Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
That's really weird but I'm leaning cut on Rekka
What do you guys think of this quote?
The stuff in the Drafts and anything knew will be tomorrow, and swaps will be requested Monday as usual, but for now...
- "Emperor" Tarish-Zi, of the Empire of Yokuda, is known foremost for being the one behind the various atrocities of the Anka-Ra, including genocide and the destruction of culture. Tarish-Zi rode his armies into Hammerfell and began a bloody sweep across the land, exterminating entire peoples and leaving civilizations as nothing but "blood and bones". The depredations Tarish-Zi visited upon his conquered cities were so extreme that one of them, Shada's Tear, voluntarily sold themselves into the service of the Nereids and a Fate Worse than Death rather than let the Anka-Ra into their city. Tarish-Zi even broke his own traditions and turned his armies against his own allies when he was unsatisfied with the power he had, trying to engulf Cyrodiil in a massive war that was only stopped by the treachery of one of his own retainers. Even then, as an undead ghost, Tarish-Zi again tries to raise an army to invade and subjugate one of the cities he ruled in life.
- "Cold-Blooded Revenge" & "The Tree-Minder's Fate": Maldur is the head of Camp Merciful Reduction, who on behalf of the Altmeri Dominion has been draining the sap from Hist trees for his own corrupt research. When one of these Argonian villages refused to let him exploit their Hist tree, Maldur massacred nearly the entire settlement, even the hatchlings, and plundered their tree anyway. Maldur leaves the souls of these Argonians cut off from the Hist and condemned to horrible agony, unable to truly pass on.
- The Dark God (link
) (Fantasia & Gargoyles): Chernabog is the creature who, in ancient times, spent nights causing death and destruction on such a massive scale that night became known as the time of evil. Sealed in Bald Mountain, Chernabog spends nights with enslaved souls to entertain himself. Freed by Demona, Chernabog has the village beneath the mountain destroyed, eager to bring Hell on Earth. Toying with the Manhattan Clan and their human allies, Chernabog condemns Demona to die with the rest of the world after she tries to save Angela's life. Chernagog, as he is being turned to stone by the rising sun, mocks the heroes for only delaying the apocalypse till the next night, before trying to crush the them with his foot.
- Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis: Nur-Ab-Sal, the old king of Atlantis and creator of the God Machine, attempted to create man-made divinity through the sacrifice of countless "unworthy slaves". To test the God Machine, Nur-Ab-Sal experimented on his subjects, turning them into mutated abominations; inevitably, they perished in agony, and their warped skeletons are strewn all along Atlantis. In a room bloated with these skeletons, the spirit of Nur-Ab-Sal himself attempts to possess Indy's companion Sophia after having acted as her malevolent Spirit Advisor for the game, callously attempting to dispose of her the moment he sees fit so he can reclaim the God Machine. Nur-Ab-Sal's arrogance and pride are directly mirrored by the Nazis themselves, who pay the price for attempting to exploit Nur-Ab-Sal's monstrous technology for themselves.
- Fantoma Mark III, grandson of Fantômas, is a Diabolical Mastermind intent on flooding most of the world and rebuilding civilisation with himself as a ruler. After Lupin beats him in stealing the Punjab Ruby, needed to power the laser with which Fantoma intends to melt the ice, Fantoma kidnaps Fujiko and threatens to kill her unless Lupin gives up the ruby. Going back on his word, Fantoma has them both launched into space and Forced to Watch as he floods the world. Beaten and gravely injured, Fantoma organises a Thieves Race, intending to have Lupin killed, and even placing an Earthquake Machine beneath the stadium, uncaring about the lives of the spectators.
- Volume 4:
- "Yellow" arc: Carter Pillar is the richest man on Patch, and uses his wealth to cover his hundreds of heinous crimes. With a long history of killing anyone in his way, such as killing Hector Blaze's son with a Car Bomb and murdering the Ensleys while leaving baby Sapphire to die, Carter is the middle step in the Faunus trafficking operation between The Crown and Jacques Schnee; his role is to psychologically torture half of the slaves to leave them as loyal drones before shipping them off to be worked to death, while he keeps half of them for himself. The half he captures are tortured, mutilated, and killed by Carter himself, as shown when he tortures an entire family, murders the youngest child first to torment them, and then hangs the rest of them in his warehouse.
- "CFVY" and "Vacuo" arcs:
- Jax Asturias manages to be even worse than his canon counterpart. On top of running an international Human Trafficking ring that leads to countless slaves being sent to Carter and Jacques, Jax deals bad heroin that leads to countless deaths. After ordering the deaths of all his customers, Jax has his slaves and forces move through the Vacuo countryside killing everyone they see, leading to over five thousand deaths, and framing Atlas for all of them. Jax's ultimate end goal is to start a war between Atlas and Vacuo so he can martyr hundreds of his own people and destroy both Atlas and Mantle, even personally murdering his own sister when she gets in his way.
- Miranda Spot is Isaac "Ink" Spot's mother and one of Jax's Co-Dragons. Miranda is Jax's most sadistic soldier and carries out his orders with relish, brutally executing Carmine Esclados and Bertilak Celadon and later leading assaults on five villages, killing everyone inside and burning them to the ground. In her spare time, Miranda has been raping Ink since he was five, and by the present day has turned her husband into a Sex Slave using him to produce and then rape seven more sons.
