TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

CM/MB Policy and Thread Culture

Go To

ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#1176: Oct 8th 2022 at 2:39:33 PM

it may be better to allow a mod to do it, but as i said that's a discussion for later.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#1177: Oct 8th 2022 at 2:40:33 PM

Right, that's assuming the threads will have to restart from page 1 rather than continue where they left off.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Acebrock He/Him from So-Cal Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: My elf kissing days are over
He/Him
#1178: Oct 8th 2022 at 2:45:29 PM

Well, two of the things definitely happening, according to the pinned op are:

  • New threads to discuss the cleanup
  • New OP that makes joining the discussion for the first time (or after a hiatus) easier

Which means that there will definitely be new threads (redundantly speaking)

My troper wall
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#1179: Oct 8th 2022 at 2:46:50 PM

Missed that part, obviously :P

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#1180: Oct 8th 2022 at 2:48:29 PM

I figured we would just use the old cleanup thread for the...cleanup thread. And open up a new thread to serve as the 'Approval thread'.

Edited by Snoketrope on Oct 8th 2022 at 2:52:12 AM

Bow to the Prototype
MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
#1181: Oct 8th 2022 at 2:56:17 PM

It would honestly be better to start fresh IMO. It's not fair to ask newbies to read through hundreds of thousands of posts just to feel like they're up to speed. Let them start fresh, and all of us along with 'em.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#1182: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:00:54 PM

Wanna make one last stab at this, because I think it will be a terrible idea, but I really don't like the no EPs for candidates unless controversial, the main reason being what's controversial/obvious for someone else won't be for another. We have definitely had EPs where the proposer states something in it that they don't think is a big deal, but because of that tidbit the thread goers either check it out or ask for clarifying questions and it becomes clear that it's disqualifying for whatever reason. Yes some characters slip through the cracks under the current system, but that would increase tenfold if you didn't need EPs since a lot of people would just briefly summarize someone who they think is obvious but there were problems when people looked closely.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#1183: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:01:23 PM

I feel we shoul keep old threads to know what we disscused and how. At leat store the somewhere where we can look at the if need arises

[up] personally Im for letting the tropers chose what format they want to use individually

Edited by EmperorGeode on Oct 8th 2022 at 3:03:45 AM

ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#1184: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:04:16 PM

[up][up]so one of the reasons i don't think this is going to be that big a deal is because we're also going to be making it easier to bring up bad examples for cleanup, so if a bad example does slip through, it won't just stay there because people are afraid to bring it up.

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#1185: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:06:34 PM

It's not technically 'No E Ps unless controversial', again people can still do it if they want too. Technically this is just codifiying what was already supposed to be policy (That an effortpost typically will not be required) it may still cause problems in some areas but not too much.

Bow to the Prototype
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1186: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:06:39 PM

I genuinely don't know what you mean there. People are afraid to bring up bad examples? We've gotten examples cut all the time

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#1187: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:07:04 PM

Right, again, it's important to keep in mind that not only are we also going to have more discussion going on at each point, but that people are entirely free to get all the information they can during said discussion period. Every other thread works on this sort of "here's what I think" "but there's an issue" "let's discuss it" system, so it can work if people put the effort in.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#1188: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:08:17 PM

people in this thread have talked about that very thing, Star. i don't blame you for missing it considering how fast it's moved, but it's a real thing people have brought up. remember, you can't know how many posts haven't been made that should have, because they weren't made. it's easy to say there's not a problem because examples do get cut, but that's not the question.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#1189: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:09:53 PM

We already do that. If a candidate is controversial we probe and ask questions. But it's much easier to do so if an EP indicates there are problems. A short summary is far less likely to engender suspicion. If you just have a short summary someone might not know what to ask.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#1190: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:10:23 PM

[up][up]Basically it's sort of confirmation bias — because you see the times when things are called out, it's harder to recognize that there might be times when the current system is failing to call things out.

[up] I can see that, but hey, no harm in giving it a shot.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 8th 2022 at 6:10:51 AM

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#1191: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:11:23 PM

[up][up][up]If you are talking about the decision to remove the resolved items section, this won't help. There are very few characters who are there at the moment (below 10 I think) and if a character gets put there, it usually means that there is really no more need for discussion (Syndrome is a special case) because they were discussed multiple times in the past.

Also, our goal is to not allow bad examples to slip through at all. That's why I am in favour of keeping the current format even if the users aren't obliged to strictly use the EP template, but they still provide thorough explanation. I am also in favour of removing resolved items by the way because I don't see the point in them.

Edited by WatTambor on Oct 8th 2022 at 1:13:48 PM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#1192: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:11:28 PM

I think that people should have the choice to EP candidates if they want to rather than just abolish the EP system altogether

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#1193: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:13:08 PM

I think that is what most people are saying?

Bow to the Prototype
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#1194: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:13:53 PM

[up][up][up]i was talking about the splitting off of the cleanup parts of things, i think that'll make that side of discussion much more productive.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#1195: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:14:04 PM

Im FIRMLY in favor of keeping Current format it wt’s effective and gets everything across and as stated we still have a disscusion

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#1196: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:15:29 PM

To be clear, when I'd originally suggested the "only EP the controversial cases" idea, it was as a solution to the problem people had with the waiting period idea... which was that easy cases didn't "need" discussion and thus forcing the thread to wait a day just to talk about them seemed silly.

If ditching the EP format in any capacity will ultimately make things worse... Well, that remains to be proven. But if it's true then just get rid of that plan.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 8th 2022 at 6:16:08 AM

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#1197: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:15:43 PM

Okay wait, I need to ask. Who is advocating getting rid of the current EP system completely, the most that has been suggested is making it so that EP's are reserved for controversial characters which isn't getting rid of it. I see a lot of posts where people think we are trying to advocate getting rid of it when I don't see anyone who has. Am I missing something?

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#1198: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:17:22 PM

I am seeing people talk about how it would be wrong to abolish the EP system and uh...I am sure it might have come up but I am not seeing many people talk about that? Like the general consensus seems to be that it should still be an option if people want to do an EP.

Edited by Snoketrope on Oct 8th 2022 at 3:18:17 AM

Bow to the Prototype
MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
#1199: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:17:25 PM

[up][up] [up] Maybe it's just info getting passed on incompletely like telephone so the actual suggestion has been distorted 3-5 times give or take on the way there.

Edited by MinisterOfSinister on Oct 8th 2022 at 11:17:46 AM

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#1200: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:19:25 PM

I simply think trying to make eps only for controvesial candidates is trying to fix what isn’t broken. Now if somebody wants to do a post they can, simply dissagre with making ep” controvesial candidates only”.

Feel it’s best to give it give it a shot in trial period and if fails simply get don’t do it

Edited by EmperorGeode on Oct 8th 2022 at 3:20:50 AM


Total posts: 5,915
Top