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We have determined that Lets Players are not inherently tropable. They need to provide some sort of narrative, characters, and story to be allowed on this wiki. This applies to Vtubers just as much as other content creators, but Kayfabe makes the distinction between streamer and character particularly fuzzy.

The purpose of the thread is to remove tropes from pages concerning Vtubers that apply only to the actor rather than the character.


  • If there is not a clear separation between the character and the actor, we assume that it is the actor represented, and thus they are not tropable.
    • In other words, it is up to the user writing the example to show that it pertains to the character and not the actor.
  • Regardless, the content they produce must meet our standards for Web Video, meaning substantial original and/or transformative material.
    • A vlog, review, or Let's Play does not become tropable just because the person doing it has an anime avatar.
  • Original Characters are not tropable without at least being part of a narrative work. That means there must be produced, published, creative content with that character, not merely a "backstory". Only the elements of those narrative works may be troped.

More details in this post.

For our full policy, visit our Administrivia page on Real Life Troping.


PLEASE do not argue over the guidelines here. We've been through that argument too many times and it slows the cleanup effort down. Asking if some grey area meets the guidelines is okay. Arguing that the guidelines should be changed are not. If you would like to discuss the guidelines, go to the Real-Person Troping Policy thread.

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 13th 2025 at 8:42:38 AM

TrocyteV Chronic lore addict (Petty Master) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#501: Nov 9th 2022 at 12:27:00 PM

[up][up][up][up]The only thing that isn't mentioned in that folder is that we do have a basic idea of what Kiara's mother is supposed to look like in-universe, but this being the only fictionalized portion available to the public means that's still not tropeworthy.

Anyways, I'm going to toss it out citing this thread soon.

EDIT: Snipped with a link to this thread.

Edited by TrocyteV on Nov 9th 2022 at 1:32:09 AM

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#502: Nov 9th 2022 at 10:54:13 PM

The Ho Yay examples in YMMV.Nijisanji reek strongly of Actor Shipping to me. The only exception I can think of is if the first example was shaved down to the "Ice Breaker" cover and booted to Homoerotic Subtext, since it's both fictionalized and scripted.


    Original example text 
  • Ho Yay
    • Kanae and Kuzuha. The two have a collaborative channel called Chronoir that often plays up this aspect of their relationship, especially in their cover songs such as "Ice Breaker", a song that was originally about the two Vocaloids IA and Yuzuki Yukari being in a romantic and explicitly sexual relationship. The original MV that was created for Chronoir's cover even has the two holding hands.
    • Fuwa Minato and Mayuzumi Kai. Their close relationship, as well as the fact that Minato quite literally looks to Mayuzumi in times when he needs reassurance, has made fans believe that their relationship is more than just friendship.
    • Kanae and Akina Saegusa. Akina has admitted on several occasions that he has romantic feelings for Kanae, to which Kanae responds by teasing him.
    • Uki and... damn near any guy who collaborates with him. While the most popular pairing by far is Uki/Fulgur, he has no less than 13 different ship tags.
    • Kyo lets slip during his debut that Vox's infamously risque ASMR streams are a guilty pleasure of his.

"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"
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#503: Nov 17th 2022 at 11:51:32 AM

Genki Girl

  • hololive: One of the first things people notice about Oozora Subaru is that she is incredibly energetic. She's loud, upbeat, and has so much energy that some of her peers were downright intimidated by her before they got to know her better.
    • Kureji Ollie of the Indonesia branch is immensely energetic for a zombie. She has NO INDOOR VOICE and has boundless energy. It got to the point where her landlord had to send her a message to keep it down.
This is an IRL landlord, right? If it is, this can all go.

Attractive Zombie
  • VTuber Kureiji Ollie from hololive Indonesia is a zombie virtual idol whose good looks haven't been tainted by undeath. While more conservative than the outfits worn by other hololive members, her dress draws a lot of attention to her attractive legs, and her adorably energetic demeanor further bumps up her cuteness factor. She's also known to be a notorious Harem Seeker and has 'married' many of her fellow idols.
Everything after "legs" needs to go, but I think the rest can stay?

Edited by badtothebaritone on Nov 17th 2022 at 1:51:59 PM

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#504: Nov 17th 2022 at 12:02:17 PM

[up] I'd say highly probably to each.

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#505: Nov 17th 2022 at 5:21:51 PM

From Little Bit Beastly:

  • Virtual YouTuber: Many vtubers made their models with such beastly features. Unsurprising, since vtubers originated in japan where this trope is quite popular. Theres also vtubers who don't usually have animal motifs that have later added alternate costumes that are a little bit beastly, usually with cat ears. Frankly, theres too many examples to give a full list.

