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Yeah, I had the same thought at first, which is part of why I agree this response is still questionable. I knew a clause that supported Twiddler's line of thinking existed, but wasn't sure how good of a fit it was. (And to put it bluntly, it really isn't because - again - the point of it is for socks, actual new users, and preventing things like whatever the incident mentioned in
was all about.)
Edited by TrocyteV on Jan 9th 2023 at 8:00:23 AM
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"i agree with the general sentiment here. I've specifically launched Bob Morane, Lament of the Lost Moors, Papyrus, Habibi, Devour, Battles of Prince of Persia among others. I don't know what more I could do.
Fine, there are some works I've proposed from I haven't done yet (Purple Heart or Undertaker) but I have a daytime job...
Edited by Silverblade2 on Jan 9th 2023 at 5:43:22 PM
Put me in the annoyed camp as well. I do have tons of edits and forum posts that have nothing to do with MB. In addition I have lots of ATT/YKTS/TF queries, but again as we stated much earlier in the thread "Why is it wrong if someone wants to simply focus on the threads?" This is a hobby site, it makes full sense to me that some people would be more enthralled by certain aspects than others. Making it so they're required to use other parts would not make a hobby site more fun (not to mention I'd have no idea how you'd enforce that).
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the midAnd again I'll just say: there's absolutely nothing preventing all parties from being happy, here. Open the approval thread with heavy encouragement to participate elsewhere, and it'll happen. It'll also be far more beneficial, fun and productive than hostage tactics with a strange rule that many folks who frequently contribute to these tropes already abide by.
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!I've also made several pages here in that time, contribute to plenty of the other cleanup threads. And take part in image pick in
I don't really get what more you want?
Forcing people to do stuff like this just ensures they won't.
Edited by miraculous on Jan 9th 2023 at 8:15:06 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."The mod response is convincing me to stay away from the proposal threads when they are restarted and reduce my interest in these two tropes. I only feel interest in cleanup for both tropes and the 'do other things' mentality of the response — I have a couple of work pages or so I want to work on.
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.Honestly this is a rather terrible precedent being set for the entire site that I genubilu think the moderators didn't think through . Like their are plenty of people who only are in some forums or edit some pages. Effectively telling them they can't go onto any workshop or cleanup threads is an insane response considering how often we have issues with trying to get votes or discussion to help. So now we're shutting down avenues to get more eyes.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."This response... just makes me sad honestly. Like, I definitely do have interest in other areas of the site, and I've been planning for a while to dip my toes into other forum areas but... the implication that my participation on the site has been somehow less valuable because I chose to specialise in something I was good at analysing... it just hurts honestly. There were certainly issues with both of the threads, but those have been thoroughly addressed and we had to got through hoops for stuff that wasn't really an issue, such as socialisation even when the majority of the post was completely on topic. And at a lot of turns we were treated unfairly, with people being allowed to suggest burning all of our work away and even being yelled at on occasion. I don't feel any of these instances have been fairly addressed and even now we've addressed all the problems we're still not allowed to continue. Why is our work seemingly being considered inherently less valuable? And if that isn't the case, how come these expectations being applied almost exclusively to us?
I'm also agreeing that participation in other aspects of the site should be encourage via presenting these options in an accessible way, not by force. I'd love to do a lot of stuff on this site, but I wanna do it because of passion, not because of anxiety of losing something I enjoy.
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Was about to say.
This will only lead to a repeat of the insularity the mods complained about previously, just with extra steps.
Edited by TrocyteV on Jan 9th 2023 at 8:31:04 AM
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"Agreed with the others on this responses and quite disappointed myself. This doesn’t give me confidence that the approval threads will open anytime soon nor will this attract troopers to come to our threads. It still doesn’t give us a date on when the approval threads will re-open, it just seems like a bit of a let down. I really just wish the approval threads will reopen again because we can’t think of anything else to improve it seems like now we are just wasting time (it seems like the purpose now is to procrastinate so that the approval threads can stay closed for the longest period of time)
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffYeah, let me also note that I'm not looking forward to another bout of days/weeks of near-radio silence on this topic. I know the mods are busy, and I get that, but this is a big project being discussed here and this game of "mod makes a statement, dozens of people give their opinions on it, then we barely get any dialogue or addressing of it for weeks" is not something I'm hoping we repeat, here. Lot of people are unhappy and while I don't expect immediate response, I really hope we aren't stuck stewing for another several weeks.
