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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

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  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#4701: Mar 1st 2023 at 10:29:00 AM

Ordeaux was involved in the last discussion for Jack before departing and said yes.

Anybody else able to find that original tally? I tried and didn't locate it for the record.

Original EP by the way.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 1st 2023 at 10:31:53 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#4702: Mar 1st 2023 at 10:33:21 AM

Leaning for a cut on Jack.

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#4703: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:19:00 AM

Went through about two dozen pages for this. Tally including votes unchanged from last discussion on the film version of Jack:

Cut: Purple Eyed Guma; Clown-Face; papyru30; Lightysnake; Emerald Emperor; Scraggle; 43110; Demon Duckof Doom; Awesomekid 42; miraculous; Master Joseph; Lore Deluxe; Shadao; Riley1s Cool; Forgo Light; Dood Slayer 136; King of Nightmares; Luigigalaxy; Sky Cat 32, TotemGenitor, Mimic 45, Fireball 246, Nattes Novgrel, MistaClean, BillyPeepers92, dookamatic, ShootingStar7x 27

Abstain: Old Mc Brother; Wet Flannels; Echidna; Wat Tambor; Austin DR; ACW; MasterN, EmperorGeode, rosewoof47, STARCRUSHER 99, Libraryseraph, A Sghhrv6ub, G-Editor 13

Keep: The Wrong One 41; futuremoviewriter (myself); Agentofchaos; Ravok; Irene; jjjj2; Powermaster 201; Arawn 999; Snoketrope; Ordeaux 26*, VeryVileVillain, Iceaura 39, Bullman, Agentofchaos 41, Michealthehero21, Beast, Overlord, HamburgerTime, KazuyaProta, CrystallicWolf108, toonyloon, MGD107, CapitanoNox, ShinyCottonCandy, emperors, Mediawatcher, RyanPuffs, LucienRen, BrianKT, coolmaneditor, Eliminations1 31

That's 33-22 KEEP.

31-27.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 1st 2023 at 1:22:46 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#4704: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:20:55 AM

You know put me at abstain for Jack. I haven’t seen the movie so I can’t judge on him

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#4705: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:21:59 AM

Didn't mimic and fire also vote no from memory?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#4706: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:22:55 AM

[up]If I missed anybody, my apologies.

If they did, that's 33-22 still in favor of keep.

31-26.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 1st 2023 at 12:41:05 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#4707: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:33:24 AM

So just Driscoll and the reporter?

BillyPeepers92 Since: Jun, 2021
#4708: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:43:00 AM

Honestly switching to a cut for Jack. If I am being honest, I do think the opposing side makes rather strong points such as how Death takes the role of Knight of Cerebus while Jack doesn't, thus causing Jack to come across as more comedic by comparison especially since he seems to be a parody of the "inredeemable and horrible villain" trope.

MistaClean from Newfoundland Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#4709: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:45:49 AM

[tdown] Jack. He MIGHT count in a vaccuum but given how seriously Death and Bloodwolf are taken compared to him, he ultimately fails short in the seriousness department.

Edited by MistaClean on Mar 1st 2023 at 11:46:17 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#4710: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:47:16 AM

Let's allow the discussion to play out for a bit. We were told to do the same with Lo Bu when it was clear the present discussion was bringing in an onslaught of downvote, rather than just calling it closed of what the technical current vote count indicated. There's a clear trend here future.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#4711: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:49:11 AM

Future.

Here are those downvotes

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#4712: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:49:50 AM

@43 Anybody who voted yes before has the right to come back and either change their mind or keep their original opinion. In the event he ends up cut, that's perfectly fine. We at least went as far as we needed to though.

[up]Thank you. I'll add them in.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 1st 2023 at 11:54:42 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#4713: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:51:30 AM

What about Sky's cut vote which is above you?.

Oh sorry see you added it.

Edited by miraculous on Mar 1st 2023 at 11:52:13 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#4714: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:53:10 AM

Also you have 20 names in the downvote section, yet you're marking it as 18.

NattesNovgrel from The Middle of Misery, South of Iowa Since: Apr, 2020
#4715: Mar 1st 2023 at 11:54:33 AM

I’m a cut for Jack personally, not even because he’s too comedic but I don’t think he’s heinous enough.

Edited by NattesNovgrel on Mar 1st 2023 at 1:56:09 PM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#4716: Mar 1st 2023 at 12:00:41 PM

@43 I miscounted. Just fixed it.

31-26. Still in favor of keep, but too close to call right now. Cut is probably inevitable though.

[down][down]Already got you under abstain.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 1st 2023 at 12:44:19 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#4717: Mar 1st 2023 at 12:17:06 PM

Oh, and I missed it earlier, but I'm a FIRM, FIRM keep for Colin Clark. I think he's the only one with double-digit rapes. The Klinefelds stay, this dude DEFINITELY stays IMO.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#4718: Mar 1st 2023 at 12:19:54 PM

Gonna Lean keep for Colin

I will abstain on Jack

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#4719: Mar 1st 2023 at 12:22:09 PM

Keep Colin his high body count allows him to still be considered unique

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WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#4720: Mar 1st 2023 at 12:30:00 PM

The issue with Colin though, he may be the highest... but he's not pushing by a major amount with only 16 victims.

The other Serial Rapist and are pedos, murderers, torturers or a mixture of all of them.

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#4721: Mar 1st 2023 at 12:36:44 PM

Should we include dookamatic in the cut votes for Big Jack considering they made the cut post in the first place?

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#4722: Mar 1st 2023 at 12:38:31 PM

Yeah, I don't really like getting the "FIRM, FIRM..." as though there's no argument to be made against him ACW, he's not demolishing the counts of villains who are far nastier than him. Tbh I find myself quite surprised he's getting support yet I've remained respectful of the keep camp. He's got one murder and otherwise is flat out tame compared to the others on the list and I can't really see him earning a place as "the worst" when he's just nudging above other rapists for numbers yet is frankly so much more mild in how he commits his crime, relatively.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#4724: Mar 1st 2023 at 12:54:52 PM

Honestly it is bad but like compared to some of the over the tops things that Stuart Otis, Gina Sinclair or Tom Cooley do.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#4725: Mar 1st 2023 at 1:04:11 PM

Keep Colin

IPP Wick Check created.

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