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Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#1701: Oct 9th 2022 at 11:51:25 AM

Actually, if we're concerned about following wider wiki rules it could be "qualifies for a page under our prerelease rules"

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papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#1703: Oct 9th 2022 at 11:53:55 AM

I'm fine with the 2 week rule after for most forms of media. My only possible exception is an open world game because of people having to cover that while having their daily lives.

Edited by WetFlannels on Oct 9th 2022 at 7:54:08 PM

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EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#1704: Oct 9th 2022 at 11:56:07 AM

Also don’t feel we need any specific rules for fanfics

Edited by EmperorGeode on Oct 9th 2022 at 12:02:24 PM

LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#1705: Oct 9th 2022 at 11:56:37 AM

I think the reservation period should be as small as reasonably possible. 2 weeks in advance of the media's release seems solid.

Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
#1706: Oct 9th 2022 at 11:58:45 AM

I'm good with "needs a page" before any reservations done.

Actually that brings up another point that had crossed my mind. That whole mindset "we won't police pages for misinformation or hold the thread's standards anywhere else". If ever seeing something that's obviously wrong on a character page, change it/delete it rather than leave it to be someone else's problem.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#1707: Oct 9th 2022 at 11:58:48 AM

I'm not saying we should change the two week rule. I'm talking about if two weeks have passed since release but the troper hasn't said anything, how long do they keep the reservation? Like for an example it took quite a while for The Hornet to get an EP.

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Edited by papyru30 on Oct 9th 2022 at 1:02:42 PM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#1708: Oct 9th 2022 at 11:58:51 AM

My concern there is that once the work has a release date, people who want to reserve it are gonna wait until 12:00 AM specifically on the day it's possible to reserve it, and that'll cause a lot of people to try to do it at once. "Once the work has a release date" seems like a very reasonable metric for me.

[up][up] The thing is that some people don't feel like specifically creating pages for newer works, especially if they're relatively obscure, which is the only reason why I'm not onboard with that idea. I feel like "Once the work has a release date" is a metric that's far more manageable, consistent, and open, alongside not potentially leading to people dogpiling at once.

[up] I say once the discussion date hits, they have 24 hours to say something, whether that's beginning a discussion or asking for a time extension. At three weeks, the reservation becomes forfeit. The only exception I can think of is the giant MMORPG's that have sometimes come through (like Elden Ring, which is freaking massive), at which point I would say a month is when it becomes fair game for someone else.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Oct 9th 2022 at 3:01:53 PM

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#1709: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:01:07 PM

@Snowy, I don’t think That’s neccesary

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#1710: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:01:31 PM

No additional rules for fanfics IMO. Will think on the reservation times.

Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
#1711: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:04:07 PM

Well I mean that would only apply to big works that very obviously will get pages eventually. Obscure fanfictions are a different scenario.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#1712: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:05:33 PM

@Snowy That to me just feels like an extension of us encouraging people to be more active elsewhere on the site. If there's disagreements as to if a trope is present, that's up to the editors, not us.

Also a minor suggestion for this thread, someone who posts here frequently (like Star or War) should link to Thread Suggestions so people can find that page more easily.

Edited by papyru30 on Oct 9th 2022 at 1:07:28 PM

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#1713: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:06:57 PM

Another thing I have been wondering if somebody does 1 EP for two characters and has enough for two writeups would that count as one or two eps?

[up] Agree I think we should encuarage our member to be more active elsevere im not okay with uš making some rules that force them

Edited by EmperorGeode on Oct 9th 2022 at 12:08:26 PM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#1714: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:07:58 PM

Personally echoing the sentiment that "release date revealed" should be a fine standard of when reservations are allowed. Eliminating the "TBA" examples alone is gonna free up tons of things, and locking it down to needing a solid release date takes care of many issues at once. On top of the cap of 5 per troper? It leaves a plethora of upcoming things to go around in all directions, and avoids the exact issues with a solid "only reserve 2 weeks before its release" that STAR pointed out.

Edited by Ravok on Oct 9th 2022 at 12:09:52 PM

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#1715: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:09:41 PM

I also say waiting until at least a release date is revealed.

I also feel like being more lax on fanfics makes sense.

I also don't think we should have to wait for a page.

I do wonder how does this work for say foreign shows that might not release in the US. Like say I want to look into the new Darna show which is likely to go for 100s of episodes with a hard to tell end date.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 9th 2022 at 2:12:46 PM

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EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#1716: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:09:54 PM

I feel we should keep TBA for multy instalment works that we don’t know ending dates of.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#1717: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:12:31 PM

That's fine, if it's ongoing.

Edited by ACW on Oct 9th 2022 at 3:13:44 PM

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#1718: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:14:10 PM

Are we still sticking to North American releases as the definitive release date?

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#1719: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:14:22 PM

I will say I think the policy for ongoing works should stay the same - so for instance, if someone reserves season one of a TV show, they get first dibs for season two by default.

[up] Yes, unless it's a strictly international work

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Oct 9th 2022 at 3:14:38 PM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#1720: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:15:51 PM

Agreed, my personal opinion is that if one of your reservations is something like a TV show? I don't think you should have to consistently call the newest episode or season when they get release dates. If you've called, say, House of the Dragon when its first season was scheduled to released? Then as far as I'm concerned, you should keep that for the brunt of the show's run. The nature of television also means that collaboration with others is far more flexible, since TV shows will often lead to more candidates for either trope.

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papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#1721: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:16:03 PM

EDIT Nvm I agree with Star and Ravok

Edited by papyru30 on Oct 9th 2022 at 1:17:02 PM

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
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#1722: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:21:54 PM

Just gonna say that totes on board for linking to where a character was discussed. It will make people like me's lives much easier.

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PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#1723: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:24:24 PM

Actually, why should we stick to the North American release date? There are tropers all over the world, and most are able to experience works right when they come out, especially if they come from their country.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Oct 9th 2022 at 3:25:26 PM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1724: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:26:13 PM

Because generally most people on the site tend to be from North America and it provides a consistent schedule to base reservations off of.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#1725: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:53:11 PM

I would suggest any english release to account for non-americans but I'm not sure that would change much.


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