There's definitely a point to be made here, but not in an entry that looks like it was typed in 30 seconds. The grammar is atrocious, the entry is general, and it lists Virtual YouTuber as a work when it's currently a trope.

Speaking of, Virtual YouTuber can't really decide whether it's a trope or a genre.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Nov 17th 2022 at 7:22:02 AM

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#506: Nov 21st 2022 at 3:23:13 PM

Characters.Juniper Actias is a character page without a work page. Move to Web Video?

Edited by Amonimus on Nov 21st 2022 at 2:24:24 PM

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#508: Nov 22nd 2022 at 12:19:57 PM

Done. Still questioning if these should be Web Video or Web Animation.


A question I've posted some time ago with no response.

At WebAnimation.Hololive there's the following:

Brief description on how V Tubing works in general these days; if V Tubing gets a trope, then the stuff down here should probably be moved over there
Each member of the group has a fictional anime-styled Digital Avatar that they use in their social media in lieu of their real identities; the real identities and information on hololive's members are kept secret and never officially disclosed note . During a stream, called a "delivery" in Japan, the talents display a Live 2 D-animated version of their avatar that moves according to their actual head and facial movements. This avatar system replaces the headcam used by regular streamers. Cover also produces 3D versions of hololive talents' avatars with full body tracking. Talents usually receive their 3D avatars later in their careers since they require more time to create, and these avatars are often prominently featured in concert streams and custom music videos.

Though the fictional avatars also have their in-fiction characterisations, the degree in which the streamer follows the characterizations varies by their wishes; the vast majority of the time, the streamers only maintain the bare minimum of in-character behavior (most merely stick to speaking with a dramatic voice and referring to themselves with their fictional names) while allowing all the normal unscripted streamer antics (and often times even out-of-character antics), the fictional characterizations being mainly used for cracking jokes note . The end result of this process is that the real persona of the streamer merges with their fictional avatar, creating complex and often entertaining characters that the audiences enjoy.

Since Virtual YouTuber did get own page, I think these two paragraphs are now unnecessary, and the following can be inserted into Virtual YouTuber:

How VTubers treat their other identities varies per person: from being open about it, to considering bringing them up as impolite even if it's an Open Secret, to a complete ban for the sake of privacy. The degree of association with the character also varies: some only use it just as a form of expression, while some provide an Excuse Plot of how the character became a streamer and request viewers to follow the setting.

There are several programs that allow syncing the avatar to camera movements, like FaceRig and Live 2 D Cubism. Other setups utilize 3D models, typically with full body tracking. There's also a community of PNGTubers who don't use a webcam and avatars are animated by voice or click, if at all.

Edited by Amonimus on Nov 22nd 2022 at 12:24:02 PM

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#510: Dec 5th 2022 at 7:03:56 PM

I am starting to think that ~Majin Akuma and ~memememememe have not gotten the memo of not troping real-life and meta stuff in their endeavours on the various Nijisanji and Phase-Connect pages, respectively.

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#512: Dec 6th 2022 at 6:12:09 PM

The problem with applying a total Real Life ban on Virtual Youtubers is that many Vtubers do talk about aspects of their Real Life and actually make them parts of their character. There are complete kayfabe vtubers who treat it as a voice actor would treat his/her role in anime, and there are Vtubers who do treat their online persona as extensions of themselves. For example Ironmouse's page, where she is listed simultaneously as both literally Satan (her lore/kayfabe) and an Ill Girl (her Real Life condition). Although we can enforce the rule "never talk about a person's roommate / past life" which is pretty universal in Vtubing culture as a whole, not just here.

Pippa is the "add some IRL elements to her character" type of vtuber. Me writing about her as a person who was Desperately Looking for a Purpose in Life may seem like violating privacy, but remember that it's literally the theme of her original song, making it a part of her lore as a whole. Whoever is behind Pippa may have issues with philosophical topics, existentialism and all that jazz, but she did make it part of the Pippa charcater.

All tropes ultimately come from Real Life. So Real Life should be troped as well.
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#513: Dec 6th 2022 at 8:15:53 PM

Just because you see it on a page doesn't mean it's okay. If the Ill Girl example for Ironmouse is about her Real Life condition, it needs to be excised completely from the page to comply with our policies. I know her illness is incorporated into lore, but from what little I understand it's been processed through subtext that ends up displaying as a different trope removed from the explicit topic of health.

To reiterate from the relevant sections on Real Life Troping: if there is any degree of uncertainty on whether or not someone has fully translated a part of their life into their character's lore, it's off limits.

