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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#4551: Jan 11th 2023 at 6:03:15 AM

Yeah, we're doing this by the book. If it takes a while, then so be it

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The MILF Virus
#4552: Jan 11th 2023 at 6:08:10 AM

Glad to hear back about the reopenings. Hoping things are turned into a new leaf.

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#4553: Jan 11th 2023 at 7:00:49 AM

~STARCRUSHER99 - I've gone over Thread OPs and made some tweaks, leaving edit reasons where relevant. Thoughts? Feel free to ask me to elaborate on any of my reasoning.

Question: are the writeups on the writeup draft pages meant to be in any particular order, and if so, how will people know that order when posting their write-ups on it?

Regarding "This will only apply if the proposed restrictions are approved by the mods": checking with the others on that.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4554: Jan 11th 2023 at 7:05:37 AM

The draft pages do not need to be in any particular order - I think ACW organizes the CM one in a certain way but that’s just for his ease of navigation and it's not mandated for anyone else, so the only thing is that there's a line on the page that the write-ups have to go above, but it's mentioned that they go above the line in a commented out note that's hard to miss when you're dropping it.

Also, just a suggestion because I hate to give you more work right now, but... one of the issues of this thread was the communication between the mods' desires and what we thought we needed to fix, so I think it's best if we clear out the issue now. On Thread Suggestions, would you be able to give us the general mod consensus on each of the suggestions under the "Agree" folder individually, that way we know exactly what was and wasn't agreed upon? I know it's more work for you and I'm sorry, but we can't have any more miscommunications as we're going into the threads being reopened, and I think this'll help all of us in the long run if you can.

I’ll check the OP page real quick

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jan 11th 2023 at 10:29:38 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4555: Jan 11th 2023 at 7:25:20 AM

Sorry for the double post, but I just wanna make sure ~Twiddler sees this:

A lot of those edits look good! I only have concerns on a few of the minor tweaks:

  • You changed "shorter character, such as a comic book one-shot" to "character from a shorter work", but the thing I was referring to there was the length of the character's arc. The fact that you changed it makes me realize that was a bit unclear, so what if we changed it to "if the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book" instead?
  • Under the heinous standard section for the CM EP Template, you changed "quality vs. quantity" to "quality and quantity", but I was specifically referring to contrasting them rather than comparing them - one thing that helps villains with lower body counts stick out is if their crimes are way more personal and visceral. Might it make sense to change it back and then in parenthesis at the end of that clause, add "(someone with a lower victim count but with far more visceral and personal crimes could stack up to someone with a higher body count with less horror involved)"? It's a bit clunky, but again, the point is that it's a contrast and tries to explain how people with more visceral crimes can still stand out against people with a higher victim count.
  • In the bullet where you explain what a writeup is, you put it in a note - this is purely just an aesthetic thing, but I think it should be in parenthesis. I personally have never been a fan of note tags if the information is directly relevant, and if someone doesn't know what a writeup is, we might as well have it visible from the get-go. This is not a hill I'll die on but I think it just makes it easier.

Other than that, these edits are great — thanks so much for going over it Twiddler!

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#4556: Jan 11th 2023 at 7:46:16 AM

Agreed, I'm pleased to see this going.

Btw, I want to stress this: when all this opens up, let's make sure we're not in any major hurry. I'vr got a few reservations from the backlog I gotta clear, but I'm gonna limit it to one a day or so to make sure other folks have a chance.

I know everyone's eager, but let's not flood things up.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4557: Jan 11th 2023 at 7:48:03 AM

That was something else I wanted to ask - I want to put it in writing that for the first week (so the 16th to the 23rd), everyone agrees that we only do one candidate per 24 hours. I know a lot of people are anxious to get back, but the last thing we want to do is absolutely flood the thread and make it incomprehensible in its early days, so I think if we all agree to take it slow while we get back in the swing of things, it'll make things easier for everyone involved.