- "Rise of The Tiger" arc: Ronald Atwood uses his role as a beloved teacher to hide his status as a serial child molester. Claiming 55 victims before attempting to molest Alessandro Khan, Atwood becomes infinitely worse upon being recruited by the assassin Lurker. Atwood begins filming himself torturing, mutilating, and raping children, sending the tapes to Sienna Khan out of vengeance for being caught, and even leaving several decapitated heads on her lawn. Eventually targeting Alessandro again, Atwood cuts off his limbs and removes all of his senses before trying to rape Blake, refusing to the end to accept that he ever did anything wrong.
- The End of Mushroom Kingdom (video link
): Bowser, portrayed far worse than he normally is, has gotten tired of his constant losses to the Mario Bros and figured out a way to fuse a power star with a poisoned mushroom, creating the Z-Star. Bowser launches a missile infused with Z-Star power at the Mushroom Kingdom, which ends up annihilating the entire Mushroom Kingdom, killing nearly everyone inside. The Z-Star would go around corrupting things that Mario would end up facing, and eventually, it would end up doing the same to Luigi, forcing Mario to fight and kill his own brother. When Mario confronts Bowser, Bowser infuses Peach with the Z-Star's power, eventually leading to her death.
- Kargath Bladefist is the founder and leader of the Shattered Hand clan whose insatiable love of pain created one of the cruelest orcs in existence. Kargath led his clan to torture new recruits either to death or until they began to enjoy the suffering, and he would gleefully torture victims by flaying, burning, or having them eaten alive, all the while injecting them with poisons that kept them conscious and aware for as long as possible. Caring nothing for the orcs, Kargath became the only non-warlock to join Gul'dan's Shadow Council and sell out his race into enslavement to the Burning Legion. Reveling in the Old Horde's cruelties, Kargath successfully led the genocide of the arakkoa save for a handful of outcasts, and stayed behind on Draenor to keep the more savage clans in line. Betraying master after master over the following decades, Kargath ultimately settled on following Illidan Stormrage in exchange for ruling over the Fel Horde and further corrupting the last of his race to satiate his never-ending sadism.
- Astra Lost in Space: Doctors Jed Walker and Olive Raffaeli lead a conspiracy of Immortality Seekers responsible for the events of the series. Having perfected a method of transferring a person's mind into a clone body, the two doctors and the project's various wealthy backers raise clones of themselves as their children, with the ultimate aim of eventually killing them and transplanting their own brains into the younger clones; the fact that the children are effectively their own people means nothing to them. When laws against cloning intensify, Jed and Olive callously lead their cabal in attempting to have all of them killed in a space travel accident to save themselves from incrimination.
- Booty Royale: Never Go Down Without a Fight!: Dr. Ikezaki Gensuke is a celebrity surgeon who uses his public image, wealth, and connections to shield his sexual sadism from both the police and the Yakuza. Gensuke's first introduced having savagely beaten Akihoshi Leia after hiring her as a call girl and then bribing her to keep quiet; Yashiki Kurisu heard of him similarly beating a worker at an extreme S&M club so badly that they banned him for life. After Misora breaks his left hand for the assault on Leia, Gensuke first hires a hitman to attack her with a sword, then has her kidnapped and attempts to make a Snuff Film where he first rapes her, then watches as she's vivisected—and he admits to there being many prior victims buried on the mountain behind the studio. Throughout it all, Gensuke remains unrepentant and utterly convinced he'll get away with all of his crimes.
- Metropolis, by Osamu Tezuka: Duke Red has Dr. Lawton create the android Michi as a prototype for his Slave Race. Aiming to conquer the planet with his machines, Red works his replicas to death after Lawton rescues Michi from him and later kills Lawton himself. Red also has the global temperature raised, mutating animals which attack and kill humans across the world, while he rules the world from Antarctica, attempting to kill children to recapture Michi.
- Just a Pilgrim: Castenado is the brutal and sadistic leader of the buckers, who sends his men to slaughter any group of survivors they see. Decorating his base with the heads of his victims, Castenado also forces other bandits to join his gang, forcing them to endure "initiation", which consists of eating the lips of the dead; wearing "the necklace o' dongs"; putting steel nails through their own skin; killing infants; and raping a goat. Bandits who refuse to go through "initiation" are brutally killed. Castenado has a habit of killing his men for the slightest provocation, at one point ordering them to jump from a helicopter to their deaths and slaughtering them when they refused. Constantly trying to massacre the group of survivors who were guided by the Pilgrim, Castenado managed to burn some of them alive, before he captured a few other survivors and attached them to his helicopters to serve as human shields. As his forces slaughter almost all the survivors, Castenado gleefully tries to kill a 10-year-old Billy, causing Billy to detonate the bomb that kills them both.
- Kivu, by Jean Van Hamme & Christophe Simon: Colonel Ernest Malumba, the Director of Production of the firm Metallurco, enslaves civilians for the coltan mines. Before one of his raids, Malumba specifically orders his troops to rape and mutilate women and girls in front of their families, imprison men above the age of 12, cut the hands off anyone who resist, and burn old people and babies in their huts; he also threatens to chop the noses and ears of anyone who would disobey those orders. When a little girl falls into his clutches, Malumba announces his plan to sell her as a Sex Slave, and then attempts to rape her himself.
