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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#201: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:51:32 PM

I mean, for a solution to the threads, maybe it's a good idea to just stop proposing new CM and MB for X amount of time and get the thread back to its original purpose, cleaning up existing entries.

I think reservations should be gone, replace it with TRS queue, and allow other tropers to help with the EP like other tropers can help with wick checks. This would remove some of the possessiveness and also get rid of the "you can't do that character because Troper Y already claimed them".

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#202: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:51:38 PM

Plus we still remove any examples that aren't approved and vet them (to keep or cut). So its not like that part is gone.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#203: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:52:27 PM

Agree with lightys suggestion

Also people reserwing the work it is less the thinking there would be keeper and more asking if they could if they could check

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#204: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:52:28 PM

Just check out Former Complete Monsters and Former Magnificent Bastards

And those don’t even count the unapproved examples we zap all the time

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#205: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:52:28 PM

I mean, there's not much to clean up anymore.

Also, again, what is this TRS queue?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#206: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:52:55 PM

Not in for a TRS queue here. I don't think that's a good thought. Limit the number of reservations, limit when they can be reserved and that I think is a good idea that'll cut down issues.

And time limits, yes. I'm proposing one week after reservation time save unless it's a big work, like Elden Ring that demands WAY more brainpower.

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#207: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:53:03 PM

@ACW TRS Queue.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Oct 7th 2022 at 5:53:10 AM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#208: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:53:03 PM

They allow users to assist in reservations. So not so much ownership IMO.

Edited by AustinDR on Oct 7th 2022 at 2:53:27 AM

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#209: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:53:10 PM

Im with Lighty on the reservation system.

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Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#210: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:54:15 PM

The threads have cut plenty of bad examples, the threads have shot down plenty of examples that don't fit the criteria, users are generally open when a "reserved" work doesn't have anyone who fits the criteria...these accusations of "wonking" and "looking for patterns" to force characters into a trope on a hobby thread are not helping the conversation.

Edited by Ravok on Oct 7th 2022 at 2:54:58 AM

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BillyPeepers92 Since: Jun, 2021
#211: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:54:16 PM

I agree with Lighty's idea on the reservation system.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#212: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:54:44 PM

@Hello: It’s hard to focus on cutting examples when we’ve already mass-purged stuff and continue to cut bad examples already. We largely just add new examples because the clearly wrong stuff is already gone

Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
#213: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:54:51 PM

The initial cleanup of non-keepers was successful on that mark, with the vast majority of misuse or poor examples scrubbed.

Edited by Snowy66 on Oct 7th 2022 at 2:55:23 AM

Orbiting Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#214: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:54:55 PM

I agree with laserviking42- the reservations give the air of 'I love (or expect to love) this work, so I will give it a CM/MB entry". It's also hard to believe the thread will be unbiased when its regulars reserving works written by other regulars.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#215: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:54:58 PM

My idea on that, formalize it:

  • Time limits on resverations. When a work is released, if it's a movie, a book, a TV episode, podcast, etc? You've got a week to get to it, or it's gone. Maybe some leeway with something like a game.
  • A work can only be reserved two weeks in advance.
  • We can discuss more on how many reservations can be taken, but also more of an open process to works with multiple examples as not to allow just one individual to do them all.

I agree with laserviking42- the reservations give the air of 'I love (or expect to love) this work, so I will give it a CM/MB entry". It's also hard to believe the thread will be unbiased when its regulars reserving works written by other regulars.

I'm sorry, but I don't see this as remotely accurate. It's merely an intent to say to the thread if it has one or not.

Saying "I reserve the new Marvel film" doesn't say you think it'll have a CM, just that you want to handle discussion in case it does. Nothing more, nothing less.

Edited by Lightysnake on Oct 7th 2022 at 2:56:08 AM

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#216: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:55:18 PM

Even the phrase "hobby thread" makes me raise an eyebrow, tbh.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#217: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:55:35 PM

Im also for ligthy’ time limit

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#218: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:55:55 PM

Yeah, time limit sounds reasonable.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#219: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:56:10 PM

the reservations give the air of 'I love (or expect to love) this work, so I will give it a CM/MB entry". It's also hard to believe the thread will be unbiased when its regulars reserving works written by other regulars.

This isn't true. Plenty of times people will say the work had nothing. Or that we're instead cutting an existing example.

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Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
#220: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:56:47 PM

Isn't this whole site in general a hobby? It's certainly not an actual job, other than maybe the techs running the servers.

Edited by Snowy66 on Oct 7th 2022 at 2:58:19 AM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#221: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:56:49 PM

TVT is, by definition, a hobby site meant for tropes about fiction (in general). Threads on that site would also be a hobby. No one is being forced to participate in something meant for fun, ergo..."hobby" applies.

Cool with Lighty's reservation idea.

Edited by Ravok on Oct 7th 2022 at 2:57:09 AM

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#222: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:56:50 PM

And there are instances of tropers collaborating on the work.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#223: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:57:17 PM

Lighty: Is that 2 weeks before release? So, basically, you could reserve a work for discussion in 4 weeks (assuming we're still keeping the 2-week rule after release)?

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#224: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:57:57 PM

Editing the wiki as a hobby is one thing, being constantly on the hunt for CM and MB examples, to the exclusion of any other wiki activity is something else entirely.

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PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#225: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:58:24 PM

I do feel the attitude needs to be more “no one counts, oh well” and less “sadly, no one counts”.


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