Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
It's a very classic fairy tale I heard since I was very young and I would say keep. It's not just because it is the trope codifier either, but you also have a literal cannibal in a fairy tale. This is not something you'll see very frequently back in the days.
By the way I heard in some versions the witches' house is made of plain bread rather than candy just to emphasize how horrible the famine in those days are.
Edited by Mr-ex777 on May 19th 2023 at 7:01:37 PM
@Lightysnake Was that stated in the story?
@Emperor Geode Ok, thanks for the explanation.
Edited by ComputeryGuy1614 on May 19th 2023 at 10:25:07 PM
@ EmperorGeode: How high is Inuyasha's heinous standard even? I know Journey to the West's heinous standard is so absolutely nasty that apparently nobody can count.
I don't think it's even possible to compare those 2 with the Witch though, considering one is a Doorstopper Epic, the other is a Shounen Manga and the Witch comes from a literal fairytale that I assume is for kids.
Edited by Mr-ex777 on May 19th 2023 at 9:11:59 PM
Pretty much every villain has hundreds of kills, so much that only Naraku and his two most vicious detachments make it in canon.
- Naraku for being responsible for pretty much everything bad that happens to anyone
- Higudoshi for reandomly deciding to unleash rats to devour whole Japan.
- Infant for rivaling his father in evil despite how weak and little time he has, plus And I Must Scream on dozens of demons.
And Naraku's offshoots have agency, considering one of them falls in love with Sesshōmaru and tries to pull a Heel–Face Turn and the Infant plots to backstab and assimilate Naraku himself.
Just found this monster of an unapproved entry on Maria no Danzai that they also tried to add to the main page through the Locked page request thread.
- Complete Monster: Kiritaka's bullies can easily qualify individually since they torture him on a daily basis purely for their sick entertainment, but Okaya alone puts them all to shame: he is thoroughly depicted throughout the first chapter as an irredeemable psychopath hiding under a facade of gentle charisma. He's such an intimidating monster that even his own friends are terrified of displeasing him. Among the things Okaya does to Kiritaka are included such things as stomping the lunch his mother made for him, force-feeding it to him after cockroaches start eating it (fully expecting Kiritaka's stomach to get infested with cockroach eggs, by the way), sending him a porn video with his mother's face edited on it, telling Kiritaka how "fuckable" his mom looks and then tells him point-blank to post the video online. Kiritaka refuses, so Okaya gives him an offer he couldn’t refuse; jump off a cliff and the video will be deleted, or else Okaya will post the video online, and only giving Kiritaka 3 SECONDS to think it over. Kiritaka immediately jumps off the cliff, but gets killed when a truck suddenly drives him over. But Okaya feels disappointed — not happy, sad, alarmed or even upset; disappointed — that he actually died, since that means Kiritaka is effectively free of further torment forever. The reason he went out of his way to make Kiritaka's life a living hell? He didn't like the look Kiritaka had in his eyes while rescuing Okaya's previous victim. From being strangled with a rope. And Kiritaka just so happened to have that same look in his eyes moments ago when he gave a Big "SHUT UP!" towards Okaya and his underlings when they slut-shamed his mother. Whatever fate Mari has in store for him, it's likely that it won't be harsh enough.
Edited by Agentofchaos on May 19th 2023 at 11:32:30 AM
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@Totem Genitor Ok, that's fine. I respect your opinion, but I'm still skeptical on whether the Witch is heinous enough or not.
@Austin DR Is that really a Get Out of Jail free card? I mean, how does being an archetype of wicked witches make her heinous enough?