feed to his ravenous guard dog. When the mermaid soon regrows her tail, Beyer soon realizes the jig is up and begins coldly gunning down his fleeing and hiding staff and patients. Taking the restored mermaid aboard his boat, Beyer plans to dissect her "fish parts" to see how they work, desperately trying to take her rescuers down with him when beaten.
- Mr. Hell (2006): Harold "Harry" Eugene Loveless, the titular Mr. Hell, is a Serial Killer in service to Satan, promising him souls in the form of eyeballs in return for immortality. Traveling from city to city and racking up a high body count, Harry regularly carves out the eyes of his victims, keeping them inside a container as he relishes their screams. With his latest stop being a bio lab in Houston, Harry kills his boss for letting his daughter Tyler off the hook after she tries to steal his eyeball container, then tries to kill Tyler himself. Returning many years later after being presumed dead from an acid bath, Harry initiates a mass killing spree among the lab foremen and invading terrorists, hoping to finally murder the now adult Tyler and continue his murders.
- Shanghai duology:
- Shanghai Noon: Lo Fong is an ill-tempered Chinese insurgent seeking to avenge himself when cast out as a traitor and conducts slavery as a means of business, subjecting the slaves to horrible abuses as well. To this end, Lo Fong has Princess Pei-Pei abducted in order to force Imperial Guard Chon Wang into a fight for her life, while Lo Fong impedes his efforts to make it to said fight and cuts off his ponytail to dishonor him and prevent him from returning home as well. Lo Fong's own men also prove to not in any way be safe from his rage and ruthlessness either, as on more than one occasion, he brutally executes them for any kind of failure.
- Shanghai Knights:
- Lord Nelson Rathbone is a British Royal seeking the crown of England for himself. To this end, Rathbone has stolen the Seal of China and murdered Chon and his sister Lin's father who was the Keeper, and has both Chon and Roy O'Bannon subjected to torture as well as later antagonizing Chon in a sword fight. Rathbone allies with Wu Chow—who wants the Seal to get control in China—and intends to arrange a mass shooting with him that will wipe out all nine of the Royals in the line of succession and thus make him the King as a result.
- Wu Chow himself is the illegitimate brother of the Emperor of China. Wanting to take power in China and by doing so eventually take full control, Wu Chow hires Rathbone to break in to steal the Seal of China while killing the Keeper. Once Wu Chow then gets the Seal from Rathbone, he intends to kill the Royal Family with a Gatling gun and deliver Rathbone the crown as payment—and fights and tries to kill Lin for her interference in the process.
- Lord Fedor dan Isher is a corrupt, self-serving member of the Open Council, who schemes outright treachery against the kingdom. A brutal land baron who forces many families into the streets under threat of death down to the children, Isher grows annoyed at his own funds being depleted for the sake of the kingdom, so he decides to stage a civil war to secure himself power. Isher tricks his own ally Wetterlant into getting himself hanged so that Isher can frame it as an "injustice" committed by the crown, manipulating the idiotically ambitious Leo dan Brock into treachery. After organizing a massive army that Leo leads into bloody war at Stoffenbeck, Isher quickly abandons thousands of his allies to die to save his own skin, then weasels his way back into an alliance with King Orso to fight the Burners. Once their mutual foe is defeated, however, Isher immediately works with Leo to turn on Orso, kill him and many of his loyalists, and take over the Union for themselves. Isher then promptly betrays Leo to throw in with Savine instead, always valuing what serves himself best above all else.
- The Hero is Overpowered but Overly Cautious: Xenosload, the Demon Lord of Gaeabrande, is a cruel ruler who has slaughtered entire cities and towns using his monstrous army in his search to Take Over the World. Making a deal with the elderly Emperor Roseguard, the Demon Lord restores his youth in exchange for Roseguard using Chain Destruction in the heroes Seiya and Ristarte to destroy their souls and prevent the gods from interfering in Gaeabrande. When Seiya survives the assassination attempt and challenges the Demon Lord, Seiya uses Valhalla Gate to defeat him. Furious at his defeat, Xenosload breaks Valhalla Gate and charges Judgement Zero, a attack with the power to kill all life in Gaeabrande, forcing Seiya to sacrifice his life to use another Valhalla Gate to save the world.