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!It was especially annoying when last time I hollered three pretty polite messages asking for a response. Several people begged for one. And it still took weeks to come here with a statement they could have done in a day. That was incredibly dickish.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Yeah I think right now the mods seems not to have anything to say or do but are just procrastinating right now because they don’t want to lose their power over us. To me this just comes across a childish and petty. This will not make any progress and the longer the approval thread stay lock, new potential candidates will keep popping out yet none of us will be able to do them and we’ll end up missing and forgetting them
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffI'd like to think my site activity even if not great is still pretty healthy. Now that I'm not constantly doing the work in the sandboxes anymore—fun but time-consuming, I've explored other tropes. Granted I did that before, but I could fill more time with that even still and in a way that was natural and not forced.
Been on a few other threads too, which again, I was before, but probably frequent more now since I got the time—with basically almost every thread I'm a regular on in a different window in my phone's Safari. While I've been suspended from the threads twice in the past and definitely lucky to still be here, I agree that a lot's been done already to show how far our thread environment and community has come—certainly not wanting to look a gift horse in the mouth—and how we've also matured too. I think the time to test and see what we can accomplish with that learning curve should be sooner rather than later.
While I admit I've prepped candidates for when the threads do reopen too, aside from not being the only one, it's just simply being proactive for something that'll arrive at a later date and preparing for that in advance—and it's not like its taken away from the things I have done on the site either. I don't think it's too much to ask to be able to see how we have evolved in the time we've been off and given that chance to do so. I'd say the cleanup one is a pretty good indication of that.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jan 9th 2023 at 9:03:58 AM
I may not be super active on this thread but that post feels like it is saying "We don't want to deal with this, now shut up and go away." I fully agree with Star and Lighty in that a pretty admirable job has been done with cleaning up the threads issues so to get a response that is so blatantly moving the goalposts to avoid any kind of action on the mods part... While I am normally on their side, I have to say that is completely ridiculous.
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"Honestly it comes across as "we're not opening the threads because we don't want to but it's still your fault" at this point. We do other stuff on here, if we're trying to make the threads more accessible making a mandatory minimum participation requirement goes against that, if we're trying de-clique the threads giving them special requirements to enter does the opposite. This all just seems really arbitrary
"We'll meet again" | 🏳️⚧️I don't think calling this dickery is really fair. It's not petty either. They aren't amounting to shut up and go away. If that were the case, they'd make it quite clear this isn't getting opened up with [reason]. This is blatantly different as it's more "we think this thread is still too clique-y" at best, but not... saying it outright.
However, I agree this answers nothing. There's been branching out from what I've seen. It doesn't address any specific concerns at all. Like, we've had some theories to why, but those should've been answered too. I.E. People itching to make a new effortpost. Is that what they're trying to say, that the speed of adding them doesn't matter? Is people saying "we've waited long enough" exactly the part they don't feel is productive to handling the thread?
This is why I'm confused. It's the same thing as before, essentially, branching out more. I would like a bit more concern addressing, not a repeat more or less.
Shadow?Qualify me in the "disappointed" camp. I contribute to the wiki plenty. I have probably thousands of edits now, I contribute to other threads, I'll put in feedback on ATT or open an Image Pickin' thread. My activity on the site has not been drastically affected by the closure of the threads. That doesn't mean I don't still want them to open.
Where I am going to put down my foot down is forcing the rest of the thread to engage in vague and arbitrary side pursuits, which is a massively frustrating update when most of us have spent the past month or two doing exactly that while we wait here.
I'll be blunt. There are parts about this wiki I do not care about and trying to make me contribute to them by using this as leverage is a surefire way to make me never want to contribute to them.
Is it unfair to want something more tangible? This has gone on long enough, IMHO.
Edited by Scraggle on Jan 9th 2023 at 10:17:27 AM
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Exactly. Hence the "We don't want to actually solve this problem, now shut up and go away". Like I said, blatant moving of the goalposts.
Edited by ForgoLight on Jan 9th 2023 at 9:17:39 AM
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"

Yeah, and it's...kind of a rule that I'm not sure is still valid? It was kind of made instantly by Fighteer to deal with the new people posting darkfic stuff and we've kinda talked how we can't do that?
Plus, it doesn't even apply here by the letter. None of us are new users going straight to those threads.