We have determined that Lets Players are not inherently tropable. They need to provide some sort of narrative, characters, and story to be allowed on this wiki. This applies to Vtubers just as much as other content creators, but Kayfabe makes the distinction between streamer and character particularly fuzzy.
The purpose of the thread is to remove tropes from pages concerning Vtubers that apply only to the actor rather than the character.
- If there is not a clear separation between the character and the actor, we assume that it is the actor represented, and thus they are not tropable.
- In other words, it is up to the user writing the example to show that it pertains to the character and not the actor.
- Regardless, the content they produce must meet our standards for Web Video, meaning substantial original and/or transformative material.
- A vlog, review, or Let's Play does not become tropable just because the person doing it has an anime avatar.
- Original Characters are not tropable without at least being part of a narrative work. That means there must be produced, published, creative content with that character, not merely a "backstory". Only the elements of those narrative works may be troped.
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PLEASE do not argue over the guidelines here. We've been through that argument too many times and it slows the cleanup effort down. Asking if some grey area meets the guidelines is okay. Arguing that the guidelines should be changed are not. If you would like to discuss the guidelines, go to the Real-Person Troping Policy thread
Edited by Fighteer on Jun 13th 2025 at 8:42:38 AM
I've been hearing Pikamee's graduation was planned since before the Hogwarts Legacy incident, so if so the announcement of it coming in the wake of her being harassed and cyberbullied would be an unfortunate bad coincidence. Not sure how or even if that can be reworded, though.
Edited by Arawn999 on Mar 20th 2023 at 12:37:05 PM
From Nightmare Fetishist:
- Tokino Sora of hololive is known for liking horror media and, consequently, being difficult to scare. Beyond simply liking them, she finds them comforting and sometimes listens to horror streams as a sleep aid.
Done.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Apr 18th 2023 at 4:46:16 AM
Among the many, many examples that need to be pruned on the Nijisanji livers pages, this one for Enna stands out:
Yes, it happened on-stream
when Enna poked fun at Kyo's African-American Vernacular impression. However, the entry clearly talks about Enna's performer rather than the character.
Stupid Statement Dance Mix got disambiguated per TRS, so we need to figure out which example goes where. For WebAnimation.hololive:
- Stupid Statement Dance Mix:
- The "Docchi Docchi" song
isn't dance music, but it's still a silly piano piece whose "lyrics" are sourced from one of Ayame's
Minecraft streams - specifically one where she got lost on the way home repeatedly.
- Avilon created a House remix called "Ground Pound"
, which consists of Amelia Watson's stream of Super Mario Odyssey accompanied by voice clips of Marine, Kizuna Ai, Calliope, and Gura.
- Polka once ended a stream by singing "Po-ruka oooo-ruka, ooo-wa-ru ka Poruka! Po-ruka ooo-ruka o-wa-ru ka Poruka!"
. This was later remixed by Twitter user entropuberty
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- The "Docchi Docchi" song
Okay, doing that. Thanks!
Edited by Berrenta on Apr 25th 2023 at 6:55:47 AM
These could easily fall under Voice Clip Song instead.
Awesome.Kson On Air needs to get sent to the cutlist. As it stands, all five examples are meta.
Also, ~Majin Akuma brought back Characters.Nijisanji Korea from the Sandbox in a very insufficient state.
"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain![]()
Done.
Also, I don't think any of the examples ~Berrenta listed actually count since the compositions are not official content.
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"
x4 In that case, I'll need to make a mental note to take it to TRS, or at least do a sweep of Voice Clip Song after. There has been no real place for non-official instances (aside from Memetic Mutation, but a lot of cases don't even state how that applies).
I'll pull them if they aren't already.
Edit: The ones already listed there prior to my edit aren't official either.
Edit 2: Took out the whole tree and preserved it in the discussion tab.
Edited by Berrenta on May 3rd 2023 at 7:44:19 AM
Wanted to ask here before taking it to the quality control thread, is the Guns, Gore & Cannoli / hololive joint video example (the one with Hakos Baelz) kosher? It seems like it was uploaded to squeeze in the Irony example, but the thing making it ironic is Baelz's avatar (she's a rat, and the video shows the giant rat boss from the game) and not in an intentional way. Does this break the "it's not tropable just because you put an avatar over it" bullet from the OP?
In any case, it also feels like a Signal-to-Noise Train Wreck because of just how much is going on in the description and secondary tropes.
Edited by TrocyteV on May 4th 2023 at 7:11:22 AM
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"Looking at recent edits to Trivia.Nijisanji... my instincts tell me that we probably shouldn't be talking about all this leaked information, but my instincts are also biased, so I want a second opinion.
Edited by Arcorann on May 8th 2023 at 7:04:26 PM
From what I understand, Content Leak doesn't extend to meta content (i.e. public statements that don't involve work content), so that's not the policy to enforce here.
