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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1951: Oct 10th 2022 at 10:39:53 AM

I’m not saying it can’t be cleaned up, but the only major concern I have with just making it fair game is that most “unapproved” edits that aren’t just rephrasings are people blowing it up like a balloon until it’s a wall of text.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#1952: Oct 10th 2022 at 10:41:48 AM

Sure, and that, like any other, can be brought to the cleanup version of the thread to see about trimming the entry back down. CM isn't the only trope that sort of thing happens on, and fixing it is pretty routine.

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papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#1953: Oct 10th 2022 at 10:42:05 AM

I think it would be useful to link to the proposal in the edit reasons when adding to the YMMV instead of linking just to the thread like we do now.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#1954: Oct 10th 2022 at 10:42:45 AM

Yeah. I think the Nightmare fuel thread has also had to do that a couple of times. Where people balloned stuff they rewrote. So they refixed it back.

Edited by miraculous on Oct 10th 2022 at 10:44:08 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#1955: Oct 10th 2022 at 10:45:28 AM

[up][up] I think we're planning to put the proposal in a note like IP does, actually

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1956: Oct 10th 2022 at 10:45:57 AM

Basically, I personally think that whole on rewrites (so mass expansions, trimmings, and ground-up rewrites) should still be curated, but anything else (SPAG, spoiler tags, rewordings) would be fair game for anyone. That’s just my thoughts.

[up] the consensus there was in the edit reasons, actually. The only concern there was finding the edit, but ctrl+F easily does that

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Oct 10th 2022 at 2:17:10 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#1957: Oct 10th 2022 at 10:58:04 AM

SPAG??

Anyway, it's not a site rule that YMMV and the entry on the CM page don't have to match? That's news to me. I always try and make sure they do (with a few possible minor exceptions if appropriate, but those are rare).

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#1958: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:02:16 AM

Selling and Grammar.

Edit : Spelling and Grammar. Why did I put Selling?

Edited by miraculous on Oct 10th 2022 at 11:04:46 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#1959: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:06:15 AM

[up] Wikipedia requires you to disclose if you're being paid to edit it. We don't, as far as I know.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 10th 2022 at 1:06:36 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#1960: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:08:55 AM

Man, that'd be a sweet gig [lol]

EDIT: Question: Whenever things get started again, what happens to the current approved-but-not-yet-written-up entries? Would those need to be reevaluated?

Edited by ACW on Oct 10th 2022 at 2:12:33 PM

ShootingStar7X Is semi-retired! Since: Dec, 2017
Is semi-retired!
#1961: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:12:58 AM

@STARCRUSHER99

Would correcting factual errors have to be curated, as well?

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EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#1962: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:13:26 AM

Agree that at last rewrites should still be curated throgh threads

[up] I think it should

Edited by EmperorGeode on Oct 10th 2022 at 11:14:24 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#1963: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:13:32 AM

We can make those the first new entries on the thread.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#1964: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:15:29 AM

@Star, I feel we should simply write them up

[down] I do feel it’s for best

Edited by EmperorGeode on Oct 10th 2022 at 11:49:34 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#1965: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:47:03 AM

I think ANY change should go through the thread, if only so the entry itself can match the YMMV.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#1966: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:50:29 AM

There's a difference between them saying "hey, xuz is wrong, I changed it on YMMV can someone run it through locked" and asking someone to come to the thread just to say "xyz is wrong can i fix it on an unlocked page" and the latter feels like it's contributing to the general "only the beautiful elite can contribute" feeling we're trying to address

Edited by Libraryseraph on Oct 10th 2022 at 2:51:04 PM

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#1967: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:50:41 AM

Noting minor changes(like spelling/grammar) seems fine, but it doesn't need to go through the thread if it's not a major rewrite. It's good to let us know, though, if only other information we may want to add to the other versions of the entry, where applicable.

Remember, while we're a cleanup thread, we're trying to avoid ownership issues here. And "any entry rewritten needs to go through us" regardless of the context is getting a bit too close to ownership problems.

Shadow?
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#1968: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:52:51 AM

Wait, does this mean all the Monster pages are gonna be unlocked? If not, how will changes take place there if they're not mentioned in the thread?

Or am I missing something?

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1969: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:55:07 AM

We’re strictly talking about YMMV right now. Those pages aren’t getting unlocked.

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#1970: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:58:42 AM

I agree that people shouldn't have to play 'Mother May I?' with the thread just to correct minor spelling/grammar mistakes or remove potholes to defunct tropes on unlocked pages. Altering the actual content of the entry? Sure, talk to the thread before doing that.

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Barb / Temporary Kylo
#1971: Oct 10th 2022 at 12:02:32 PM

That seems fair

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#1973: Oct 10th 2022 at 12:08:46 PM

I'm fine with that, as long as when people make the changes they also request the changes at the locked pages thread.

SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1974: Oct 10th 2022 at 12:12:34 PM

Typo fixes and wick cleanup do not need discussion unless the moderators in the locked pages thread explicitly say otherwise. That's not changing.

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#1975: Oct 10th 2022 at 12:13:09 PM

That's fine, but shouldn't those changes still be requested at the locked pages thread so that said changes can be made?


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