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We have determined that Lets Players are not inherently tropable. They need to provide some sort of narrative, characters, and story to be allowed on this wiki. This applies to Vtubers just as much as other content creators, but Kayfabe makes the distinction between streamer and character particularly fuzzy.

The purpose of the thread is to remove tropes from pages concerning Vtubers that apply only to the actor rather than the character.


  • If there is not a clear separation between the character and the actor, we assume that it is the actor represented, and thus they are not tropable.
    • In other words, it is up to the user writing the example to show that it pertains to the character and not the actor.
  • Regardless, the content they produce must meet our standards for Web Video, meaning substantial original and/or transformative material.
    • A vlog, review, or Let's Play does not become tropable just because the person doing it has an anime avatar.
  • Original Characters are not tropable without at least being part of a narrative work. That means there must be produced, published, creative content with that character, not merely a "backstory". Only the elements of those narrative works may be troped.

More details in this post.

For our full policy, visit our Administrivia page on Real Life Troping.


PLEASE do not argue over the guidelines here. We've been through that argument too many times and it slows the cleanup effort down. Asking if some grey area meets the guidelines is okay. Arguing that the guidelines should be changed are not. If you would like to discuss the guidelines, go to the Real-Person Troping Policy thread.

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 13th 2025 at 8:42:38 AM

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#351: Oct 2nd 2022 at 1:53:38 PM

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fictionalized versions of them (staff) appear in hololive - Holo no Graffiti, events, and scripted videos, so it's something to watch out for

Edited by Amonimus on Oct 2nd 2022 at 11:53:58 AM

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#352: Oct 2nd 2022 at 2:15:09 PM

    Hidden Depths 
This... thing. Real person troping everywhere. Permission to nuke?

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#353: Oct 2nd 2022 at 2:27:40 PM

Yeah. I also think it's a misuse of Hidden Depths.

Didn't know Momosuzu Nene has a bug-related second account. I wonder it it's tropable as blog or would count as spin-off material.

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#354: Oct 2nd 2022 at 2:58:54 PM

[up] Axed.

     Surprisingly Good Foreign Language 
  • Various girls in hololive qualify.
    • The two most notable on the Japanese side are Akai Haato (Haachama) and Kiryu Coco. Haachama went to school in Australia and is capable of holding a conversation in English, while Coco was born in America and natively speaks English.
    • Every member of the Indonesia group can speak fluent English.
    • Though she's part of Hololive English, Takanashi Kiara qualifies as she was born in Austria and natively speaks German. She's also fluent in Japanese.
    • Over at holostars, Kishido Temma takes his English learning very seriously, even translating his own clips into English in one such instance.
    • Oozora Subaru once partook in a foreign-exchange program in Canada, allowing her to get a decent grasp of English. It somewhat degraded since, but has relearned it and even managed to do an English collab with Kiara and Reine.
    • Lui Takane surprised everyone with an amazing grasp of English. Able to complete full sentences and even use some slang. Her English-learning stream with Calli showed her capabilities even more.
  • Lumi is a Finnish vtuber who speaks English with a near flawless American accent. During a question and answer video one of her viewers even asked if she really was from Finland. She replied yes, and while she could speak English with a strong Finnish accent she chose not to.
  • Pikamee Amano, of VOMS Project, speaks in fluent and grammatically sound English as well as Japanese. Most of her streams have English peppered in, and she also holds primarily English streams as well.

Real person troping, cut?

Still not super confident with big edits like this.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#355: Oct 2nd 2022 at 3:09:21 PM

Courtesy: SugarWiki.Surprisingly Good Foreign Language

As Sugar Wiki, I kinda don't care what goes there, though if we're extending the policy there, these should be cut. Coco and Haato (self-proclaimed EN 0) can probably stay if recontextualized, as they have content in exclusive fluent English despite being a part of Japan branch with japanese audience.

And yeah, large edits need more than one person's nod.