- My Best Friend's Exorcism: Andras is a cruel and ancient demon of discord. Throughout history, Andras would regularly possess people and slowly ruin their lives and manipulate the lives of those around them, having a hand in several historical atrocities such as the Red Scare. Subjecting Gretchen Lang to a violating possession, Andras began to manipulate her friends such as tricking Margaret into drinking tapeworm eggs, which nearly kills her, or making Glee believe the school chaplain was in love with her and causing her to try to commit suicide when she learned he didn't. When captured by Abby, Andras reveals future plans of his, such as talking one student into committing a school shooting.
- Pan's Labyrinth: The Labyrinth of the Faun, by Guillermo del Toro & Cornelia Funke:
- Captain Vidal first shows his nastiness when two poachers, a father and son, are brought to him in the dead of night, his men suspecting them of being rebels against the regime. He beats the younger man's face in with a bottle simply for defending his father against Vidal's accusations before shooting them both with a vague air of boredom and pleasure. When the men are proven not to be rebels, Vidal shows no remorse, only belittling his men to be more careful next time. At one point, Vidal captures a rebel with a horrible stutter and cheerfully shows the man his torture instruments before offering to let him go if he can clearly count to three. He fails. Vidal is married to the young heroine's mother solely so she'll bear him an heir, and shows no concern over the possible death of his wife in childbirth. When the doctor attending her gives the stuttering torture victim a Mercy Kill, Vidal coldly guns him down. At the film's end, Vidal's stepdaughter Ofelia tries to rescue her baby brother, but Vidal catches her and promptly shoots her fatally.
- The Pale Man is a monstrous Child Eater that has haunted the lands for centuries. Born a seemingly normal child who everyone recognized the inherent cruelty of, he murdered his own brother out of petty jealousy and became a torture practitioner under a Spanish Inquisitor, honing his abilities until he betrayed his master and ate his heart. Becoming a murderer and cannibal of children, he developed into the monstrous "Pale Man", his outside appearance as heinous as his personality. The Pale Man spent hundreds of years luring children to him to feast upon them, loving the sound of their screams and fashioning their remains into furniture, while he kept each and every one of their names written on his walls as trophies of his countless kills.
- Thirsty: Chet, seemingly a benevolent member of the Forces of Light, is a ruthless mercenary hired by the vampire god Tch'munga to secure the trapped monster's suicide. To that end, Chet manipulates the reluctant teenage vampire Christopher with false promises of a cure to his condition, savagely killing a true member of the Forces of Light temporarily and blinding Christopher to their influence. Securing numerous deaths in the chaos when Tch'munga's destruction is assured, Chet sadistically mocks Christopher over his lack of future before brutally beating him and then vanishing from his life forever.
- Father Brown: Father Brown himself, in his long career as a Amateur Sleuth, has encountered many killers and criminals. While the vast majority have been sympathetic individuals he managed to save, there have been some horrible exceptions:
- "The Lair of the Libertines": Ana Demiachia is a self-described "hedonistic existentialist" obsessed with killing. Loving murder even as a child, Ana was previously a big game hunter before deciding to go after humans as her prey. Taking on the identity of Madame Chania, she lured her victims to a hotel, also being a physically abusive lover to her loyal maid Mimi. Throughout the stay of Father Brown, his friends, and some wealthy playboys, Ana kills a prostitute; leaves another one hospitalized after shooting her; tries to blow up Mrs. McCarthy and Lady Felicia; modifies one of her guests' guns to backfire and shoot him; shoots another with a crossbow; and kills the last guest before stringing him up as a twisted trophy, framing Mimi and leaving her lover to hang for her crimes. When Father Brown confronts her, Ana reveals her sadistic joy in the death she caused under her power after drugging him, before deciding to hunt him down while taunting him, ultimately falling victim to her own trap. A sociopathic, abusive hedonist who sees humans as mere animals, Ana left a body count almost never surpassed in the show, with Father Brown giving up on redeeming her.
- "The Mask of the Demon": Vivian Wolsey, the head of Cardinal Pictures, while seeming just a smug and easily annoyed man is truthfully an abusive, petty predator, Control Freak, and voyeur. Constantly abusing and berating his staff throughout production, Wolsey blackmails Rex Bishop into being his leading man by threatening to expose his homosexuality and get him arrested, with Wolsey going out of way to make the experience all the more unpleasant for Bishop, simply because Bishop previously dismissed his films. The "King of the Casting Couch", Wolsey forces any woman who wants to be the lead in his films to sleep with him, while forcing himself on any who do not agree. Filming his rapes, Wolsey keeps them both for personal pleasure and blackmail material. Years earlier, when 17-year-old Bebe Fountain successfully resisted him, Wolsey, now obsessed with possessing her, subjected Bebe to a campaign of harassment and threats until she was worn down into marrying him. Wosley regularly abused Bebe throughout their marriage, while continuing to prey upon other women until his demise.
