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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

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  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#5676: Apr 12th 2023 at 8:07:56 AM

I'm again, totally for the Randall images. The video, even shortened, I'm not as sure of.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Apr 12th 2023 at 8:08:19 AM

Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
#5677: Apr 12th 2023 at 8:15:47 AM

For Randall I think it would be better if his sadistic smile is shown in the image but yeah. Other than this it's good right now.

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#5678: Apr 12th 2023 at 9:54:01 AM

[up]I agree with that. Maybe his quote in that scene would work too.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#5679: Apr 13th 2023 at 4:03:23 AM

Cuts for Kereb and Jeser filed.

ANonagon9 (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#5680: Apr 13th 2023 at 7:02:20 AM

On the character page for Who Framed Roger Rabbit – Judge Doom, it says that according to supplemental materials, he used to be a decent guy before his brains got scrambled in an on-stage accident. Does this give him agency issues?

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#5681: Apr 13th 2023 at 7:34:53 AM

Thoughts on this?

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#5683: Apr 13th 2023 at 7:53:30 AM

@ ANon, I recall that being discussed, IIRC it came down to Depending on the Writer.

Edited by 43110 on Apr 13th 2023 at 12:46:10 PM

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#5684: Apr 13th 2023 at 10:27:37 AM

Yeah and the backstory contradicts the films lore(Where toons cannot be seriously injured) so Doom is good.

Bow to the Prototype
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
ANonagon9 (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#5687: Apr 13th 2023 at 11:53:57 AM

Keep Doom

Any more thoughts on Dimitry?

"We'll meet again" | 🏳️‍⚧️
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#5688: Apr 13th 2023 at 1:06:43 PM

Contact who proposed him and ask him how many he endangered with that attack on the precient. I'll vote keep only if it's a large number of at least his intent but he needs an expansion at least if keeping to stand with the others.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#5690: Apr 13th 2023 at 1:35:14 PM

@ Agent, I found the EP and though he might keep with the Serial Killer and Serial Rapist shtick plus shooting up the police station, the post likewise doesn't give him an exact bodycount.

~PS83147 If you could weigh in to clarify?

Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
#5691: Apr 13th 2023 at 2:21:31 PM

So I got two suggestions for quotes and images on some characters right now. Don't know if this is the channel to put them but I have here Angus Bumby's, and Lotso's quotes on me right now, and here they are.

I could've made you into a tasty bit. Clients out the door waiting for a piece from a raving delusional beauty, with no memory of the past, or no sense of the future. But you wouldn't forget; you insisted on holding on to your fantasies. You're mad. Like your sister. Your sister was a tease. Pretended to despise me. She got what she wanted...in the end.

And then there is Lotso.

Lotso: Sheriff! The button! Help me!

Woody: Come on! Go! Go! Hit the button! Hurry! Just push it! Push it!

Buzz: Push it!

Lotso: Where's your kid now, Sheriff!?

Still trying to figure out how to upload images on this post right now but it's him leaving the toys to die if your wondering.

What do you think?

Edited by Echidna on Apr 13th 2023 at 5:34:30 AM

Paperfly Buzz from On The Wall Since: Jun, 2022
Buzz
#5692: Apr 13th 2023 at 2:34:14 PM

Where is Bumby from?

Bumby's quote seems fine, but Lotso's quote doesn't make sense out of context

Image Pickin' Backlog
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#5693: Apr 13th 2023 at 2:35:41 PM

He's from Alice: Madness Returns. Fun fact. Even his creator admitted he created him to be pure evil.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
#5694: Apr 13th 2023 at 2:36:17 PM

[up][up] Angus Bumby is from Alice Madness Returns. After all, I am pretty sure he is based on a real-life person Albert Fish (pretty clear this was intentional) but I won't go off-topic there. For Lotso IDK why I add the quote instead of the others that I could have chosen such as the box or what.

Edited by Echidna on Apr 13th 2023 at 7:15:35 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#5696: Apr 13th 2023 at 3:57:19 PM

[up][up]I...did not know that about Bumby actually.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#5697: Apr 13th 2023 at 6:46:33 PM

I like the Bumby quote but the Lotso one doesn't really work without context.

TBmacho22 Since: Jul, 2021 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#5698: Apr 13th 2023 at 7:02:18 PM

@futuremoviewriter

What Randall images are you talking about? I thought we can't put images on this thread?

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#5699: Apr 13th 2023 at 8:15:05 PM

I was talking about the ones where he was trying to kill Sully. There's a link somewhere on here.

Mr-ex777 Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#5700: Apr 14th 2023 at 4:49:18 AM

I dunno if anyone talked about it, but there is now a new development with...yes, that Singularity.

Apparently, he's still not done yet and decides to pull one last attempt to kill kid Bayonetta in full-blown Skynet-meets-Terminator fashion. Basically going back in time to try murdering kid Bayo only to be stopped and killed off once and for all by Jeanne.

(And before you ask, I don't think Puca counts, since he has to compete with the Angels who routinely attempt mass genocide and for all I know that guy "just" staged a coup and killed anyone who dared enter the woods, anything else are mostly empty threats. Morgana obviously can't count).

Is this worth an expansion, or its own entry?

Edited by Mr-ex777 on Apr 14th 2023 at 7:50:03 PM


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