- Black Adam (2022):
- Ishmael Gregor is a mercenary, member of Intergang, and a descendant of King Ahk-Ton. Ishmael helped to throw Kahndaq into chaos, poverty, and oppression, even killing his own man for "beating" him too hard during an act. Ishmael, like his ancestor before him, intends to obtain the Crown of Sabbac to bring the armies of the Underworld onto the world, and he keeps people fearful, threatening acts of violence by Intergang. Once Ishmael manages to obtain the crown—through kidnapping and threatening Adrianna Tomaz's young son Amon—he becomes Sabbac and leads the army into Kahndaq with the desire to solidify his firm grasp over it first and then intends to turn the world into Hell on Earth.
- The insatiably cruel Ahk-Ton himself ruled Kahndaq in ancient times with an iron fist while creating the Crown of Sabbac for ultimate power over the world. Having enslaved numerous natives of Kahndaq to build his empire and mine for the material Eternium, he regularly threatens and sacrifices the lives of dissenters, including executing the slaves as a "reward" for their work. When Teth-Adam's son Hurut becomes the champion for "Shazam", after Ahk-Ton tries to publicly execute him, and uses his powers to fight against him as Kahndaq's protector, Ahk-Ton has his mother Shiruta murdered, and Adam himself is gravely wounded in the process. When Adam is saved by Hurut transferring his powers to him, Hurut himself ends up being killed by Ahk-Ton's forces instead.
- The Deer Hunter: The "guard in charge" of the Viet Cong P.O.W. Camp serves as the ultimate representation of evil in The Vietnam War. Torturing and abusing the prisoners in his care, the guard in charge orders the prisoners to play a sadistic game of Russian Roulette for the entertainment of himself and his men. The prisoners are beaten and forced to play the twisted game until they die one by one, and any who refuse to play are locked inside a "pit" submerged in a rushing river to be slowly tired out and drown. Dozens of men die between the pit and the roulette, and the guard in charge oversees this horror for nothing but the amusement of gambling.
- The Expendables 2: Jean Vilain is the leader of the mercenary group the Sangs, who cause havoc within Albania and its surrounding regions. Discovering a mine that contains six tonnes of pure, weapons-grade plutonium, which he plans to sell, Vilain then raids surrounding villages for their men to use as workers. Any worker who was too old or weak was summarily executed as a warning to the other slaves. Vilain ambushes The Expendables and bribes Billy's life for the mine map, killing him anyway after they give it to him. Wanting to speed up the process, Vilain has his thugs raid the surrounding villages again, this time with the intent of using female and child slaves. When Vilain obtains the plutonium, he seals the mine, trapping all of the slaves to tie up loose ends.
- A Haunting at Silver Falls: Anne Sanders is a Serial Killer responsible for the death of not only the Dahl twins, but her own sister, as well. In the process of these murders, she allowed her husband Kevin to rape them before torturing them to death and keeping their photographs as mementos. Allowing Wyatt Dahl to be framed for and put to death over the murder of his daughters, Anne gladly used him to intimidate anyone who saw the ghost of the twins. While trying to keep up the façade of a loving aunt to Jordan, Anne nevertheless bullied her over perceived slights, eventually locking her in the bathroom while she and Kevin went on a date. Once Jordan discovered the truth, Anne revealed her true colors by openly plotting to torture her to death, smacking Kevin when he protested, and attempting to kill Jordan's boyfriend Larry when he tried to intervene. The evil failed to stop once Anne was killed, as she returned as a ghost to torment a man named Jack into committing more murders in her name, only stopping when Jordan managed to defeat her a second time.
- Rabbit-Proof Fence: Mr. A. O. Neville—nicknamed "Mr. Devil" by his victims—is the "Chief Protector of the Aborigines", who uses his position of power to enforce his own racist desires onto Australia. Holding the Aboriginal people in contempt and wishing to slowly breed out Aboriginal blood in "half-caste" children, Neville signs a decree in which any children born from one white parent and one Aboriginal parent are ripped away from their homes and thrown into the Moore River Native Settlement, a labor camp where the children are forcibly trained into becoming servants for white society. Through this, Neville hopes to see a mass eugenics scheme come to fruition, in which all of the "trained" half-caste children are married off to white partners and their children have their Aboriginal bloodline bred out of them. Neville oversees the camp and ensures that any children who try to escape or otherwise misbehave are brutally whipped bloody and locked in cages in the heat, and he keeps one of his best minions in line by holding the man's daughter hostage at Moore River. Despite his proclamations of "helping the natives", Neville is a corrupt supremacist who reigned for 25 years and ruined thousands of lives, and is happy to tear families apart and sentence children to lives as slaves who are physically and sexually abused in his mad quest for white blood propagation.
- The Ripper: Jack the Ripper himself was the misogynistic perpetrator of the Whitechapel murders, killing prostitutes to power his ring and gain immorality. Using his ring to return in the 1980s, the Ripper possesses Professor Richard Harwell and viciously disembowels young women, eventually trying to kill Richard's fiancée to restore his own body.
