Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
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- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
I agree with 43 for the most part, but I could see a clarification on the hallucination bit being helpful—I'm assuming that endangers the others' lives because the player might accidentally kill the wrong person? It's not really clear. The saw part I could take or leave, sounds like a nice flourish but, again, the rest of the entry gets the point of horrible surgery across.
I'll switch to abstain on Ibuchi, normally I'd look into that myself to give a stronger vote one way or the other but I am way too tired to do that right now.
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 3rd 2023 at 11:54:40 AM
By the way guys, I am gonna start working on Red Linking the pages that are not currently Red Linked.
This is encouraged by policy and I think I remember it coming up during the discussion on the Threads.
Cool! Out of curiosity, do you mean Red Linking works or Red Linking Tropes?
Okay. Also... out of curiosity has anyone Reserved Wakanda Forever for Magnificent Bastard? Cause Namor feels like he would fit... Or should I ask this in the MB Cleanup thread?
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"Ah, okay. I figured as much, I was just surprised when I saw he wasn't up yet. Oh well. I wonder if I could possible reserve Quantumania for CM... Kang sounds like he may be a contender based on how He Who Remains's description of him in Loki is anything to go by...
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"They're talking about the Kang variant from Quantumania, not HWR. Nvm, being an idiot.
I don't see anyone that has it reserved, so go for it. Personally, I wouldn't expect much from him—worse than HWR or not, Kang usually leans more on the MB side of the spectrum, and even if this one ends up being an unambiguously irredeemable asshat, his arc probably won't close until Secret Wars. But hey, who knows?
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 3rd 2023 at 1:13:49 PM
Switch to keep to Ibuchi. The scale here at least sounds more than enough.
Edited by miraculous on Feb 4th 2023 at 1:49:02 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Slight addition (in bold) for one of my own keepers from In Death:
- Desperation in Death: Jonah K. Devereaux is the wealthy head of Reliable Delivery Services, as well as the brains and money behind a vile, massive Human Trafficking ring. "The Pleasure Academy" takes women and girls, with the latter as young as 11, if not younger, and grooms them—via drugs, electric shocks, and other methods—to become domestic slaves and sex slaves; the Academy also produces videos featuring its victims. In addition, the Academy occasionally holds auctions in which the girls are sold; in the most recent auction, Devereaux is even double-crossing his otherwise equally-vile partner, "Auntie" Iris Beaty, aka Iris Swan, who runs the Academy's day-to-day operations and considers Devereaux a friend. Devereaux also has his own sex slaves—albeit of age—and in fact is killed by his newest one after he tells her how he plans to share her with his friends.
to Scream 3 rewrite, tentative
to the Desperation in Death rewrite (tentative because I'm on the fence about whether that specification is necessary to the CM trope), and keep Ibuchiu.
Regarding the Dead Rising 3 rewrite, I think some of the new details it provides are good, others in that draft can be trimmed out. I'd like to attempt another draft here based on the current entry and Vrx04's rewrite:
- Dead Rising 3: Albert Contiello is a sadistic surgeon who represents the sin of Greed. Being implied to have harvested and sold the organs of people even before the outbreak, Contiello saw the outbreak as a chance to harvest organs freely for the sake of profit, and takes to abducting survivors and performing surgery on them without anesthetic. When he captures Nick Ramos, Contiello injects him with a hallucinogen that makes him hallucinate everyone around as Contiello, putting them in danger with the real Contiello attempting to saw four other survivors to death slowly with a surgical saw.
Edited by Derv0sB2 on Feb 4th 2023 at 7:40:10 AM
According to EmeraldEmperor:
Is this true?
Edited by Arawn999 on Feb 4th 2023 at 7:48:07 AM
If it needs to be trimmed down a bit, then is this better?
- Dead Rising 3: Albert Contiello is a sadistic surgeon who represents the sin of Greed. Being implied to have harvested and sold the organs of people even before the outbreak, Contiello saw the outbreak as a chance to harvest peoples organs freely for the sake of profit and takes to abducting survivors and performing surgery on them without anaesthetic. When Contiello kidnaps Nick Ramos, he drugs him with a hallucinogenic that makes him hallucinate the other four survivors as clones of Albert, making it difficult for Nick to not injure or kill them accidentally.
That rule change was for guys with vague and possible made of evil stuff like N.ma where the nightmare stuff is literally a single line.
Not stuff like the sword came to life because it was bathed in blood and hatred for centuries.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."@ Arawn 999: yeah we updated the rules regarding moral agency so if you want to argue to keep Soul Edge you are free to do so
Edit: Arawn said that they didn’t know that we altered our rules regarding moral agency. I mean I haven’t played Soul Caliber so I wouldn’t know anything about Soul Edge, but if Soul Edge can’t count even if we updated our rules then I’m happy to drop the subject and keep my vote to cut him
Edited by G-Editor on Feb 4th 2023 at 2:43:57 PM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffI mean this a sword that came alive because it was fed hundreds of years of accumulated hatred and bloodshdd. The one that turns anyone who uses it evil? Why would it? Like I'm also pretty lax with agency normally but not when an object literally only came alive because it got contaminated with evil.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."I brought this up the other day, but it didn't get much attention, but On Octopath Traveler: Champions of the Continent in Pardis's folder that wasn't mentioned in his EP
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- Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Deconstructed; Ulrica seems to be the only one he ever loved, but it doesn't do anything to diminish his evilness.
Can someone who's played this game clarify this please?
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Hi there, I like the rewrite but honestly I think Contiello's current entry concisely gets the point across. Dealing with implications of prior crimes and spelling out exactly how his scenes go is more something we do when effort posting a character, while the writeups are for getting the "gist" of why they count.