How does that sound, can we put this in writing somewhere?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#4558: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:01:56 AM

I think it's great. I'll focus the first week on wrapping up my backlog. Anyone wants to help with any on me list, just DM me!

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Classy, Refined, Unstable
#4559: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:09:14 AM

How long after a candidate did we decide before we post writeups?

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4560: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:10:36 AM

I think that's where the Three-Day Rule comes in, so three days after the EP.

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Classy, Refined, Unstable
#4561: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:27:00 AM

Alright wb if someone's doing a deep dive in a series? Still the 3 days rule?

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4562: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:29:43 AM

That one was you can post as many as you want from the same work without restriction (outside of the same restrictions everyone else is applied to, like the per-hour and per-page limits) but then I guess you could either drop the write-ups off as you go or drop them three days after the last one.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#4563: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:37:20 AM

Yep. Just be sure to be open if people ask to join in

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Classy, Refined, Unstable
#4564: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:40:06 AM

If someone was to announce they intended on watching a fairly large series which thread would they announce it in? The proposal one?

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#4565: Jan 11th 2023 at 8:53:38 AM

Do it on the discussion one, I think.

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4567: Jan 11th 2023 at 9:04:21 AM

I mean, I guess there's not a reason to not post it in both, but for that specific purpose of letting people know you're checking something out, I think the approval thread would probably be better, so if you only choose one it should be that one.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#4568: Jan 11th 2023 at 9:46:31 AM

I know I'm posting the weekly batches in both for simplicity's sake.

As for the order in the Drafts...no need to worry about that; I can take care of that myself.

Actually, instead of one candidate per troper per 24 hours, maybe make it one work?

Does the three-day rule apply even to obvious candidates?

EDIT: For clarity: So would something like, say Hatred now be allowed? What about Human Centipede or even Serbian Film? Not saying I will do those (even I have limits), but trying to remember the new rules.

Edited by ACW on Jan 11th 2023 at 12:53:34 PM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4569: Jan 11th 2023 at 9:54:44 AM

Yeah, it applies to everyone for consistency’s sake, cause otherwise we have to set a definition for “obvious”.

My main logic with temporary restriction is just to keep the first week or so manageable. Right now if someone is trying to cover multiple people in a single day, that’s just another EP being added to the pile, and with the proposed restrictions that’ll lock other people out of the process

[up] As long as the character in question is developed, everything is fair game, but you can choose to not participate in the discussion and if a proposal itself raises red flags, hollering is a valid option

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jan 11th 2023 at 12:55:41 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#4570: Jan 11th 2023 at 10:33:30 AM

Pretty sure the problem with Human Centipede is the fact the work it's set in sees no issue with what's happening? Which is a genuine heinous standard issue.

Edit: This is going way off topic though. Can we not discuss this stuff over at the cm discussion thread

Edited by miraculous on Jan 11th 2023 at 10:34:36 AM

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4571: Jan 11th 2023 at 10:34:13 AM

It’s less that and more that Serial Escalation is in play, so the guy who started it all is hilariously outheinoused anyway

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#4572: Jan 11th 2023 at 10:34:29 AM

Serbian Film has such a jacked standard that I'm not sure the villain would count. Additionally, the work only just escaped being cut, and we're not allowed to discuss the sexual stuff, so I think that in this case it would actually be fine to just ignore it.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#4573: Jan 11th 2023 at 10:36:03 AM

Oh yeah that. Like the page only exists because the P5 stated not to bring up any of the "stuff" that happens in it. So would be off for this anyway.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
NTG Since: Aug, 2014
#4574: Jan 11th 2023 at 10:44:49 AM

I’m still more worried about clearly racist stuff or war propaganda movies (“Watch how our brave Russian soldiers destroy the fake country of Ukraine and kill the all-evil Nazis.”) But there are no rules against it so I’ll just try my best to ignore them.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#4575: Jan 11th 2023 at 11:03:24 AM

I share the concern, but I would hope tropers would be tactful enough not to post those, and we no individual is forced to vote on them


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