"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"
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#514: Dec 6th 2022 at 9:02:20 PM

So anything and everything that would be related to Real Life must be excised completely? That we should excise all mentions of Ironmouse being an Ill Girl because OMG REAL LIFE even when she made that aspect part of her character? That Pippa's existential tendencies be excised because OMG REAL LIFE even when she literally made it the central theme of her original song?

This growing Real Life-phobia is why I left this site, and only came back to write for Phase. This is the biggest disappointment of this wiki. And to think that several years before, I wrote that TV Tropes was an example of postmodernism, breaking the boundaries between fiction and reality.

All tropes ultimately come from Real Life. So Real Life should be troped as well.
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#515: Dec 6th 2022 at 9:13:50 PM

Yes, at least the second sub-bullet that explains why she wrote her character that way (which, as a scripted part of a character bio, is allowed to stay as the first sub-bullet.) That belongs in Trivia under Reality Subtext and/or Serendipity Writes the Plot (because an active limitation is what caused the person to write a certain way.)

Edited by TrocyteV on Dec 6th 2022 at 9:19:38 AM

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memememememe Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
#516: Dec 6th 2022 at 9:23:50 PM

Can't exactly purge it when the creator herself canonised it as part of her lore, hence making it technically part of their kayfabe. Ironmouse being an Ill Girl is just as canon as being Satan, because she allows it and is open about it. Pippa being The Anti-Nihilist is just as canon as her being a conspiracy theorist rabbit, because she herself allows it and is open about it.

And I'm going to be brutally honest with you as well. This "Real-Life Phobia" is why TV Tropes is such a disappointing mess right now.

All tropes ultimately come from Real Life. So Real Life should be troped as well.
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#517: Dec 6th 2022 at 9:25:37 PM

It's not a phobia, mate. It's just us enforcing a rule that has existed for a decade now.

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#518: Dec 6th 2022 at 9:27:21 PM

Troping Real-Life is allowed in trope lists as Real Life medium examples unless NRLEP.

Troping real people like characters has never been allowed.

If something "canonized" into a character, then the character has that trait, we're just not talking about the person behind it.

If you're here only to complain about things that were the reason for you to leave already, that's a very weird move but you need to stop.

The community has thought this over for a long time, we're not having this conversation every time someone wants to make Wikitubia 2.

Edited by Amonimus on Dec 6th 2022 at 8:28:56 PM

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#519: Dec 6th 2022 at 9:33:45 PM

Back then the point of No Real Life Examples, Please! was to avoid controversy and edit wars. This was actually a position I agreed with because it was a rational intention. This new policy "Real-Person Troping" is overkill and indicative of the general direction this wiki is pushing now: the purging of all Real Life examples. What next, do we purge the trope lists in the Creators pages? Problematic for some pages e.g. philosophy pages like Friedrich Nietzsche, whose content are directly the extension of their own personal opinions and perspectives.

But I'm going to discuss that on the Real-Person Troping forum. For now, let us discuss the Vtuber pages. In my understanding, if the content creator HERSELF made an aspect of her real life canonical to her kayfabe, then it is part of her canon. Ironmouse allowed her Ill Girl aspect to be canon, so it is canon. Pippa was always open about being The Anti-Nihilist and made it the theme of her first original song, so it is canon.

Edited by memememememe on Dec 6th 2022 at 9:36:44 AM

All tropes ultimately come from Real Life. So Real Life should be troped as well.
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#520: Dec 6th 2022 at 9:41:24 PM

  • If Ironmouse's Ill Girl consistently shows up in-character or is ever brought up with fantasy explanation, it's good for us.
  • Since Pippa's The Anti-Nihilist is in the song, it's good for us.

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#521: Dec 6th 2022 at 9:47:48 PM

No Real Life Examples, Please! has nothing to do with the Real Life Troping policy. One determines which tropes can have real life examples, another determines the tropeworthiness of certain works and how we should discuss creators. No more, no less.

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#522: Dec 7th 2022 at 12:10:20 PM

Lorewise ironmouse isnt ill, atleast not in the traditional sense. Its explained that she refuses to eat souls (shes a demon) and that that has made her weaken.

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#523: Dec 7th 2022 at 12:12:13 PM

[up] I guess that would make her Vegetarian Vampire and not Ill Girl then if it's explained that way.

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#524: Dec 7th 2022 at 2:46:25 PM

The trope page as it stands now mentions that her powers are also very physically demanding, which would also make for an example of Cast from Stamina or a similar trope.

...actually, come to think of it, all those downsides don't seem to get much focus lore-wise (the most blatant case of Mousey's condition as Reality Subtext has nothing to do with her character's abilities in-universe IIRC, just a Pandora's Box-type story), so wouldn't Delicate and Sickly just be outright misuse?

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#525: Dec 7th 2022 at 3:03:54 PM

When you put it that way, probably.


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