- "The Eagle and the Daw" & "The Jackdaw's Revenge": Katherine Corven is a cold and calculating sociopath with an enjoyment for manipulating others. Arrested for poisoning her husband, Katherine manipulates her lover Raymond Worrall into suicide to frame Father Brown and have him executed. In her second appearance, Katherine threatens Vivian Hope to take the fall for her crimes by threatening her grandchildren. Katherine then plays sadistic mind games against Father Brown, killing a woman who had been a part of her imprisonment and attempting to incriminate Father Brown as the one responsible for her false imprisonment. Kidnapping Brown's close friend Bunty, Katherine orchestrates a setup where he would have to shoot her to save Bunty's life although secretly plotting to disguise Bunty as herself to make Father Brown shoot the wrong person and to have the priest arrested for the murder of his friend. Refusing to repent even when dying, Katherine's smug sadism reflects the darkness of her heart.
- "The Devil You Know": Christina Worcester, real name Gerda Frick, was a guard in the Auschwitz concentration camp, responsible for the deaths of thousands, including women, children, the sick, and the infirm. When the Soviets arrived to liberate the camp, she took on the guise of a prisoner through a tattoo, also getting on with Eric, a forcefully conscripted Nazi, as her husband and taking on fake names in England. When Alec Frobisher tracked Gerda down and prepared to arrest her, she garroted him, and framed her husband for her crimes before murdering him and trying to escape. When Father Brown realizes the truth, Gerda holds him and Inspector Mallory at gunpoint and has them dig their graves. Father Brown's attempts to reason with her prove fruitless, as she fanatically believes that the Nazi cause was a just one, ranting about how the victor is the judge and the loser the accused. When they try to escape, Gerda catches up with them and attempts to execute them as she pulls a Redemption Rejection before dying. One of the few villains to earn Father Brown's complete contempt, Gerda was a fanatical, murderous Nazi who'd do anything and kill anyone to keep herself safe and escape justice.
- "The Enigma of Antigonish": Finbar Finch is a petty, vindictive, egotistic sociopath who, four years previously, rewarded Elsie Peter's generosity in hiring him despite his lengthy criminal record by beating her senseless while robbing her, leaving Elsie disabled, traumatized, and suffering from daily seizures. Imprisoned for the assault, Finch vowed to kill everyone who testified against him. Faking repentance upon release, Finch faked his own death by fatally shooting the face off an innocent man with a shotgun, leaving false evidence at the scene to incriminate Elsie's sister Lola, ensuring she would hang. Exploiting Elsie's husband's allergies, Finch almost caused him to suffocate. Finally going after Elsie, when interrupted by Father Brown, Mrs. McCarthy, and Sid, Finch locked all four of them in a sauna to slowly cook them to death. Completely aware of his evil nature and flat-out admitting to hurting people simply for his enjoyment, even as he was dragged away by the police, Finch still vowed he would murder them all.
- "It's Showtime!
" & "The Ultimate Show
": Dimentio proves to be every bit the vile monster he is in canon. Originally beginning as one of Count Bleck's minions, Dimentio reveals that he has known what the Count actually intends to do with the Chaos Heart the entire time, and attempts to use this information to goad the Mario Bros. into siding with him against Bleck. When this fails, Dimentio promptly attacks Luigi while happily taunting the young brother about how he desires all of reality to fall into a hellish perdition. After being defeated and seemingly blowing himself and Luigi up, Dimentio reveals that he is still alive and takes control of Luigi's mind to use him as a host for the Chaos Heart and become Super Dimentio. He immediately gleefully brags about how he is about to destroy all worlds and create perfect new ones dominated by misery and sorrow where he rules supreme, as he uses the Chaos Heart to begin wiping out all of the worlds Mario, Peach, and Bowser have visited while attempting to erase the three heroes from existence.
- "UNBROKEN
": William Afton is a selfish, child-hating man who desires to be immortal. For this, Afton lures children into the back of Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria so he can murder them and stuff their bodies into animatronics, using their lives to extend his own and live forever while the children's souls are damned to eternal suffering.
