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Old Complete Monster cleanup thread

Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

ComputeryGuy1614 Since: Oct, 2022
#6326: May 19th 2023 at 3:21:30 AM

@Totem Genitor Ok, that's fine. I respect your opinion, but I'm still skeptical on whether the Witch is heinous enough or not.

@Austin DR Is that really a Get Out of Jail free card? I mean, how does being an archetype of wicked witches make her heinous enough?

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#6327: May 19th 2023 at 3:55:01 AM

Here's the original post.

Mr-ex777 Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6328: May 19th 2023 at 4:01:23 AM

It's a very classic fairy tale I heard since I was very young and I would say keep. It's not just because it is the trope codifier either, but you also have a literal cannibal in a fairy tale. This is not something you'll see very frequently back in the days.

By the way I heard in some versions the witches' house is made of plain bread rather than candy just to emphasize how horrible the famine in those days are.

Edited by Mr-ex777 on May 19th 2023 at 7:01:37 PM

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#6329: May 19th 2023 at 4:03:45 AM

Keep Witch

And just gonna put this likn since I again chose to post in bad time [lol].

ComputeryGuy1614 Since: Oct, 2022
#6330: May 19th 2023 at 4:06:59 AM

Ok, thanks Austin.

Also, Mr-ex, let guess. Committing cannibalism is heinous enough, right?

Edited by ComputeryGuy1614 on May 19th 2023 at 9:07:32 PM

Mr-ex777 Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6331: May 19th 2023 at 4:31:24 AM

For a fairy tale?

Yeah it's incredible. Not so much if you're in Limbus Company though.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#6333: May 19th 2023 at 5:03:07 AM

It depends on the work, but yes cannibalism is one of crimes which are heinous enought 9 times out 10.

ComputeryGuy1614 Since: Oct, 2022
#6334: May 19th 2023 at 5:07:26 AM

Ok. And how does it depend on the work?

Edited by ComputeryGuy1614 on May 19th 2023 at 10:08:30 PM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#6335: May 19th 2023 at 5:12:07 AM

Just a note, the witch is explicitly said to have multiple victims

ComputeryGuy1614 Since: Oct, 2022
#6336: May 19th 2023 at 5:15:05 AM

How is it explicit, Lightysnake?

Edited by ComputeryGuy1614 on May 19th 2023 at 10:15:17 PM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#6337: May 19th 2023 at 5:20:16 AM

“ The old woman, although her behaviour was so kind, was a wicked witch, who lay in wait for children, and had built the little house on purpose to entice them. When they were once inside she used to kill them, cook them, and eat them, and then it was a feast day with her”

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#6338: May 19th 2023 at 5:20:41 AM

“ The old woman, although her behaviour was so kind, was a wicked witch, who lay in wait for children, and had built the little house on purpose to entice them. When they were once inside she used to kill them, cook them, and eat them, and then it was a feast day with her”

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#6339: May 19th 2023 at 5:22:56 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] it depends on baseline (ie how bad are standard villains of the work). Work like Inuyasha or Journey to the west( in which every demon villain and two of heroes eat humans woudn’t make it if it had a cannibal, which they actually do).

Edited by EmperorGeode on May 19th 2023 at 5:46:01 AM

ComputeryGuy1614 Since: Oct, 2022
#6340: May 19th 2023 at 5:23:14 AM

@Lightysnake Was that stated in the story?

@Emperor Geode Ok, thanks for the explanation.

Edited by ComputeryGuy1614 on May 19th 2023 at 10:25:07 PM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
ComputeryGuy1614 Since: Oct, 2022
#6342: May 19th 2023 at 5:36:12 AM

You mean it's a direct quote from the story?

ComputeryGuy1614 Since: Oct, 2022
#6344: May 19th 2023 at 6:05:17 AM

Ok then. Now I'm convinced that she's heinous enough to be a Complete Monster.

Edited by ComputeryGuy1614 on May 19th 2023 at 11:05:30 PM

Mr-ex777 Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#6345: May 19th 2023 at 6:10:03 AM

@ EmperorGeode: How high is Inuyasha's heinous standard even? I know Journey to the West's heinous standard is so absolutely nasty that apparently nobody can count.

I don't think it's even possible to compare those 2 with the Witch though, considering one is a Doorstopper Epic, the other is a Shounen Manga and the Witch comes from a literal fairytale that I assume is for kids.

Edited by Mr-ex777 on May 19th 2023 at 9:11:59 PM

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#6346: May 19th 2023 at 6:15:07 AM

Pretty much every villain has hundreds of kills, so much that only Naraku and his two most vicious detachments make it in canon.

  • Naraku for being responsible for pretty much everything bad that happens to anyone
  • Higudoshi for reandomly deciding to unleash rats to devour whole Japan.
  • Infant for rivaling his father in evil despite how weak and little time he has, plus And I Must Scream on dozens of demons.

Arawn999 Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#6347: May 19th 2023 at 6:52:26 AM

And Naraku's offshoots have agency, considering one of them falls in love with Sesshōmaru and tries to pull a Heel–Face Turn and the Infant plots to backstab and assimilate Naraku himself.

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#6348: May 19th 2023 at 7:53:35 AM

If there's a clear pattern revealed with the Witch, there's no way she doesn't count.

@Wrong Yeah. Whether or not the Exiled Kang is dead, we need official confirmation. Also, we need to see how he compares to his variants too.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#6349: May 19th 2023 at 7:54:55 AM

Yeah, I've seen Quantumania and...I'm a pretty staunch no on Kang. As vile as he is, he is still willing to allow Janet to go out of little but genuine gratitude for helping him. It's a little showcase of honor that I don't think a full on CM would demonstrate

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#6350: May 19th 2023 at 8:32:11 AM

Just found this monster of an unapproved entry on Maria no Danzai that they also tried to add to the main page through the Locked page request thread.

Edited by Agentofchaos on May 19th 2023 at 11:32:30 AM

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