Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Got a quick question on a guy that the search function hasn't helped with. Max Zorin.
Heinousness? Not an issue. His Freudian Excuse? Nada. What my concern is his relationship with his father figure Carl Mortner. The issue I've got? He's surprisingly close with him and when he wipes out his workers to clear up loose ends he doesn't backstab Mortner. This includes May Day who throughout the film Max is seemingly the closest with yet abandons her by flooding the mines knowing she's there. After when he's with Mortner, they share a darkly humorous moment together with Max holding his head while glossing over the destruction of Silicon Valley. This is the guy who backstabs his allies in one of the worst Moral Event Horizon showcases in the franchise and attempts to flood Silicon Valley yet doesn't inflict any cruelty on Mortner?
Mortner himself seems distraught when Max falls to his demise so there's definitely some form of care from him on that end.
Despite Scarpine also being complicit with the mine massarce, I doubt there's any care from Zorin as he barks at him to get Bond when they crash the blimp into the Golden Gate Bridge.
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!I think the issue there is Zorin was engineered by Mortner to be a Sociopath. Now, Mortner clearly cares for him, but unlike May Day, Mortner is still the useful Evil Genius to Zorin (And presumably sees him as something of a son as he created him as part of his experiments)....but I don't think Zorin reciprocates in the same way. He doesn't, IIRC, demonstrate open affection to him beyond celebrating his victory.
Zorin goes purely by what's pragmatic at the time and the experiments ensure he can't feel love or affection.
Edited by Lightysnake on Feb 7th 2023 at 10:04:54 AM
That does admittedly seem rather weird. The guy is established as one of the worst backstabbers in the franchise and yeah him not harming Mortmer in any way does seem weirdly out of character. At the same time though I guess that there isn't technically proving that he cares about him.
I do wonder though if he was engineered to be a sociopath how exactly does he even have agency?
Eh fair enough, it was just some of their interactions seemed a bit genuine for me. Mainly the blimp one overseeing the almost destruction of Silicon Valley.
Although I don't recall Mortner being that instrumental in the flood plan? He was more to do with the horses and the microchips?
Edited by WetFlannels on Feb 7th 2023 at 7:19:37 PM
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!I didn't get much feedback before, but is everybody okay with my proposed rewrite
to Mecha Sonic's entry from Super Mario Bros. Z?
- Turbo Mecha Sonic is a power-hungry lover of destruction who seeks the seven Chaos Emeralds to become a god. Created when Metal Sonic merged with Dr. Eggman's other Sonic robots to become powerful enough to defeat Sonic, Mecha Sonic instantly attempted to murder his creator before crashing the Death Egg into Mobius. Realizing his taste for death and annihilation, Mecha Sonic wiped out nearly all life on Mobius and brutally murdered all of Sonic and Shadow's friends, including the young Tails and Cream. Travelling to the Mushroom Kingdom to seek the Chaos Emeralds, he killed an innocent Goomba and thrashed Yoshi to obtain his first two Emeralds. After butchering the Axem Rangers, Mecha Sonic blew up Yoshi's Island out of spite, nearly wiping out the Yoshi tribe and killing the Koopa Bros. in the process. Obsessed with both ultimate power and destroying everything in his path, Turbo Mecha Sonic horrifies anyone who crosses paths with him that lives to tell the tale.
Edited by chasemaddigan on Feb 7th 2023 at 3:46:40 PM
Keep Deathwing and Zorin
Also look forward to an EP on N'zoth if it ever comes
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffWhat was the consensus on whether Kyohei Jingu should stay as a CM or not? I know that Ibuchi was deemed a keep, but what about Jingu?
I think Jingu was voted cut. Ibuchi keep.
Let me check.
Anyway yeah for Ibucbi everyone returned to keep.Jingu has two keep votes to around 10 cut votes. Surffice to say I think he can be removed
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Carnage (2022) has had some interesting developments for both halves of Carnage...
Meanwhile, Cletus Kasady has been chilling out in the ruins of St. Estes' home for Boys — which he's converted into an Eldritch Location using the Extrembiote he got at the end of Extreme Carnage, content to wait for the Carnage symbiote to come to its senses and return to him. Whenever someone enters, he amuses himself by viewing their memories and then manipulating them into mutilating and eventually killing themselves in exchange for twisted philosophical insights into themselves.
...though I figure we should wait and see what happens next before adding anything just yet.

Kay! Like I said, I just wanted clarification, and I will happily support him.
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"