- Thor and the Amazon Women (1963): The Black Queen is the cruel ruler of the Amazons. Invading the city of Babylon and having the royal family killed, including having the king pulled to death by horses, she has the male population enslaved to work in mines, starved and beaten for the smallest disobedience. The Black Queen has her army terrorise the land, stealing children to be raised either as slaves or as part of her army, while having any women who speak out against her made gladiatrices and forced to kill 20 other gladiatrices to earn her freedom. Receiving the prophecy about her defeat at the hands of Thor, the Black Queen sends her army to capture him. Learning that they instead captured the survivors of Babylon's royal family, Tamar and Amouk, the Black Queen has her general executed after her defection and takes Ubaratu as her new husband after executing the old one. Forcing Tamar into arena while Thor dangles over the fire, the Black Queen is shown not to hesitate to kill even her new husband.
- Monster & Villain: Brigadier General Gwendolyn DiMarco desires to make Super Soldiers no matter the cost. To this end, she runs the classified military base "The Ranch" as second-in-command to Tom Peaks, and has horrific experiments conducted there, such as mutating people into human-animal hybrids, leaving many in constant pain; forcefully turning people into cybernetic killing machines; keeping alive and aware severed heads in jars to study them; and using the brains of infants to pilot suicide drones. When the horrors of the Ranch are exposed, DiMarco orders a battalion of tanks to attack Dillon Poe in an attempt to distract the public, unconcerned about civilian casualties.
- Hero: Robert "Bob" Markovic was a predatory businessman before being mutated into a sapient swarm of plague-bearing bugs. Using his new abilities, Markovic attempts to take over New York City by infecting all of New York City Hall and Police Plaza with every deadly disease to exist, leaving everyone there in a state of twisted agony begging for death. Taking control of Grand Central Station, Markovic infected one man there as an example of what he can do. Markovic then hijacks a train, taking its passengers hostage as he heads to Washington to take over the government and attempts to kill the heroes—including his own daughter Simone—as they try to stop him.
- Blood & Treasure Season 2: Batu serves as the "acting" Great Khan for Violet, where he would send her army to attack numerous locations in his search for the Spirit Banner of Genghis Khan, leading to countless bloodshed and deaths throughout the world. Batu would also break Simon Hardwick out of prison to force Hardwick to aid him in his search for the Banner, branding Hardwick when the latter tried making a move behind Batu's back, and later killing off Hardwick's group of white-hat hackers so they wouldn't get in his way. Batu shows the rest of his men this kind of cruelty, feeding them to crocodiles should they fail him. Batu's also believes that the Spirit Banner contained a virus that would kill off anyone that doesn't have Genghis Khan's DNA, a virus which Batu intends to unleash onto the world to wipe out everyone he deems lacking in superior genes.
- The English: David Melmont was once the ambitious bookkeeper of Englishman Thomas Trafford. Allying with a group of vengeful soldiers, Melmont committed a brutal massacre on the innocent Cheyenne settlement of Chalk River with a helpless Trafford and Pawnee Scout Eli Whipp as the witnesses to his crime. Melmont then traveled to England to deceive Trafford's wealthy fiancée Cornelia Locke with false claims of Trafford being imprisoned and in need of 2,000 pounds to secure his release. Upon Locke realizing the truth, Melmont raped her and fled with the money to America. Unknowingly infected with syphilis by the rape, Locke raised the resulting child until he died of the disease years later. A respected businessman in Colorado, Melmont raped another woman without care of infecting her and their child as well. Upon meeting Locke again, Melmont can only express confusion on how she would care for the child while taking time to mock her relentlessly over her inability to kill him as the last living piece of her son.
- TerrorVision's "One of a Kind": Mr. and Mrs. Benjamin appear to be the delightful owners of the One of a Kind fashion store in need of models. In truth, the two lure young women to their store to turn them into still-living mannequins unable to move or speak. With over eight mannequins acquired, the Benjamins successfully trick the bright-eyed Brenda into becoming one of their new mannequins, with hopes of doing the same to her friend Joan.
- The Stupendium's "The Toybox
": Elliot Ludwig is the ruthless head of Playtime Co. Desiring to make advanced toys he could sell, Elliot performed horrid experiments on countless people, even his own employees, to make them into living toys. The process results in them steadily losing their memories, and eventually being driven to murderous insanity.
- Chouriki Sentai Ohranger's: "The School's Scary Nightmare": Bara Nightmare is a rogue Machine Beast who escaped to Earth 11 years prior to the start of the series. Developing a taste for prepubescent girls, Bara Nightmare would kidnap one or two girls from Sakurazaka Elementary each year and make it look like they died in an accident, when in actuality he stops their aging and traps them in a dream world, where he makes them act out whatever sick fantasy he wants. When his first victim Mayumi uses the nightmare to reach out to her best friend Momo Maruo, now Oh Pink, for help, Bara Nightmare traps her in the dream world and attempts to completely destroy her, both by trying to kill her and mentally break her.
- Go!: Dragotron is the leader of the Predacons who seeks to Take Over the World. After the Predacons split apart from the Decepitcons, Dragotron and his troops destroyed countless worlds before arriving to Earth. Posing a threat to both factions, the Autobots and Decepticons teamed up to seal them away in Mount Fuji. Upon being freed and restored to full power by his followers, Dragotron absorbed two children so he can use the power of their Legendiscs to cyberform the entire planet, wiping out all organic life in the process. When that failed, Dragotron then absorbed his fellow Predacons so he can become invincible and defeat the Autobots once and for all.
- Bayonetta 3: Singularity is the most monstrous foe ever faced by the Umbra Witches. An Artificial Human, Singularity destroyed his home universe with his army, the Homunculi, before growing aware of the multiverse. Seeking to impose his will upon all existence, Singularity launched a multiversal invasion to butcher thousands of universes and eradicate all life within. Becoming aware of Bayonetta as one of the few able to oppose him, Singularity would kill her countless times over the multiverse to take her soul and power. Coming to the "Prime" universe, Singularity began to rain death and destruction on numerous cities before trying to eradicate all existence as he had done thousands of times before.
- Black Dahlia: Richard "Dick" Winslow is a seemingly inept, lecherous FBI agent who bumbles his way into Jim Pearson's heroics, but he is actually a Nazi operative with a mad dream to subvert reality to his whims. Dick seeks to obtain the Black Dahlia gem and use its power to enslave the minds of others, so he dispatches his partner Von Hess to torture and kill his way to obtaining the gem while Dick personally oversees the Cleveland Torso murders, a series of brutal slayings of innocents, as "blood sacrifices" to the Dahlia. Murdering Von Hess for failing him, Dick tracks the Dahlia across the globe, killing anyone in his way up to and including Elizabeth Short, who Dick heinously mutilates and bisects. Upon obtaining the Dahlia, Dick slaughters his partner Al King, forces Jim's lover Alice to kill herself in front of him, and tries to bodyjack Jim as the first step in his scheme to turn America into a new Reich for himself to rule.
- The Praetorian Tammy Arcanus, more commonly known as Diabolique, was a simple sorceress in the Praetorian Midnight Squad who had an unhealthy obsession with dark, eldritch magics and Death. Accidentally causing her own body to wither into nothing, Tammy murders her father for his failure to save her and enslaves his soul with the mystic medallion he used to anchor her soul. Tammy would then flee the Midnight Squad and eventually become the magical attack dog of Emperor Cole, taking great pleasure in murdering numerous other mystics, including the entire Ravenwing Cabal, even if she couldn't refuse to do so. When Tammy, now called Diabolique, managed to acquire the medallion that was binding her to Cole's will, she journeyed to Primal Earth and joined forces with Mot. Exploiting the hatred of her enemies, the Talons of Vengeance, Diabolique tricks them into gathering more people to kill and further empower her new ally, delighting in all the death she brings wherever she goes. Upon her initial defeat, Diabolique is empowered by Mot and exploits her master's defeat to take his powers, thereby becoming Death Incarnate, setting her sights on conquering not only Primal Earth with Death, but Praetoria and all other Earths.
- The Dark Pictures Anthology:
- Little Hope: Simon Carver is the reverend of Little Hope who forces the child, Mary Milton, to accuse innocent people of committing witchcraft. These innocents are then executed in horrific ways with Amy chained up and drowning to death, Tanya either being hanged or burned on the stake, David impaled by a fence, and Joshua being pressed by stones. Carver would then accuse Mary of being a witch, and if Carver succeeds in getting Mary executed, he smiles sadistically while watching Mary being burned alive.
- The Devil in Me:
- Henry Howard "H.H." Holmes himself, real name Herman Mudgett, was America's first serial killer, and its deadliest. Having ran the World Fair Hotel as a front to kill his guests in painful ways, Holmes kept the skulls and rings of his many victims for his own amusement. Killing an innocent couple in the prologue before moving on to murder a mother and son, Holmes is found to have amassed a body count of over 200 victims, his influence inspiring the likes of fellow killers Manny Sherman and Granthem Du'Met.
- Manny Sherman was a small-time Serial Killer who left behind a sinister legacy. Known as the "Beast of Arkansas" who sought to leave his mark on the world after being inspired by H.H. Holmes, Sherman would lure female realtors to abandoned houses near airports so that he could murder them as planes flew over them, happily knowing that nobody would hear their screams no matter how hard they yelled. With thirteen murders under his belt, after being arrested and put on Death Row by FBI Agent Hector Munday, Sherman manipulated the mentally deteriorating Munday into becoming a serial killer like himself, allowing him to become the dreaded Granthem Du'Met and kill hundreds of people, just as Sherman hoped would happen.
- FAITH: The Unholy Trinity:
- Gary Miller is the inhuman leader of the Eternal Order of the Second Death who desires to summon forth The UNSPEAKABLE and bring about Hell on Earth. Under Gary's leadership, the Order takes over an abortion clinic, transforming unborn children into horrifying abominations and getting several people killed in the process. They also regularly summon dangerous demons. At the clinic, Gary met Amy Martin and tried to use her to summon The UNSPEAKABLE, mutilating her and sacrificing infants as part of the ritual. When priest John Ward stops the ritual and tries to stop the cult, Gary attempts to have his friend possessed by a demon. Gary also mistreats his followers, twisting them into inhuman monsters, breaking the fingers of those who displease him, and causing many to be killed by demons. When Ward arrives at his lair, Gary slaughters several cops and attempts to summon The UNSPEAKABLE through Ward, causing him to rip apart several cultists in the process.
- The UNSPEAKABLE is the demon worshiped by the Eternal Order of the Second Death. Said to be The Antichrist, the Order's ultimate goal is to summon the UNSPEAKABLE through a twisted ritual of mutilation and infanticide. In its name, the Order has committed Human Sacrifice, and summoned murderous demons for decades. When Amy Martin was chosen as a vessel for the UNSPEAKABLE, it possessed her and gruesomely murdered her parents and Father Allred and tormented John Ward. Depending on John's actions, the UNSPEAKABLE either drags Gary to hell for failing it, or is successfully summoned and drags John to a realm of eternal torment while the UNSPEAKABLE brings destruction and chaos to the world.
- Chapters II & III: Sister Miriam Bell is a member of the Eternal Order of the Second Death and the mother of Gary Miller. Years ago Miriam gave herself the Second Death, turning herself into a portal to hell and having dozens of infants sacrificed to the portal, resulting in the appearance of Gary. Miriam later volunteered at a church that was housing orphans, eventually "consuming" six of the children, murdering a nun, and driving a priest to madness and death. Miriam is also implied to be behind the deaths of several children in the church's past. Miriam eventually tried to summon the UNSPEAKABLE through herself, knowing that its appearance would being chaos and death to the world.
- God of War series:
- Greek era Primarily : Ares, the depraved God of War, is Kratos's predecessor upon Olympus. Not content with merely ruling over warfare and coveting sole rule of Olympus, Ares busied himself with endless slaughter. Responsible for directing every human conflict, massacre, and genocide, Ares gloried in the usage of monsters to torment humanity and the Furies to torture them. Upon arriving in Sparta and taking the boy Deimos, Ares gave him to the god Thanatos for eternal torture. Saving the life of the Spartan Kratos years later, Ares used him to conquer most of Greece with bloody purges until the day when Ares tricked Kratos into murdering his wife and child. Finally losing patience with his role, Ares then tried to annihilate all of Athens, with his ultimate goal being to destroy the other Gods, heedless of the damage it would do to the world.
- Ragnarök: The Raven Keeper is a wretched hag responsible for the creation of the Eyes of Odin. To achieve this, the Raven Keeper had Odin's worshippers across the realms hang their children to provide her their souls to twist into spies for Odin, keeping them fully aware of their torture.
- Grandia III: Grau is the sinister lackey of Emelious who is later revealed to be the one responsible for his "master"'s actions. Having stumbled upon Emelious after he was corrupted by Xorn, Grau began using him as a figurehead to resurrect Xorn in a bid of power. Guiding Emelious to kill the other Guardians knowing it would bring destruction upon the world, Grau also enlisted their personal army to ruthlessly carry out their plans, apathetic of the casualties they caused. By the time of Xorn's return, Grau, revealing his true colors, tries to backstab Emelious and kill Alfina after their role was complete before trying to command Xorn with the Godkiller, laughing the world was his amidst the desolation caused by his resurrection.
- I Frog-ot (link
): Dreameater is a supernatural entity who feeds on the bodies and souls of humans. Luring people to its cabin, it puts them in a dreamlike state and makes them see the house as colorful and friendly as it puts the appearance of a cute frog and forces them to do some tasks for it. As soon as its victims finish, Dreameater devours their bodies and souls and then seeks another victim. Killing 18 people this way, Dreameater tries to do the same to its most recent prisoner, getting furious when they manage to break free of its control, after which Dreameater taunts them and tries to hunt them down.
- Doctor Harlan J. Fontaine is a renowned psychiatrist, whose folksy front masks a cold-blooded manipulator. Joining the Suburban Redevelopment Fund, Fontaine becomes the primary mastermind behind their schemes, next to Leland Monroe, with their plan being to extort millions from the government through eminent domain. To this end, Fontaine manipulates and drugs a traumatized soldier, Ira Hogeboom, into burning down houses for the SRF. When two families, including children, are killed as a result, Fontaine apathetically dismisses their deaths, only being later concerned about the publicity Hogeboom would bring, putting a hit out on him. Fontaine also buys off lethally potent morphine from his protégé, Courtney Sheldon, secretly selling it as "medication" for his patients and distributing it around the city, as the mob's biggest provider. Setting up Elsa Lichtmann's friend, Louis Jan "Lou" Buchwalter, to be killed in an "industrial accident", Fontaine would encourage Elsa's drug addiction and exploit its toll on her. When Courtney Sheldon learns of the SFB's corruption, Fontaine kills him with a lethal dose, and prepares to kill Elsa when she connects Fontaine to Lou's death.
- Terror of Hemasaurus: Richie Hoarderson is the greedy and nihilistic CEO of PollutaCorp, who knowingly spreads disinformation about climate change; starts a cannibal EcoTerrorist death cult; builds a time machine; bioengineers Hemasaurus, and sends it back in time to be frozen in a glacier. As the Shepherd of the Church of the Holy Lizard, Richie directs Hemasaurus to rampage across the United States—destroying multiple cities, sabotaging climate science research, and sadistically killing thousands—while treating everyone other than himself as completely disposable. Once he grows bored of the scam, Richie decides to abandon Earth to live on the Moon, using his private army as a meat shield to stall a repentant and vengeful Hemasaurus while expressing zero remorse for his actions.
