That works because this is specifically for an English-language wiki.
So now that that seems to be slowing down does anyone have any more opinions on this
discussion on Taseless works before Star's suggestion
gets added to the sandbox.
- Agree with the ongoing work reservation rule (and neutral on 2 weeks vs. solid date) but for the edge case of a web original that gets sporadic updates, do we need to write a special clause, or is it a non-issue? (For example, no one can just reserve the entire SCP Foundation, but claiming a fanfic is fine). Also, I do think if the person who claims season one gets first dibs on season two, they should still have to check-in in a reasonable amount of time that they intend to follow-through, if for no other reason than preventing an inactive from holding up a slot.
- As someone who only frequents MB, I don't care too much where the line is drawn for what works can have candidates (besides following the content policy, obviously), but I think it'd be a fair ask that particularly vile works get a disclaimer at the start of the proposal so people can opt out of having to read it.
- Any thoughts on my idea for Administrivia pages? (MB gets an Administrivia page similar to the CM one. Each page gets linked in their thread's pins. This makes the pinned messages shorter, allowing focus on the key points, and lets unregistered users know our criteria). It got covered up by other conversation, but the one response I did get on the matter was in favor. Just to be clear, I am totally willing to write the first draft for the new page, so long as people chip in to check for errors and such.
Edited by ANonagon9 on Oct 9th 2022 at 5:24:52 AM
I said my bit here
. It is mostly Fan fics that get the most flak with this.
Alright, I'm gonna add the stuff from here
and the post Ordeaux linked to to the page. In the meantime, since another discussion has run its course, how do these sound?
- Limit the amount of time before a work's release that the work may be reserved.
- Purpose: Prevent tropers from hoarding works years in advance, give newbies a chance to slide in to works they'd enjoy.
- General consensus: General agreement for reservations becoming possible once a specific release date is revealed. For a long-running work like a TV show or manga, if a troper reserves an installment, they get the first dibs at the next installment as long as they announce they're still following the work (so an inactive user doesn't hoard the reservation).
- Codify the length of time for which a reservation is still intact post-release.
- Purpose: Prevent an inactive user from hoarding a work, while still granting a user a grace period as long as they intend to get to it.
- General consensus: On the discussion day, the user who reserved the work must say something within 24 hours, whether that's to start the discussion or ask for an extension; if they ask for an extension, they have until the three week post-release date mark before the reservation becomes open.
- Exception: Massive works like an MMORPG may require a full month post-release to cover everything.
Since Star asked, I should probably explain why I vanished the last few pages... it's just that I'm not feeling well today and so my motivation to do much of anything is very low. I've been lurking and all so don't feel like I've decided to just up and ghost ya'll... if there's anything I feel the need to speak up about, I will.
I mean, if the page can have a work, it being shocky horror shouldn't even matter. What would is if they're way too generic(having not enough real characterization), that or things like a fanfiction massively writing the tone in a clearly bad way that takes it too far that clashes with the original work. That's of course YMMV if it does or not.
Fanfiction is a hard one to work with too for that reason. Whereas any other fiction goes more or less by its own personal story, instead of basically basing it upon a previously worked out world. It's difficult to figure the best way to handle it, but I get where people are coming from.
Keep in mind I'm of the opinion that "it being a fanwork of a show more aimed towards kids" isn't enough to disqualify it. But having clearly overly ridiculous tones and changes definitely matter too.
Shadow?We’d generally only need to put discretion on fics without pages. It’s likely they don’t have enough narrative substance to have a page in the first place. The only exceptions I can think of are:
- Well-known creepypastas with less than 1000 words
- Troper-made fics explicitly made with the one and only purpose of getting characters approved on the threads, like one clearly made to get as many CMs as possible out of a dating sim and an injoke about the voting policy.
Don’t know about more complex cases like Jeffrey Cuddletrousers from Hatred.
Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Oct 9th 2022 at 8:44:51 AM
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The Turner Diaries has a page and that work is a racist propaganda piece where the “heroic” racists start a nuclear war and commit genocide on non-whites. Even if that work had a character that fulfilled all qualifications of a CM I wouldn’t feel comfortable upvoting the candidate. Granted the odds of a clearly racist work having a page and a character who fulfils the criteria for a CM is very low but we still shouldn’t upvote a racist caricature just because the work has a page.
Why? Having a CM entry isn't an achievement or thing that makes a work better, it's just a recording of a thing that happens in it. I get why people wouldn't feel comfortable participating in voting for works like that and there's nothing wrong with abstaining, but why is bad to upvote a candidate from those works if they have a page on the wiki and fit the bill?
