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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#76: Aug 22nd 2022 at 1:26:04 AM

Finally finished the main story. Initial feelings is that it's largely the inverse of 2, starting off much stronger but faltering towards the end.

It's frustrating, since I like what it's going for, but it feels like it's missing the connective tissue to really pull it together post-chapter 5. At least they're upfront about the main antagonist being conceptual, but I think both 1 and 2 pulled that off just fine while also having them be very personal.

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#77: Aug 22nd 2022 at 7:22:45 AM

I skipped the last third of Xenoblade 2 story, but I'd agree that Z isn't as satisfying as Zanza.

That said, I find X cooler than Lorithia, though that isn't saying much.

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#78: Aug 22nd 2022 at 8:46:45 AM

I certainly felt the message of Z being conceptual a bit better than the likes of Zanza and Malos, whom I found to be too autonomous to lean on that excuse.

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#79: Aug 22nd 2022 at 9:08:06 AM

But then what the hell is X? She definitely isn't conceptual and has more personality than some other Consuls.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#80: Aug 22nd 2022 at 9:19:30 AM

She's an annoyance. Who also commands Colony Annoyance. tongue

She's nothing we never seen before. Juri and Larxene do it better.

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Edited by NoName999 on Aug 22nd 2022 at 2:06:08 AM

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#82: Aug 23rd 2022 at 1:39:28 PM

The story was certainly flawed. The whole stuff with Moebius was far too vague and conceptual for my liking. N was a big disappointment seeing how he was hyped up to be the primary non-big bad antagonist. J ended up being the best villain, and he's a far cry from Jin and Malos. Also not enough nostalgic callbacks. I wanted more of those.

But there was 5 seconds of happy Poppi, so actually the greatest game of all time.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#83: Aug 23rd 2022 at 2:02:51 PM

One thing I think could've been more interesting with N is if, instead of never defeating Z, he actually did defeat Z (almost), only to be faced with same thing Noah faces at the end: the reality of the worlds being separated and reset, and therefore losing Mio anyways, and that is what prompts his total despair and complete betrayal.

But this would require changing the trajectory of the game's themes a bit, since this does lose some of the sadistic choice aspect (when the freedom from such choice is an important theme). But it would also counter the odd line from Noah where he accuses N of not trying to fight fate hard enough.

In a similar vein, I would've preferred if Z was an actual character: who seized Origin with X and Y, not only to forestall the potential annihilation of both worlds, but also forestall the potential reset both worlds. Exchanging mundane reality for a manufactured one full of entertaining stories (as per Z's twisted notion of fun), as a direct antagonism to the conclusion of the previous games, actively rejecting a world without gods. He could still claim to be the embodiment of the collective fear of the future/unknown/death, but that would clearly be his own ego. And sure, it's once more in the vein of Zanza and Malos/Amalthus, but I think they were really good ideas!

Edited by Eschaton on Aug 23rd 2022 at 2:03:35 AM

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#84: Aug 23rd 2022 at 2:34:38 PM

[up][up] You Mean 5 seconds of Gigachad Rex, therefore its the best Xenoblade. tongue

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Aug 23rd 2022 at 5:34:59 AM

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justinkal Since: Oct, 2016
#85: Aug 23rd 2022 at 2:40:43 PM

So is there some late/post game sidequests I just can't find, or is it just plain impossible to reach 5 star affinity with Colony Mu (Fiona's) without spamming a fuck ton of collectopedia cards?

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#86: Aug 23rd 2022 at 2:40:47 PM

N's problem is that he's the fourth character in a row to have the motivation of "my girlfriend is dead and I want revenge." W already had Jin, Lao, and Shulk. And Shulk is the only heroic character of the bunch.

N being a possessive incel is a breath of fresh air though.

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#87: Aug 23rd 2022 at 2:51:32 PM

Still better then Winicott from Xenosaga. Easily. In the same way Amalthus is a better Krelian from Xenogears.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#88: Aug 23rd 2022 at 5:41:13 PM

I'll admit, me being a little sour on the ending is probably because another JRPG had a very similar endgame just last year. And it even had two disparate parts of a franchise coming together. So seeing it done again even though it's a coincidence is a little lame.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#89: Aug 23rd 2022 at 6:00:29 PM

I'm going to guess, was it Shin Megami Tensei V? Because that's what I was reminded of, although this game isn't nearly as bad about it.

Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 23rd 2022 at 10:13:46 AM

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#90: Aug 23rd 2022 at 6:20:57 PM

Blue Reflection: Second Light. Both endgames cover a lot of similar ground.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#91: Aug 23rd 2022 at 6:24:22 PM

Yeah I was reminded of V as well.

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#92: Aug 23rd 2022 at 7:07:45 PM

[up][up]Oh yeah, the ending cutscenes of both games are pretty much the same, except that the protagonist of Blue Reflection Second Light was in Mio's position.

I've also heard someone compared Colony Mu with Second Light too.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#93: Aug 24th 2022 at 9:24:16 AM

Something that stands out to me is that the crew here doesn't have any real mentor figure guiding them or giving them worldly advice from a more experienced perspective. At least in the first half. 1 has Dunban as a proper adult figure plus Dickson to push them in towards the plot. 2 has both Pyra and Gramps giving the party a more solid direction for where to go. 3 has an old man ramble to the confused party for a few minutes before dying, and they just grasp onto whatever they could understand to see if they can find any sort of hope at all.

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#95: Aug 24th 2022 at 9:38:56 AM

In the second half sure. Once they reach City they've got proper guidance and more proper goals. But first half they're just stumbling along trying to reach City, liberating any colonies they meet, and knocking off as many Moebius as possible cause they're assholes.

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#96: Aug 24th 2022 at 11:08:17 AM

Riku is the mentor for the Keves team at least.

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justinkal Since: Oct, 2016
#97: Aug 24th 2022 at 11:32:26 AM

You could argue that Ethel and Teach are the mentors, and that's why their classes aren't the best to actually use, but make you learn fantastic skills for using in other classes. Student surpassing the mentor.

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#98: Aug 24th 2022 at 11:53:56 AM

Teach isn't relevant to the story.

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#99: Aug 24th 2022 at 12:03:16 PM

I'd say Zeon fits that mold better, as while Guardian Commander isn't so good at attracting aggro, it provides a master Topple art, which helps in the creation of combo-centric builds. But as mentioned before, he too isn't mandatory.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#100: Aug 24th 2022 at 1:31:09 PM

I guess Riku does fit, but he spends the entire game playing ignorant, so his effects are a bit more muted.

Now I'm imagining Manana also being a secret mentor, but she's just way better at hiding it.


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