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Old Complete Monster cleanup thread

Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

Mr-ex777 Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
MemeMaster245 The Metal Reaper from Cornfield Since: Apr, 2022 Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
The Metal Reaper
#6903: Jun 10th 2023 at 10:53:31 AM

Cut Madison.

Also, I want to request an edit to Mysterio from Shattered Dimensions's write-up. Here's what it is currently:

Mysterio — Quentin Beck — is portrayed as far more wicked and dangerous than in the comic.

I feel like Not-So-Harmless Villain should be switched out for Adaptational Villainy.

Prepare for a bitter harvest...
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#6904: Jun 10th 2023 at 11:34:59 AM

You know, before we finalize this change for Skull...how do we handle retcons and stuff like that? Like, we removed Superboy-Prime because his disqualifying factors were from Geoff Johns, who primarily wrote him; we DIDN'T yet remove Apocalypse because his backstory was just that one time so far and not by his creator.

Braz Luz Stan from Boiling Isles (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Luz Stan
#6905: Jun 10th 2023 at 1:26:33 PM

Cut Madinson.

Us tropers stick together.
Arawn999 Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#6906: Jun 10th 2023 at 8:58:40 PM

While it's still too early to voice reservations for what I really want to do so for, I would like to reserve Extreme Venomverse, Web Of Carnage, and Curse Of Carnage Misery.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#6907: Jun 11th 2023 at 5:30:21 AM

More folderization questions. Which looks better for these two pages:

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#6908: Jun 11th 2023 at 5:40:57 AM

Prefer the later. In csi's case. Cold case is rather disconnected from it outside it's one crossover episode (And that only involved scotty coming to Miami once) so it feels weird to not keep them as seperate folders them.

Though could we move csi cyber to the others folder. Since their is only one entry. (Before you ask I know cold case only has 2....but me and scraggle will be Changing that soon)

Edited by miraculous on Jun 11th 2023 at 5:43:21 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#6909: Jun 11th 2023 at 5:50:45 AM

I'm honestly not sure how to handle Cyber with there being only one example. I guess we could do "Cyber & Other Media"?

Edited by ACW on Jun 11th 2023 at 8:51:47 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#6910: Jun 11th 2023 at 7:16:41 AM

No, I'm gonna defend Madison here. Rape is not so over-the-top common in XIV that Captain Madison and his rape dungeon don't stand out and I think the assertion that it is is a little absurd. I grant there are a lot of murderers, torturers and even other rapists in the game—I brought this up in the original EP—but I also think you're seriously overrating Madison's resources, comparing one dinky dungeon boss compared to major villains like Asahi.

Furthermore I'm also noticing you're not touching on the fact the game establishes Captain Madison as having a general pattern of Rape, Pillage, and Burn, raiding and razing hamlets and villages. While the razing of hamlets itself is offscreen, every slave in Madison's dungeon is a survivor from one of these villages he's kidnapped, so it's not fully Offstage Villainy.

The rape dungeon is horrifying. Like, unequivocally. The women there are all beaten, traumatized, shared among not just him but his entire crew, and their plight played as heavily as possible for the constraints of the rating. The game would have to be Berserk-level with the rape for this to be "left in the dust" and I assure everyone it's not. Not remotely.

"Keep" Madison. I will fight that.

Edited by Scraggle on Jun 11th 2023 at 8:46:17 AM

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#6913: Jun 11th 2023 at 7:28:35 AM

Wow Keep Madison. That sounds insane.

Like wow that sounds fucked up.

Edited by miraculous on Jun 11th 2023 at 7:30:26 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#6914: Jun 11th 2023 at 7:35:06 AM

Keep Maddy.

IPP Wick Check created.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#6916: Jun 11th 2023 at 7:38:37 AM

Do we need to change his writeup to emphasize that then, or is it good as is?

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#6917: Jun 11th 2023 at 7:39:45 AM

I see no need whatsoever to change his writeup.

TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#6919: Jun 11th 2023 at 7:55:39 AM

[up][up]Alright, cool. We'll keep him.

Though tell me please, is this the correct tree:

Or is it

Edited by ACW on Jun 11th 2023 at 10:56:05 AM

eruptor142 Since: Mar, 2021
#6920: Jun 11th 2023 at 8:00:43 AM

Hey. I wanted to make sure of something. On the YMMV page for Etra chan saw it!, there's another entry for Azami for the episode "I blacked out from the stress of child raising, and when I came to....". I don't ever recall there being a proposal for her, so can someone confirm if there was one and if I should remove it?

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#6922: Jun 11th 2023 at 8:02:05 AM

Keep Madison.

eruptor142 Since: Mar, 2021
#6923: Jun 11th 2023 at 8:05:48 AM

[up][up] So it's an unapproved post, then. Should I remove it in that case?

Actually, could someone check if that episode ever got an EP? I'd like to be certain.

Edited by eruptor142 on Jun 11th 2023 at 11:06:50 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Braz Luz Stan from Boiling Isles (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Luz Stan
#6925: Jun 11th 2023 at 8:06:58 AM

Keep Madinson.

Us tropers stick together.

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