- "Super Smash Bros. - Galeem/Dharkon
": Galeem and Dharkon are omnicidal deities who attempt to destroy the universe with either light or darkness. Galeem transformed the world into light after killing almost all the fighters before making them into puppets, while Dharkon attempts to transform the world into darkness for his own amusement.
- Gaul is the leader of the Vaadwaur Supremacy, and a slimy, treacherous warmonger. Beginning to awaken millions of other Vaadwaur survivors, Gaul soon makes a Faustian bargain with the Iconians and infects his own supporters with the Bluegill Parasites that enslave them to the Iconians' will in exchange for elements of their technology, despite the fact that Gaul himself never had a Bluegill of his own. Gaul would then lead his army of zealots and brainwashed zombies on a bloody crusade of genocide against the rest of the Galaxy, with races across the Delta Quadrant having their entire civilizations pushed to the brink of extinction. When the player exposes what Gaul has done to other Vaadwaur to his people, Gaul immediately orders the forces still loyal to him to slaughter the dissidents.
- T'Ket is one of the three leaders of the Iconians, alongside M'Tara and L'Miren, and she proves herself to be by far the worst of them all. Originally starting as a normal Iconian, T'Ket would be filled with vitriolic hatred for the Romulans when a time traveling Sela shoots her sister L'Miren during the evacuation of Iconia, due to Sela wanting to prevent the Hobus Supernova. 100,000 years later, T'Ket serves as one of the masterminds of the Iconian invasion of the Milky Way, providing the equally vile Hakeev and Gaul the technology they needed to commit their atrocities, including Hobus, with the goal of total galactic genocide. When the player boards M'Tara's flagship, T'Ket subtly helps the player to get M'Tara killed in the hopes of getting the other Iconians on her side and exterminating the galaxy. When the player reveals the truth of "The Other" to the Iconians and L'Miren ends the war, T'Ket furiously declares that she will never stop killing the Milky Way races and abandons her surviving sister, showing no shame in continuing actions she knows got other Iconians killed, all because of her undying hatred for mortal races.
- UK Annual 1991—"The Magnificent Six!": Megadeath is a Decepticon general whose deranged tactics horrified even his fellow Decepticons. After the Decepticon High Command rejected his proposal to use nuclear weapons to sterilize Autobot-held territory, Megadeath went behind their backs to implement his plans anyway. When a group of Autobots liberated the city of Yuss, Megadeath ordered his troops to bombard the city until the citizens surrendered the team to him. Megadeath proceeded to torture the Autobots over the course of a week, leaving them Empty Shells who were unable to stop Megadeath from killing their partner Stampede. Megadeath later ordered Yuss to be nuked and gave the team a choice whether to safe the civilians still trapped inside or flee to safety. Although left for dead, Megadeath survived the nuclear blast and enslaved the mutated population. Four million years later, Megadeath attempted to torture the Autobots when they returned to Cybertron, and chose to destroy his entire base rather than face justice for his crimes.
- Rise of the Beasts:
- Scourge is the sadistic servant of Unicron who sold out his planet to the dark god to be devoured in exchange for power. Leading Unicron's Terrorcons, Scourge leads a brutal campaign across countless worlds, wearing trophies from his murders and leaving the planets to be consumed by Unicron. Seeking to acquire the Transwarp Key to allow his gluttonous master to freely travel through creation, Scourge assaults the Maximals' home world, killing their leader in the process. Arriving on Earth, Scourge corrupts the Maximal Airrazor with sadistic glee, forcing her own comrades to kill her. Reassembling the Transwarp Key, Scrouge attempts to use it to summon Unicron to Earth to consume it. With a body count of billions, Scourge compliments his master's omnicidal gluttony with unbridled sadism and malice.
- Unicron himself, the great destroyer, is a sadistic entity the size of a planet who subsists on entire worlds. Opening the film consuming the world of the Maximals as he has countless other planets, Unicron often dispatches the mighty Terrorcons to kill at will and prepare worlds for his coming. Seeking to devour Earth, Unicron also tortures his chief minion Scourge as a reminder to never fail him again.