Edited by Amonimus on Oct 2nd 2022 at 1:09:36 PM

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#356: Oct 2nd 2022 at 3:13:54 PM

Probably should have waited on that cut, then.

On another note, Real Life Troping finally went live, so I linked that in the header.

Edit: I'd imagine the policy extends to the Darth and Sugar Wikis, but is that actually the case? That might be a stupid question, but I just want to be 100% sure.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 2nd 2022 at 5:21:16 AM

TrocyteV Chronic lore addict (Petty Master) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#357: Oct 2nd 2022 at 6:44:15 PM

[up]I would assume it does carry over, if only because things from those namespaces that go on other pages are usually either moments or narrative and characterization tropes.

EDIT: a word

Edited by TrocyteV on Oct 2nd 2022 at 10:23:26 AM

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TrocyteV Chronic lore addict (Petty Master) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#358: Oct 2nd 2022 at 10:39:17 PM

Noting that my previous response accidentally used a word that likely made it mean the complete opposite of what I meant to say. It's been edited to be more clear.


As for the talent sandboxes, which do you think would be easier to tackle first? The branch-wide pages for length, or the individual character pages (Suisei, Fubuki, Haachama, Gura, Calli, and Kronii) for having only one person to focus on per page? Been thinking of getting cracking on those soon and wanted to get some opinions.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#359: Oct 3rd 2022 at 5:49:40 AM

They all look equally difficult, so I was considering starting from the top. Or other subpages like Heartwarming.Hololive. Or checking the validity of other Virtual YouTuber pages. Whatever keeps the cleaning going.

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#360: Oct 3rd 2022 at 8:10:08 AM

I'd work on the branch-wide pages first if I were in your shoes, but it's up to you.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#361: Oct 7th 2022 at 2:23:28 PM

Since the discussion seem to have stalled for near a weak, here's something easy:

WebAnimation.Kaguya Luna may be a ZCE stub.

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Freecom the "Risky Click Pub" asshole from probably offending whales somewhere Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
the "Risky Click Pub" asshole
#362: Oct 8th 2022 at 12:35:52 PM

sandbox for hololive gen 0

i drafted this while half asleep so i might have a handful of items in the wrong folders that i missed

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#363: Oct 9th 2022 at 4:45:05 AM

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Everything in the first two folders for each can be cut. Some notes:

Would hold on for now:

Don't have the energy to read the other two folders for now if they don't sound problematic enough, so I'll do that a bit later.
Do we need to add a warning with something like this to Characters pages?
Due to Real Life Troping policy, we draw a strict line for separation of work and artist. Before adding an example, consider: Can it reasonably be assumed that it describes the talent's person (Vtuber's Face) and not the character? Is it a matter outside of Cover's fictional world or production? Is it a coincidental game moment and not something the talent came up with? If the answer to any of those is yes, don't add it. If it's ambiguous, don't add it. It would also help to point when the example happens due to Examples Are Not General and Examples Are Not Recent, not all random gags that happen in streams are character's tropes.

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paradisedj32 Since: Jan, 2011
#364: Oct 9th 2022 at 7:19:06 AM

[up]That warning sounds good. I'm tempted to ask for an even stricter policy about pointing to where the examples happened, but maybe that's just my inner academic ranting about citations.

Minor thought about the Sandbox Page: Not sure if I agree about deleting Azki's Marry Them All example. It references Nene who I am more familiar with, and I think for both talents any discussion of them being "married" to viewers is solidly a matter of in-universe roleplay rather than a spontaneous game or stream reaction.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#365: Oct 9th 2022 at 8:10:57 AM

The whole lovers/marrying/adopting things need its own entire review. Some are jokes while some persisted for months and are used for thematic grouping.

