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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

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While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

Mediawatcher Since: Dec, 2015
#2676: Jan 11th 2023 at 6:36:11 AM

Cut Silas

Some bad news came up, my grandma passed away today

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#2677: Jan 11th 2023 at 6:44:13 AM

I'm terribly sorry to hear that, Media. All the best to you and yours.

I'm gonna abstain from Silas for now, but I'm gonna be thinking it over.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#2678: Jan 11th 2023 at 6:44:57 AM

Serious condolences.

I'm gonna say I'm not sure for Silas...I'm not sure I can consider it "genuine gratitude" in a redeeming quality, because it is seriously self serving. She's putting him out of his misery and he really wants to die

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#2679: Jan 11th 2023 at 6:54:37 AM

[up] From the sounds of it, he thanks her after she puts him out of his misery and he is already dying. At this point, he wouldn't gain anything from thanking her and the only interpretation for me is that he feels genuine gratitude. It's not like he is thanking her to convince her to kill him and end his misery.

Also, he could have simply passed away without bothering to thank her, which is what makes me further believe it's mitigating.

Really sorry for your grandma, Media!

Edited by WatTambor on Jan 11th 2023 at 5:57:35 PM

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#2680: Jan 11th 2023 at 6:54:49 AM

[up][up] Honestly, that's kinda why I can't say it was redeeming quality. In the end, it felt he was glad to be free from HIS suffering rather than actually regretting anything else he did. Plus, as you said, it comes across as self serving. I personally say keep him.

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Jan 11th 2023 at 6:55:07 AM

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2681: Jan 11th 2023 at 6:58:19 AM

Severe condolences Media, hope you and your family see through it.

What's making me unsure though is that he's shown to be an Ungrateful Bastard and a half with something that benefitted him (link to him wiping out MECH).

Edited by WetFlannels on Jan 11th 2023 at 3:05:41 PM

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#2682: Jan 11th 2023 at 7:36:56 AM

Doesn't sound mitigating in my opinion.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#2683: Jan 11th 2023 at 7:57:00 AM

I'm inclined to keep Silas, since it's entirely self-serving to me, but it is a weird one

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#2684: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:03:13 AM

Keep Silas, it is weird but it seems his mind has been screved up from torture he completely brought upon himself.

My condolences Media.

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2685: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:05:47 AM

Yeah it's an unusual one because he's being genuine IMO but it's for something for himself. Idk what to personally think overall.

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Bye
#2686: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:47:34 AM

Cut Blue Bloods duo and keep Silas.

My condolences, Media.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#2687: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:57:12 AM

Sorry Media sad

Blue Bloods ones seem like cuts.

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2688: Jan 11th 2023 at 9:05:29 AM

When making a page do we take quotes to the designated threads?

Because I think I've got a possible replacement for the Doom page.

Humans... is there anything more pathetic? A parasite on creation. The plague of the universe. We should've wiped you from existence when we had the chance. A mistake which won't be repeated. We've waited millennia to reclaim what's rightfully ours, Joan. And thanks to you, we now know the way back. Prepare yourselves, my children... The annihilation of the human race is upon us!
Stanga, Doom: Annihilation

Edited by WetFlannels on Jan 11th 2023 at 5:15:56 PM

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#2689: Jan 11th 2023 at 9:07:17 AM

I think I like the current one better, but I don't hate that one. Who's it from?

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2690: Jan 11th 2023 at 9:10:35 AM

Shit should've mentioned it's from Stanga.

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
CaptainPinkiePie from Equestria with love Since: Mar, 2019 Relationship Status: Brony
#2691: Jan 11th 2023 at 10:27:14 AM

Keep Silas. Even if his gratitude to Airachnid was genuine, it's only because he was being put out of HIS misery.

Captain Pinkie Pie! Nah, just Pinkie Pie.
Fidor Since: Aug, 2022
#2692: Jan 11th 2023 at 10:35:43 AM

Edited by Fidor on Jan 11th 2023 at 10:00:14 PM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#2693: Jan 11th 2023 at 10:56:48 AM

[up]Two things before I read it. A—What's this from? and B—Are you suggesting it? I ask because we're not approving/proposing right now—at least not until 1/16.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jan 11th 2023 at 10:57:36 AM

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#2694: Jan 11th 2023 at 10:59:00 AM

We're not actually opening the approval thread till Monday, and also we need some more context, like what work he's from

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Amanofmanyinterests Gotta love Jaws! Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#2697: Jan 11th 2023 at 12:18:26 PM

That Stanga quote looks good.

Sorry about what happened, Media.

Eh, good enough.
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#2698: Jan 11th 2023 at 12:22:59 PM

My Condolences Media

I think I’m voting to keep Silas. It’s only just a few words and it entirely self serving (it’s not like Silas is thanking her for saving a loved one). It helps that the scene isn’t portrayed as an Alas, Poor Villain moment where there’s sad musics when he dies.

Edited by G-Editor on Jan 11th 2023 at 10:54:02 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#2699: Jan 11th 2023 at 12:26:13 PM

Stanga quote works for the main page, but I think I like Pierce's quote for the Doom page.

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend

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