- Mganga, the Unspeakable, is a Monster Clown who delights in torturing other living beings for the sake of learning more power to claim for himself, while laughing at the miseries of his victims. Mganga violated restrictions of magic research solely to learn about the forbidden Voodoo/Poison and Blood magic and was expelled from the Magister Council as a result. Hired by the demonic forces of Lokheim, Mganga continues his forbidden research and gleefully tortures any living beings assigned to him, some to the point of insanity. When he's not researching, Mganga executes tasks that result in the deaths of many either to further empower his research or just because he feels like it. Mganga stands out amongst the demonic forces of Lokheim as he's the only one who joined without any tragic circumstances or opposition with the forces of Light, but purely for the hunger of power for himself and the pleasure of inflicting pain on others.
- The Karaoke: The basketball club coach raped and traumatized 10 girls in the past, and tries to do the same to heroine Mira and her friend Moeka depending on the ending. With his victims having also committed suicide thanks to the trauma, the coach also recorded and took pictures of his female students changing their clothes in the changing room.
- XCOM 2: The Angelis Ethereal is the true head of ADVENT, and the leader of the Ethereals. Originally heading the invasion of numerous planets and the enslavement of their natives, The Angelis Ethereal would lead a successful takeover of Earth, and oversee the creation of ADVENT. Upon the Commander of XCOM being freed from the Elders' grasp, the Angelis Ethereal sends her strongest minions, the Chosen, to use whatever brutal tactics they deem necessary to find the Commander, including mass exterminations of humans living outside ADVENT's control. XCOM would soon discover what the Angelis Ethereal truly wanted: the harvesting and resulting genocide of Humanity to provide the Ethereals new bodies known as Avatars as part of the Avatar Project. Upon XCOM killing one, the Angelis Ethereal orders all of humanity to be immediately and rapidly processed, and subsequently exterminated when XCOM gets Humanity to rise up against ADVENT. A loathsome hypocrite, the Angelis Ethereal even fails to truly care for other Elders as she doesn't even acknowledge the death of one of her kin in words, and is ultimately just out to dominate and exterminate things out of her control.
- Pale Lights: Augusto Cerdan, initially just another spoiled infanzon, turns himself into something much darker. Already widely hated for running House Cerdan's properties in Feria District, where he forces those unable to pay the exorbitant rent prices into bed with him, Augusto quickly becomes one of the most despised participants of the Watch's trials when he sacrifices his own servant to escape ravenous spirits, and tries to murder Angharad—along with his retainer, his brother, the woman he seeks to marry, and four others by proxy—when she swears to slay him for the treacherous act. Upon being left for dead for his backstabbing cowardice, Augusto makes a contract with the malevolent Red Maw and gains the power to heal his wounds by regularly draining the flesh of others, setting out to kill the rest of the trial-takers and destroy Cantica village in an alliance with the Red Maw's cultists. An honorless cur to the end, Augusto intends to keep his monstrous contract a secret by leading the cultists to slaughter every last member of the Watch in Three Pines, before sailing back to Sacromonte so he can continue feasting on flesh and take revenge on Ferranda Villazur's family for her vexing him.
- Rezzoch the Ancient, Destructor of Worlds herself, is an ancient being who devours worlds and is the one responsible for the apocalypse. She razed the monsters' original world and plans to do the same to Earth with the help of her servant Thrull. Abandoning Thrull after his failure, Rezzoch possesses and mutates King Wrench in order to use him as a doorway to Earth. Rezzoch plans to make Jake Sullivan her vessel, subjecting him to Mind Rape, and tries to kill all his friends out of spite.
Edited by ACW on Jul 2nd 2023 at 2:49:01 PM
So can we discuss quote proposal on the proposal thread, we can discuss what quotes we can get rid of in the CM quote pages here?
Edited by G-Editor on Jul 2nd 2023 at 3:25:38 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffYeah I was planning to do that as well, here's one that needs removing IMO.
The Lich: Yes. While the mortal world doubts and questions, I know exactly what I am. I am the ceaseless wheel. The last scholar of GOLB. I am your doom.
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We can cut that quote
I’m sure that there are plenty of other quotes from the CM quote pages that we can get rid of as well
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To your recommendations regarding the Anime&Manga quotes
Edited by G-Editor on Jul 2nd 2023 at 7:32:53 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffOne thing I’ve been wondering about the DCU page, since Darkseid and the other New Gods apparently weren’t affected by the ‘Crisis on Infinite Earths’ reboot, shouldn’t his entry also include his Pre-Crisis atrocities? I’m asking because he’s listed in the ‘Post-Crisis’ folder, but not the ‘Pre-Crisis’ one.

Fair enough. His tonal change is interesting, but OTOH I've not seen the show.