Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
43s idea works. Does that mean Monster.Night Huntress should be reordered?
My want for consistency is more so we don't have to have this talk once every couple months more than personal opinion. My suggestion's worked as a format for MB to no question and I'll leave it there.
I'd also like to rewrite my Clive Barker's Jericho entry so it flows better with the above keeper:
- The disgusting, bloated Governor Cassus Vicus is an utterly depraved hedonist banished by Caligula himself to the remote Al-Khali for practicing cannibalism. Offered immortality by the Firstborn in a realm away from reality in return for helping it conquer all of God's creation, Vicus happily agreed in order to indulge himself for thousands of years. Keeping his realm as nauseating as himself, Vicus keeps his immortal citizens in constant torment: decorating his palace with their body parts and skinned corpses and allowing his demonic minions to attack them as they please. Devoted to his own worship above all else, Vicus stands out in the dark setting alongside Lichthammer as one of the Firstborn's most vile lieutenants.
Suggested:
- Governor Cassus Vicus was once a hedonistic Roman aristocrat, banished by Caligula himself to the remote All-Khali for practicing cannibalism. His domain absorbed by the Firstborn in its attempts to break into reality, Vicus is thrilled at the chance to join the warped hellscape, spending millennia having his own immortal subjects crucified and torn apart by monsters to slake his sadistic appetites. Confronted by the Jericho squad as he tries to help his master bring the whole world into their eldritch space, Vicus wishes for nothing more than to take all the prisoners he can to add to his collection of tormented souls he may torment forever as a testament to his worship of debauchery and implies his wish to rape the entire squad while combating them.
Thoughts?
Edited by 43110 on Jan 12th 2023 at 10:35:26 AM
Works.
Also, Almeida:
- The Woman Called Fujiko Mine: Count Luis Yu Almeida, head of Glaucus Pharmaceuticals, spent the Cold War conducting cruel experimentation, violating the minds and bodies of his victims. Convincing his colleagues to give their daughter Aisha for his research, Almeida murdered said colleagues and began tormenting Aisha by implanting the memories of his other victims into her mind. Driven completely insane by present time, Aisha continues the deceased Almeida's work by kidnapping people and brainwashing them to a cult-like devotion as they are used to keep the experiments going. Theorized by Lupin to be driven to create the perfect slave, Almeida's evil lives long after him, far worse even than any of the criminals who compose the main cast.
EDIT: And, with potholes:
- Governor Cassus Vicus was once a bloated, hedonistic Roman aristocrat, banished by Caligula himself to the remote All-Khali for practicing cannibalism. His domain absorbed by the Firstborn in its attempts to break into reality, Vicus is thrilled at the chance to join the warped hellscape, spending millennia having his own immortal subjects crucified and torn apart by monsters to slake his sadistic appetites. Confronted by the Jericho squad as he tries to help his master bring the whole world into their eldritch space, Vicus wishes for nothing more than to take all the prisoners he can to add to his collection of souls he may torment forever as a testament to his worship of debauchery, and implies his wish to rape the entire squad while combating them.
Edited by ACW on Jan 12th 2023 at 12:21:13 PM
Rewrite works 43
Btw is the 2 week wait on every form of work? Say there's a bit of literature but it's not from a "mainstream" author, a Fan Work or an Indie project, do we still do the wait then?
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!Oh right forgot to update you guys. Stranger of Paradise's first two DLC's came out. I think its bad guy Nil is a keeper here but me and Polar waiting on her (the Lufenian leader) as well as the collaborator till the last one comes out.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."While we're on the subject of order, it always seemed weird to me that the guy potholed as Big Bad on Tokyo Ghoul is at the bottom of the list. I haven't read the manga but it seems weird to have him at the bottom.
And see, that's a good example of what I'm talking about: The Big Bad (I'm guessing?), but introduced late.
Thought Tokyo Ghoul is actually a Big Bad Ensemble?
Furuta is the last man standing but the work doesnt really have one main villain so much as a few (Eto Yoshimura, Rize, Furuta, and Dr. Kanou)
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."He's the "main villain" insofar as he's the "biggest bad guy" and the one whose death happens at the climax and concludes the plot. He's not behind every little thing and unless I'm mistaken Big Bad has some give in its definition so I do believe he qualifies but the order there seems to be a strange mix of by introduction or when someone decided a character is "important" enough to go at the top (Washuu). It's one I think could benefit greatly from a consistent ruling.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
And the other Big Bad (Eto) is more Magnificent Bitch than this. Tsuneyoshi is more of a Greater-Scope Villain since Kankei never comes into direct conflict with him.
Edited by MasterN on Jan 12th 2023 at 10:34:10 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.I noticed on Video Games: 0 to F that under BlazBlue for Yuki Terumi's entry there's a pothole for Evil God, but that's just a redirect to God Is Evil and reading his character page he doesn't seem to be THE God for God Is Evil, so anyone who's played the games have a good pothole for him?
"We'll meet again" | 🏳️⚧️Either Satanic Archetype or Jerkass Gods would work?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."I changed it to Satanic Archetype. Looking at his character page and such, that seems quite appropriate.
I saw on Monster Quotes this was added
Dr. Arthur Watts: That is what I wanted people to think; you're right. However, I've heard things about you, too, Jacque. Namely, that you have an Ironwood problem.
Jacques: That bastard is costing me more money everyday with this embargo! I'd lay off every employee in Mantle if I wasn't trying to get their damn votes for this Council seat!
Watts: What if I said you can have your cake... and eat it, too?
—>— RWBY, Volume 7, Chapter 4, "Pomp and Circumstance"
While I do agree this quote does show Jacques and Watts being dicks I don't think it's bad enough for CM, anyone mind if I cut it?
"We'll meet again" | 🏳️⚧️Actually checking the history for the page I see RWB Yraikou 888 added a couple quotes and I'm also not sure they're bad enough
Jotaro Kujo: Bastard... You took their souls!
Telence T. D'Arby: Obviously, as making dolls is my hobby. But, of course, ordinary doll makers cannot imbue their handiwork with human souls. I suppose I may be giving too much away, but that's my Stand's ability. Comparatively, my brother's collection of simple coins made of souls is rather... uninspired. With my collection, you can play dress-up, and have actual chats!
Joseph Joestar: You're just as messed up in the head as your brother! Actually, you're more sadistic than your brother ever was! I'd hate to see what your parents were like!
Kakyoin: I'm out of patience with this sociopath's puppet show. He makes me sick!
Like the Jojo quote maybe, but the Courage ones I'm not feeling
"We'll meet again" | 🏳️⚧️

I like that
HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA