@ Library: I mean, you can downvote for reasons that aren't about personal taste still... you don't have to approve a character who legit doesn't fit, but yes, it is (or at least should be) against the rules to vote to cut content just because that content upsets you in some way. Like... Obviously it's not ideal, but... thems the rules.
For example, the Memetic Mutation cleanup often comes across politically charged memes or memes from a hatedom of the work in question, and many don't like these things, but in all cases it's been ruled that as long as these things are legitimately memes then they stay.
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 9th 2022 at 9:26:56 AM
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallAt the end of the day, if this is the line we wanna draw? I'm tired of arguing about figuring "what is or isn't tasteless schlock and banning it from discussion for that" as a topic, here. If someone is so desperate to discuss a shitty character from a shitty story with a premise like "Stitch molests Lilo" and wants to discuss it? Fine, they can go for it. If any thread user has an issue the work can be discussed on Content Policy if it's allowed to even be listed on the site, and if it is? Then ok, the character can be listed, shitty, edgy garbage it may come from.
Now, if a mod, with the hat on, explicitly spells out the threads don't have to entertain things like that? I'll be the first to gleefully adhere to that ruling and shut down discussion on "rapist Bob the Builder." But until then, I think this is ultimately a case of simply falling in line with the rest of the site to make this process as simple, smooth as possible. I can dislike the idea and thought of discussing "blood drinking Dora the Explorer" all I want, but it makes logical sense by the site's rulings to just let those examples come through, question if they abide by site policy—not thread "policy"—and go from there.
Edited by Ravok on Oct 9th 2022 at 6:29:00 AM
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!Technically we aren't allowed to downvote stuff because "the work is trash/racist" because that's still voting with an agenda, votes still need to be based on the validity of the candidate even if the work is terrible. We can abstain and not participate in the discussion but downvoting on personal taste is not allowed
I mean, a pretty significant part of the original TRS is that the pages were filled with things like "rapist Twilight Sparkle". We have had recent mod interventions and addendums to the rules that came down on the side of the pre-existing "taste" ruling. I have no idea why this sudden 180 has happened, and I especially have no idea why a thread that was rightfully concerned about slowing down rate of new entries is suddenly concerned that our standards are too strict
HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIAYeah, I'll be frank: I'll likely be just staying out of discussion on candidates like that if they come through. I won't downvote if the character and work technically qualifies to be listed on the site, sure...but I will be using the "abstain" option plenty, and I'd encourage anyone else who feels similar about characters like "satanic blood ritual Baby Yoda" that come through to simply do the same and move on to discussion you care more about. If the character goes up, they go up, and until mods tell us with their mod authority that we can downvote for taste reasons, there's really nothing to be said.
Edited by Ravok on Oct 9th 2022 at 6:37:48 AM
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!Also, remember that the same people who said that the thread was "adding too much" are different people from the people who think that the thread is too exclusionary. It's a flip of the discourse for sure, but it's also different groups expressing these opinions.
And since the biggest issue was the thread's culture and cliquey-ness, then this discussion is a necessary step toward having the threads work with the rest of the wiki, not as a separate sub-project.
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 9th 2022 at 9:39:22 AM
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallRight, abstaining is a free action, you just can't downvote if the only issue is not liking the work.
Edit: A disclaimer... like a content warning?
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 9th 2022 at 9:41:34 AM
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallLike I just said, we'll use the abstain option. It's your friend. We don't have to participate in discussion on things we have no desire to, and while I would love for mods to tell us we can downvote on personal taste, until then? Abstain button and frankly just even ignoring the discussion on characters you find tasteless is the best bet.
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!I'm good for waiting on that for that particular discussion.
IMO, I do agree voting no based upon "it's trash" etc. to be very agenda-driven. That said, I can understand if the Mods feel it's fair to consider that a work that shouldn't be allowed to have one too. It's okay for the site to have standards. It's just not okay to try and apply them to voting in these cases. Special rules should be removed.
The reason I like the idea of "the fanwork is too far off from the original" is because it's not its own thing either, so it isn't just a work being kind of tasteless. It's a non-endorsed version of a work where people constantly try to villify character or make them more heroic for whatever reason. While this doesn't matter for licensed works, because they're still official, they're not exactly the same here. On the other hand, in a way, it shouldn't matter either because it's still a special standard. I can go either way on it, mind you. As long as the work's narrative etc. are fine, then a candidate would be logical to apply, like any other work.
I hope that makes sense to what I mean.
Shadow?Yeah we were also considering in this discussion removing the Ron the Death Eater rules and Fan Works having to be similar to the original setting rule. I don't think that had any opposition.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 9th 2022 at 6:43:38 AM

Yeah that is the main reason I brought it up. This mentality and rules, while it isn't the only cause, it is one the reasons why the CM thread has been so divided from the rest of the wiki and why that now needs to be fixed.