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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#251: May 12th 2023 at 7:05:32 AM

He's clearly against collecting Celestial bills. tongue

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#252: May 12th 2023 at 1:57:35 PM

I don't know if I'd exactly call Quill a Decoy Protagonist. The movie never really pretends that it's about him. He gets a major subplot, but from very early on we learn and understand that this film is Rocket's story.

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#253: May 12th 2023 at 5:24:31 PM

Would you classify this movie as an MCU or James Gunn film?

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DavidMerrick from Ottawa, ON Since: Jun, 2018
#254: May 12th 2023 at 5:31:03 PM

Technically the former, realistically the latter. It really feels like the usual forces that keep MCU entries consistent, sanitized and formulaic just did not have any power over Gunn here.

Honestly, it feels like a proper MOVIE and not part of some larger franchise (save of course the earlier Guardians flicks).

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#255: May 12th 2023 at 5:44:01 PM

Its an MCU film in the MCU written and directed by James Gunn, which follows up on threads from previous MCU films.

I don't get this dichotomy. It makes no sense.

It feels designed to let people like Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 and keep up doomsaying about the MCU at the same time.

Edited by Bocaj on May 12th 2023 at 8:44:29 AM

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#256: May 12th 2023 at 6:59:59 PM

[up] I think it's completely understandable. No Kang, no crossovers, no multiverse in this entry that's ostensibly part of the "Multiverse Saga".

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#257: May 12th 2023 at 7:15:34 PM

There are MCU movies that don't tie into the arc plot.

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#258: May 12th 2023 at 7:51:49 PM

Man I just realized all of HE's outing outside the comics he's all villains lmao. One time X-Men episode? Villain (that barely did anything). Spider-Man Unlimited? Villain. And now this. I remember him leading Quicksilver's team.

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#259: May 12th 2023 at 8:26:08 PM

Yeah the whole 'James Gunn movie, not an MCU movie' feels like when the Mandalorian came out back in 2019 and people were making things up to make the Mandalorian feel separate from Disney Star Wars to continue doom saying about it.

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#260: May 12th 2023 at 8:28:26 PM

That was before Mand Season 3 "Ruined everything" too...

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#261: May 12th 2023 at 11:35:57 PM

"I don't get this dichotomy. It makes no sense. "

I think it means that MCU often have this homogenious feel you can get between movies, sure you can get specific things here and there like wheedonism in phase 1 and 2 or some stuff you see the russos but guardians feel more like is place were he dosent have to conect to broad MCU.

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#262: May 13th 2023 at 6:46:45 AM

30 years from now, I think the visual effects in this movie are going to hold up a lot better than the visual effects in other MCU movies. Because of the fact that there's a heavier reliance on practical effects, prosthetics, and physical sets than on CGI. Like, they used a record 23,000 prosthetics across more than 1,000 actors.

That's probably a big reason why the High Evolutionary's mutilated face will be something that gives me nightmares for years. (And this behind the scenes photo shows us how these effects were accomplished.)

Edited by dmcreif on May 13th 2023 at 10:02:47 AM

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#263: May 13th 2023 at 8:22:57 AM

This might just be me but the High Evolutionary's face looked really cheep to me rather then scary or gross and I have no idea why. I'm sure a lot of work went into it and I congratulate them for it, but it just didn't work for me. That said that could just be me, as everyone else I know is impressed by it, and maybe they will work better when I see it at home.

Edited by Bullman on May 13th 2023 at 11:30:40 AM

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#264: May 13th 2023 at 10:55:46 AM

Id say this movie still is connected to the broader MCU. If you went from GOTG 2 to 3 without seeing any of the others you would be a bit confused why Gamora was dead.

Being disconnected from the multiverse or Kang storyline is not exactly unique to this Film either. Eternals and Wakanda Forever were also both relatively self-contained.

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#265: May 13th 2023 at 11:20:36 AM

And also it'd be strange to go straight from 2 to 3 since Thanos somehow died and Nebula is a lot friendlier than she used to be.

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#266: May 13th 2023 at 11:35:45 AM

[up] Absolutely. Infinity War/Endgame is pretty much required viewing to understand Peter, Gamora, and Nebula’s character arcs in this movie.

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#267: May 13th 2023 at 11:51:23 AM

And Infinite War/Endgame has everything from Phases 1-3 as required viewing for them. And Love and Thunder is technically required for Vol. 3 to explain where Thor went between Endgame and V3.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#268: May 13th 2023 at 11:57:48 AM

I was amused there was literally no reference to L&T in the whole film that I recall. The Thor image in the credits coming from Infinity War.

It didn't explicitly Canon Discontinuity it or anything but there was still a lack.

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#270: May 13th 2023 at 12:37:01 PM

Yeah that was just something the Russos did at random on their way out. It could have been a interesting story but it's not surprising their follow up films didn't bother with it.

LucienRen Since: Jan, 2023
#271: May 13th 2023 at 12:46:54 PM

Thor was basically the in-universe Scrappy, where the main gang makes sure not to mention him again.

Edited by LucienRen on May 13th 2023 at 12:47:25 PM

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#272: May 13th 2023 at 12:48:43 PM

Understandable since Thor acted like an obnoxious unlikable asshole

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LucienRen Since: Jan, 2023
#273: May 13th 2023 at 12:53:34 PM

The thor in the fourth movie was the worst of all.

Taika Waititi can make a bunch of Nazis and vampires lovable characters, but with Thor, he makes sure to make him an unlikable Asshole.

Edited by LucienRen on May 13th 2023 at 1:00:48 AM

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#274: May 13th 2023 at 2:58:34 PM

I don't see why we should consider this movie disconnected from the MCU just because people liked it and it has become trendy not to like the MCU. Sure, it lacked an interdimensional threat which has become frequent nowadays, but so did Wakanda Forever. And Guardians of the Galaxy 2 did not have a lot of connections with the rest of the MCU either anyway.

Also, it's not because no connection is evident now that it won't be at some point in the future. Ant-Man and the Wasp was mostly self-contained, but it seeded the resolution of Endgame.

By the way, is the High Evolutionary supposed to be dead? Sure, the last we see of him is on an exploding spaceship, but I don't think we see saw him actually dying...

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#275: May 13th 2023 at 3:09:11 PM

I don't see why we should consider this movie disconnected from the MCU just because people liked it and it has become trendy not to like the MCU.

It's hardly fair to dismiss the ongoing backlash towards the MCU as being completely "trendy" when there's a significant amount of fair criticism to make towards the post-Endgame slate. I don't deny that a lot of the hate gets pretty forced and stupid but it's more than just "trendy".

As far as connection or disconnection from the rest of the MCU, I think that's a bad angle to view it from. I loved Vol. 3, and part of why I enjoyed it more than most previous MCU films is because it...kinda felt less like the "stereotypical" MCU film, if that makes sense? Now, when I say "the stereotypical MCU film", I'm not saying every single MCU film follows this or that this has been a long problem before Endgame or Infinity War or whatever. What I'm saying is that there's a pretty same-y feeling to a lot of the previous MCU films I've seen that Vol. 3 doesn't really fall into.


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