Our biggest concern right now is speculation from agendaposters and the fact that both Zaion/Sayu and Nijisanji are unreliable narrators.
EDIT: After reading the example on the page you mentioned, they seem valid. It properly cites both sides without taking an actual stance or giving undue weight.
Edited by TrocyteV on May 8th 2023 at 8:17:26 AM
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"From Animation Age Ghetto, under "Web Video":
- hololive has cute anime-like v-tubers, but some of these v-tubers can be rather raunchy, including a horny pirate girl and a foul-mouthed dragon girl.
Probably needs a rewrite to refer to Virtual Youtubers in general, if it's even a suitable example to begin with.
Edited by Arcorann on May 18th 2023 at 11:02:04 PM
I'm not sure if VTubing even qualifies, considering I tend to hear the opposite of what the trope suggests (i.e. the idea that you can let children watch is what's surprising, even though a number of the big names are literally qualified to work with them.)
Edited by TrocyteV on May 18th 2023 at 8:31:00 AM
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"I think it's just misuse, or zce. Animation Age Ghetto would require saying that significant amount of people thunk vtubers are good entertainers for kids because of the artstyle.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupAsking here before I go directly to ATT.
So I've been going back and cleaning the page for up a Hololive fanwork (The Dragon's Pizzeria) since I managed to recover most of it from the Internet Archive (previously, I thought it was lost, but I decided to check again after being asked on the matter — site policy of verifiability and all that jazz), but I ran into an interesting problem while doing so.
I'm going to omit the actual details for now since it digs into some really heavy stuff, but in chapter 2, there is a series of events that is very blatantly either Ripped from the Headlines or Reality Subtext for a very specific IRL incident, to the point where any insistence that it isn't borders on Implausible Deniability or Grey's Law. It is also my understanding that this (among other faux pases) was a major pain point in the fic's reception as well as a larger lore bible it was parented to.
The problem is that this connection (and the scene in question being cause for concern at all) comes from Mano Aloe's actress, using her current identity. ATT has stated we do not directly say "[x] is [y]" if the divide is due to privacy concerns — this varies between individual VTubers even within the same company, but Aloe is probably the straightest example of this stipulation I can think of.
If I were to point out that the scene is Ripped from the Headlines (and it's definitely an elephant in the room, due to the aforementioned reception), would I be able to describe the evidence as "Aloe's actress said [x]," or would I have to beat around the bush a bit more?
Edited by TrocyteV on May 21st 2023 at 7:41:55 AM
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"It's difficult to say with the question beating around the bush either. As far as I'm concerned
- If the agency keeps roles uncredited, we can't fairly connect vtubers to other idendities. Everyone knows who Kson On Air is, but we don't say anything until she does.
- Fanworks can really do whatever and are public material.
- We don't have the same standards as the community.
I debated on stating it outright but just keeping it in a folder, but ended up deciding not to. That's my mistake, and I apologize.
Delutaya has revealed (first in a Fanbox, then in a public stream) that she attempted suicide in the exact same manner as this person, during or shortly after the approximate timeframe this chapter of TDP corresponds to (at least a month after her IRL graduation in 2020.) Combined with that, HoloFunk 5.0.0/TDP!Aloe clearly struggling with untreated mental trauma, and some other scenes (particularly the violent beatdown of an Allegorical Character for Aloe's antis), there's overwhelming evidence that this is what chapter 2's scene is referencing.
The hypothetical Reality Subtext or Ripped from the Headlines example would thus simply be pointing out the analogues and what renders it highly unlikely to be a coincidence.
Edited by TrocyteV on May 21st 2023 at 9:52:08 AM
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"Bumping since it's been a few days with no consensus.
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"How important is it for examples of Ripped from the Headlines or similar tropes to reference the exact source of the headline in question? My understanding is TV Tropes does not as general policy attempt to maintain Keyfabe, so I see no issue with writing "On date ABC Aloe's actress (or whatever term you use for people behind a corpo vtuber avatar) said XYZ".
But if something like that is too vague, and we need to say exactly when where and by whom XYZ was said... Just state it outright. IMO no reason for us to stick to a semi-niche fandom's conventions if it impacts our troping work. At most, spoiler the stuff referring to happenings she went through not under the Aloe avatar. That's the policy of basically every other community except official subreddits and 4chan anyway.
And that we are openly talking about how the two are connected in this thread is reason enough to rule out avoiding it on a privacy basis. It's vtubing's second worst kept secret, and much of Delutaya's current audience is 'because' of her past as Aloe anyway.
Edited by paradisedj32 on May 26th 2023 at 9:25:47 AM

Oh jeez, here I am discussing VOMS Project again... (WARNING: JK ROWLING)
RL Troping, I must say. How am I supposed to reword/remove this?
Eh, good enough.