- Puss in Boots: The Last Wish: "Big" Jack Horner is a childishly sadistic pie factory owner and crime boss who dreams of achieving the power of the Wishing Star so that he can use all the world's magic to make himself ruler. Once a young entertainer before turning to crime out of jealousy, Jack is a collector of various magical objects he stole, including baby unicorn horns. Hiring the Serpent Sisters to retrieve him the map to the Wishing Star, while uninterested in the amount of people they had to kill to acquire it, Jack uses the Midas Touch to turn one of them into gold after growing annoyed of them. Packing up his belongings and bringing his Baker's Dozen to chase after Puss and Kitty after they steal the map, Jack relentlessly and carelessly sacrifices all of his men on his journey to the Star, even acting apathetic when he accidentally kills some during a firefight. Ultimately reveling in his villainy, Jack passes off any attempts at redemption or kindness to achieve his goals, remaining one of the cruelest people encountered by Puss and friends.
- Issues #35-36—"Katie" two-parter: Thomas "Tom" Dawson, father of Tommy Monaghan, is a seemingly respectable businessman who hides a monstrous ego. A frequent client of the prostitute Katie, Dawson repeatedly threatened her if she ever tries to trick him. When Katie got pregnant with his child, Dawson burns down her house with her 3 young children inside it to protect his reputation. Tailing Katie to America, Dawson then brutally mutilated her to cover up his tracks. 30 years later, Katie's child Frances, along with Tommy, return to Ireland, with Dawson retaliating by butchering Frances and then attempting to kill Tommy.
- What She Did (link
): The sisterly Mari is depicted here as an emotionally manipulative sexual predator. Even since her brother, Sunny, turned twelve, she slowly and possessively groomed him into thinking that sexual interactions between brother and sister were normal. Shortly after Sunny turned sixteen, Mari repeatedly raped him amidst her monthly visits from college. Over the years, she used the friend group's and Faraway Town's adoration of her as grounds to keep the abuse a secret, leaving Sunny with hallucinations of her and a severe phobia of physical affection. When Rowan confronted her about her abuse, she mocked and silenced him as well, by threatening to out him as gay and accuse him of being the one who raped Sunny.
- Metropolis (1989): Futura is a cognizantly sadistic version of Maria's robotic double. After having the heroic freedom fighter likeness grafted onto her by the orders of John Freeman, Futura is sent to disrupt the planned rebellion of Metropolis's working class by impersonating Maria. Distracting the workers through cruel manipulation, Futura gleefully tries to suffocate them all as the unmanned machines drop the oxygen levels, and takes a child hostage to keep them at bay, stabbing hero Steven when he tries to stop her.
- The Sandman's Pillow (link
): Keith Hoffmann is the successful young founder of the Sandman Sleeper Pillow Corporation. Forced by his wealthy father to make his own fortune, Keith uses a magical storybook to summon The Sandman, and begins marketing sand-filled pillows as his company's gimmick. The sand causes anyone who sleeps on the pillow to fall into an irreversible sleep so deep that they are declared legally deceased, with at least 26 victims being claimed. Apathetic to this side effect, Keith hopes to eventually sell millions of pillows, and uses his connections to institutionalize anyone who attempts to hold him accountable.
- Unclassified Encounter:
- Lucius Varus, in the distant past, was a soldier for the Roman Empire. During one of their many big battles, Lucius's entire army was killed by an enemy, and Lucius was mortally injured. Lucius, in an effort to survive, would start eating the dead body of one of his fallen enemies, discovering that he could gain immortality by eating human flesh. Lucius returned to Rome and started luring people to him so he could kill and eat them to keep himself alive. After the Roman Empire fell, Lucius would become a traveller going from place to place and participating in anything that would retain his immortality. Lucius would participate in many historical atrocities including assisting Elizabeth Báthory, the Sawney Bean group of cannibals, as well as personally being responsible for the Jack the Ripper killings, the Man from the Train slayings, and the Hinterkaifeck killings. In "Episode Five: ELAH", Lucius disguised himself as a doctor on the British ship the Bickleigh Bridge. When one of the people on the ship recognized Lucius as the one who murdered her family, Lucius tries to kill her.
- "Episode Three: NERTHOL": The unnamed alien was sent by its superiors to scout out humanity for an unknown mission. The unnamed alien attacks the RAF Pengam Moors, launching a beam weapon at it that instantly destroys it, killing thousands of people in the process. The alien then goes onto the ground inside a high-powered suit and kills anyone that survives his initial attack, viewing humanity as nothing more than pests that need to be eliminated.
- "Episode Five: ELAH": Captain Krancke is captain of the Admiral Scheer, working for the German Army during World War II. In an effort to weaken the British forces, Krancke is leading a massive campaign to sink various British merchant ships, in an effort to prove to his superiors that this idea is effective so he can have the approval to sink even more British merchant ships. Captain Krancke attacks the Bickleigh Bridge after sinking another ship previously, killing many people in both of these sinkings.
- Whateley Universe:
- Deathlist is a psychopathic cyborg who has an obsessive desire to spread carnage for his own sadistic pleasure. Responsible for the horrific butchering of innocent men, women, and children, Deathlist reaches a new height of depravity when he kidnaps an innocent mutant superheroine. Removing her limbs and jamming a device into her skull, Deathlist has the mutant subjected to a month of torture and rape by his own troops. Deathlist later kills her and leaves her body as a taunt towards her teammates.
