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Sturgeon's Law is defined as "90% of anything is bad". It's not In-Universe Examples Only, and is therefore used as an Audience Reaction. Despite this, it's not labeled as YMMV, and is wicked around the site as if it were an objective statement. This leads to tropers complaining. According to the wick check, most examples are like this.

Solution: Probably should be made Flame Bait.

Wick check:

Sturgeon's Law is linked to around the wiki as it were an objective fact, despite clearly being subjective.

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    Subjective statement pretending to be objective 43/ 50 

    In-universe examples 7/ 50 
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 6th 2022 at 11:16:29 AM

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#1: Oct 13th 2022 at 10:47:46 AM

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NOTE: The following OP was written by nw09. Please give credit to them.


Sturgeon's Law is defined as "90% of anything is bad". It's not In-Universe Examples Only, and is therefore used as an Audience Reaction. Despite this, it's not labeled as YMMV, and is wicked around the site as if it were an objective statement. This leads to tropers complaining. According to the wick check, most examples are like this.

Solution: Probably should be made Flame Bait.

Wick check:

Sturgeon's Law is linked to around the wiki as it were an objective fact, despite clearly being subjective.

50/50

    Subjective statement pretending to be objective 43/ 50 

    In-universe examples 7/ 50 
Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Party Members

Pathfinder: Kingmaker Party Members

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 6th 2022 at 11:16:29 AM

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#12: Oct 13th 2022 at 1:12:42 PM

I don't think that this page/concept needs to be labeled Flame Bait.

This edit is the reason the page was on Example Sectionectomy when that policy got resorted out, so it was never officially added to Definition-Only Pages.

I think that moving it from NOPE to DO and cleaning up the general/irrelevant potholes should fix most of the issue. The wick check doesn't show a problem with complaining, it shows a problem with the page being used as a Pothole Magnet. A problem that is already fairly reduced when you subtract the 1600 wicks from the recommendations subpages.

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#13: Oct 13th 2022 at 1:16:19 PM

[up] Actually that's reasonable.

If we remove the first sentence from Template Page For New Fandom Recommendations and all Fanfic Recommendations, the wick check would already tip a bit, since it's half of the "Subjective" examples.

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#14: Oct 13th 2022 at 3:05:05 PM

Making it definition-only is an improvement regardless of whether it's moved out of Main, and if making it IUEO wouldn't work (in contrast to how it went well for Pet-Peeve Trope, which was another page listed on NOPE instead of DO; the latter was my first choice, but the wick check found a better solution with IUEO).

Edit: Also, I previously made Murphy's Law a definition-only page earlier this year, but it was originally a disambiguation page instead of a Sectionectomied trope, despite how much non-disambiguation text was on it even before I worked on it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 13th 2022 at 5:09:53 AM

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#15: Oct 13th 2022 at 4:29:26 PM

I support DO for the aforementioned reasons. Maybe I'm biased towards the header for Fanfic Recs, but if the problem is mostly being a pothole magnet, then flame bait probably isn't necessary.

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#22: Oct 14th 2022 at 5:21:23 AM

Whenever it's time for a crowner, Flame Bait and Audience Reactions would be options alongside making it definition-only. Those two would be mutually exclusive with each other, but either one could be done alongside making it definition-only.

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#23: Oct 16th 2022 at 9:54:21 AM

Hooked a crowner for whether to make it definition-only, and if so, whether it's made YMMV or Flame Bait.

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#24: Oct 16th 2022 at 11:36:35 AM

EDIT: NVM, somebody already said that.

Edited by StarSword on Oct 16th 2022 at 2:37:13 PM

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#25: Oct 16th 2022 at 11:39:33 AM

Can I make an alternate suggestion? Since we do have a minority of In-Universe examples, could we make it In-Universe Examples Only?

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