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Freecom the "Risky Click Pub" asshole from probably offending whales somewhere Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
the "Risky Click Pub" asshole
#366: Oct 9th 2022 at 3:35:12 PM

[up][up][up]i'll get on committing those gen 0 changes then

honestly the warning should apply to the entire page, considering Real Life Troping is problematic everywhere on it

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Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
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#367: Oct 10th 2022 at 12:28:22 AM

Oi, got some bad news. As it turns out, Pipkin Pippa of Phase-Connect has been exposed as an far-right wing dog-whistler. What to do in this situation? As a matter fact, what to do with the entire page?

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Oct 10th 2022 at 12:28:59 PM

Eh, good enough.
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#368: Oct 10th 2022 at 12:29:32 AM

We don't do anything unless their career is affected, same as we do for all other cases of this happening.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 10th 2022 at 3:29:39 PM

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Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
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#369: Oct 10th 2022 at 12:32:58 AM

Yeah, but I'm concerned about her character page stealthily supporting her viewpoints.

Eh, good enough.
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#370: Oct 10th 2022 at 12:36:39 AM

If it has nothing to do with her "character" then we shouldn't have those tropes posted anyway and if we do we can cut them and report whoever is adding them.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#371: Oct 10th 2022 at 12:51:55 AM

A Creator's personal life or views have no importance or relevance to tvtropes and aren't allowed to be troped on pages to begin with.

If there's something on Characters.Phase Connect that is about the person behind the camera and not written-in for the character, it should be removed. If the character is explicitly also made alt-right, it's kinda not our problem I think.

Edited by Amonimus on Oct 10th 2022 at 10:52:20 PM

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Freecom the "Risky Click Pub" asshole from probably offending whales somewhere Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
the "Risky Click Pub" asshole
#372: Oct 10th 2022 at 8:55:07 AM

done with the hololive gen 0 stuff that's been addressed so far

edit: also started a sandbox for suisei (although it's not finished)

Edited by Freecom on Oct 10th 2022 at 12:13:19 PM

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paradisedj32 Since: Jan, 2011
#373: Oct 10th 2022 at 4:54:27 PM

Some thoughts on Suisei's sandbox: Should the "Crossover" entry be there at all, regardless of whether or not it's real life troping? Unless there is something special about their relationship, I don't think we need to put Crossover on every talents that regularly collabs with non-hololive members.

Hmm, I'm not sure how A-Cup Angst examples should be treated. On one hand, it often takes the form of one-off jokes and only a few talents make it part of their personas. On the other hand, it seems it would necessarily be about the avatar given that their real-life body is not visible to the viewers.

Ascended Fangirl seems an edge case to me. While her official interactions with Love Live and Cardfight Vanguard were under the Hoshimachi Suisei name, her status as a fangirl at any prior point seems like real life troping unrealated to the avatar/persona.

badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#374: Oct 10th 2022 at 4:57:43 PM

I think the only instance of A-Cup Angst we should keep is Rushia because she explicitly stated it was a trait of her character and not how her IRL self actually felt.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 10th 2022 at 6:57:57 AM

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
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#375: Oct 10th 2022 at 8:22:01 PM

Took a second look at WebAnimation.Phase Connect and found this:

  • Biting-the-Hand Humor: Like how hololive has it's CEO YAGOO subject to being the butt of the joke among the talents and fans, the CEO of Phase-Connect Kevin Li, commonly known as Sakana, is given similar treatment. Such as Uruka claiming herself the owner of Phase-Connect, or how he's portrayed as a Corrupt Corporate Executive in Shiina's lore video.
  • Corrupt Corporate Executive: In Shiina's lore video, Sakana kidnaps a bunch of the girls as part of his "not scam" to build and debut the second generation of Phase-Connect.
  • Suspiciously Specific Denial: Sakana's recruitment poster for Phase-Connect featured in Shiina's lore video has such gems like "[NOT A SCAM!]" directly below WANTED and "Not a black company"note  in the speech bubble. When Shiina makes it to the corporation to apply for a job, the "totally NOT overworked manager" also repeats the latter phrase insistently with a tired look on her face.

Anyone verify this?

Eh, good enough.

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