- Hekate, real name Kallysta Thessellarean, is a sadistic sorceress who aspires to become something much worse. Sacrificing two children to learn a spell, Hekate uses her newfound magic to mentally enslave two of her classmates for a year, keeping them aware while they were raped and abused. Later trying to use the same spell on Fey, Hekate summons three iron elementals to brutalise her, promising them dozens of sacrifices. To spite Fey, Hekate stabs Jade in the heart, just to torment her foe.
- Grune was one of the most respected soldiers of the Kingdom of Thundera who secretly desires the throne. After he and his brother in arms Panthro are sent to search for the Book of Omens, an enraged Grune frees and pledges himself to Mumm-Ra, seemingly killing Panthro in the process. Grune helps lead the lizard army to plunder Thundera and enslave its people, even helping organize the death of the king. As Mumm-Ra's right-hand, Grune occupies the elephants' village, suspected of harboring the Spirit Stone, and threatens the lives of its inhabitants. In the end, he even attempts to betray Mumm-Ra, and as he is being sucked into the Astral Plane, tries to pull Panthro with him.
Did we ever get more info on how Rekka's ending plays out in Fire Force?
EDIT:
Also minor question, but having just finished The Last Wish(Agreed with Horner keeping BTW) should the fact Jack burns a bunch of living flowers be brought up?
Edited by Snoketrope on Jan 28th 2023 at 7:42:41 AM
Bow to the Prototype@ACW
I added Maegor's write-up to the Drafts. I left it mostly without potholes, so you can choose what you want to put. He should go at the bottom of the "Game of Thrones and Histories & Lore" folder because he doesn't make a single appearence in the series itself even through flashbacks, and only appears in Histories & Lore.
Edited by WatTambor on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:50:46 PM
For now, no. I plan to propose candidates from Game of Thrones: Ascent, but that won't happen soon, because the game has thousands of short quests, so you can swap it tomorrow.
It's been three days since I proposed cutting
the quartet of Catlyn, Maria, Nelson, and James from Tales of Halloween. (I'm assuming the three-day voting period applies here, right?)
The final score
was:
- 10 votes to cut and/or keep our individuality rules unchanged,
- 6 votes to keep and/or change our individuality rules to allow groups of four,
- 3 neutral or abstaining votes.
Since a candidate needs five more keep votes than cut votes to stay up, I guess we'll be cutting this quartet.
Otherwise known as SolemnStormcloud.I need to dispute an example.
- Orden Ogan: The eponymous AI of "In the Dawn of the AI" who essentially serves as the antagonist of Final Days. After gaining sentience, it considers itself as "the superior lifeform" and thus dedicates itself to extinguishing humanity. Initially, it turns the nations of the world against each other with "deepfaked" propaganda and subliminal brainwashing before finally sparking a global nuclear war that ends the world as we know it.
It's not sufficiently clear that the AI in question actually is the sole antagonist of Final Days. Based on statements by the band when they released the Cut Song "December" as a single, Final Days isn't a Concept Album telling a single story, it's a themed album telling various versions of The End of the World as We Know It: in "December", it's a bioweapon released from a lab to avert an Overpopulation Crisis,note while the video for "Inferno" depicts Flying Saucers conducting an Orbital Bombardment and the lyrics describe a revolution against a corrupt society. Also, an AI is portrayed sympathetically a la Robots Are People Too in "Heart of the Android".
Edited by StarSword on Jan 29th 2023 at 11:38:36 AM
Trust me, I'm an engineer!- King Maegor I Targaryen, aka "Maegor the Cruel", is one of the most brutal rulers to ever sit on the Iron Throne. Usurping his own nephew and then killing him in battle, Maegor would go on to usher in a reign of callous tyranny. His many atrocities include executing anyone who expresses an opinion he doesn't like; burning down a Sept with many people inside; starting a campaign across the Riverlands, the Westerlands, and the Reach which claims the lives of thousands of innocent people for him to collect their skulls and pass off as members of the Faith Militant; forcibly marrying three women who had been widowed because of the wars he had waged; executing his second wife and every single member of her family when she gives birth to a deformed and stillborn baby; slaughtering all the builders who had constructed the Red Keep to keep its secret passages for himself and, allegedly, having a hidden dungeon to brutally torture prisoners. Maegor's actions ravage the realm so badly, that his cruelty would be remembered even hundreds of years after his death.
Writeups look good and here's my own Jacob:
- Fright Night, by NOW Comics' Issues 16-19 ("Potion Motion" to "Daddy's Girl"): Jacob Hinnault, the allegedly kind father of Charley Brewster's girlfriend Natalia, is secretly the vampiric leader of the Legion of Eternal Night. Reviving Jerry Dandridge, Jacob plots to use the mighty elder vampire to conquer the planet and reduce all of humanity to livestock. Killing any vampires who oppose his caste system, even having the heroes wipe out a group of dissidents, Jacob later attempts to kill his own sister and have Jerry turn Natalia for his army.

Cut the Quarlet and Rekka (it doesn’t help that Simure has committed similar crimes but in a longer period of time, thus accumulating a higher body count)
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